true monte, but I really doubt there is a GM who is still employed who completely whiffed on as many 2d and 3d rounders in such a short time span as Ireland. That is really unforgivable, and the shot-in-the-dark lucky signing of Cam Wake doesn't make up for it. 2d and 3d rounders is where smart teams make their living.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> true monte, but I really doubt there is a GM who
> is still employed who completely whiffed on as
> many 2d and 3d rounders in such a short time span
> as Ireland. That is really unforgivable, and the
> shot-in-the-dark lucky signing of Cam Wake doesn't
> make up for it. 2d and 3d rounders is where smart
> teams make their living.

Remember Matt Millen in Detroit?

montequi Wrote:
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> The fact remains that the draft is not an exact
> science. Some guys are ok at it....some are
> terrible. Everyone, even perennially great GMs,
> miss on guys. For me the jury is still out on
> Ireland. I don't think his drafts have been that
> bad. He hasn't made any notoriously bone-headed
> moves like passing on Drew Brees for Jamar
> Fletcher.
>
> For me, my issue with Ireland has been how he cut
> some guys outright who could have contributed,
> like Donald Thomas and Jason Allen. I never saw
> the logic in just cutting those guys.


I am sure the word came from the coaches to cut these guys. I liked them both especially Thomas. I don't blame the GM

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>
> 2 things that phins fans always mess up: (1) we
> did not "pass" on Moss in the true sense of the
> word and (2) we did not "trade" Wes Welker--we
> just tendered him too low and the pats put a
> poison pill in his deal forcing us to make the
> trade (getting us an extra 7th round pick over the
> 2d round tender, as the pats were afraid of
> incurring the league's wrath with the poisen pill
> inclusion). For some reason this bugs me and I
> always need to post a correction.


Yeah it always annoys me when our fans get that stuff wrong.

Almost as much as it annoys me when people use the word "mute" when they mean "moot"...

montequi Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > true monte, but I really doubt there is a GM
> who
> > is still employed who completely whiffed on as
> > many 2d and 3d rounders in such a short time
> span
> > as Ireland. That is really unforgivable, and
> the
> > shot-in-the-dark lucky signing of Cam Wake
> doesn't
> > make up for it. 2d and 3d rounders is where
> smart
> > teams make their living.
>
> Remember Matt Millen in Detroit?


Guess it always comes down to which one you ascribe to him and which you ascribe to his boss.

Either way, I suppose this is the last year that debate will even be necessary.

montequi Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > true monte, but I really doubt there is a GM
> who
> > is still employed who completely whiffed on as
> > many 2d and 3d rounders in such a short time
> span
> > as Ireland. That is really unforgivable, and
> the
> > shot-in-the-dark lucky signing of Cam Wake
> doesn't
> > make up for it. 2d and 3d rounders is where
> smart
> > teams make their living.
>
> Remember Matt Millen in Detroit?

yeah and he got fired

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It is a mute point (elliptical redundancies noted) who drafted who, or for what raison d'être the mythical "long snapper" swims in Dolphin pond. Truth is:

football is a game for carnivores. Most existential citizens of Davie Florida realize 95.8875% of attorneys are intrinsically parasitic and periodically cannibalistic. Present company partially precluded.

Our dear Native American friends (Redskins excluded) would never allow the aforementioned vermin to claim host (or ride shotgun) in their finely appointed leather-clad teepee. And yep. Those folks had a GPS embedded in their brains!

They could play football with coconuts in those days. And of course we all remember Red Grange and Riders of the Purple Sage. But lets never forget Jim Thorpe and everything he did for cosmetic surgery! I mean the dude was scary ugly and that had a lot to do with his high percentage of scoring TD's in hostile territory!

note: ironically "scalping tickets" was a Native American sarcasm perpetrated to scare the crap out of DB's who confused the process with male patterned baldness -- allowing Thorpe to run "free like the wind" through opposing secondary's.

Alas he drove a Mustang and rode into the purple sage with Rosemary (pre-Clooney) and a bag of dreams he swiped at the take-out window of McDonalds. He had bright red hair and his name was Ronald -- but ever oddly so -- he refused the filet of fish because (unlike attorneys) "Dolphins are not cannibalistic!"

True story!

BNF.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> It is a mute point (elliptical redundancies noted)

RESPONSE: Actually the difference between moot and mute is not that variant or great and instead is just one of designation because they both basically mean "silent."

A "moot" point is non-viable or silent because the controversy or dispute it concerns has already been resolved by other events rendering its disposition to be unnecessary and mute as in deaf mute basically means silence itself.

Here come da' Judge.

This is not the Inns of Court, gentlemen. Move on.

Not arguing. Instead trying to make peace, Colonel.

Those comments are very surprising. I think it's chicken shite to talk about a player behind his back, especially to the media.

Wasn't there just a news story about this same topic this year? A higher profile player?

I guess there isn't much of a chance we aren't looking for TE's this year.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

making matters worse, Egnew is who we took with the 3d rounder in the Marshall trade. The other 3d this year comes in a very weak draft, by all accounts. So for a Pro Bowl WR we got a TE who will probably be out of the league next season with zero career catches, and a 3d round pick in a bad draft.

people giving Ireland props for stockpiling picks this year need to think about how he came to stockpile those picks. We traded a 1st round pick (Vontea, picked by ireland) for a 2d round pick. We traded two 2d round picks for two 3d round picks (via the Marshall trade, also acquired by ireland).

Tell you what, I'll give you 100 this year for two 20s and three 10s in 3 years. In 3 years are you going to praise me for my stack of cash??

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > berkeley223 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > true monte, but I really doubt there is a GM
> > who
> > > is still employed who completely whiffed on
> as
> > > many 2d and 3d rounders in such a short time
> > span
> > > as Ireland. That is really unforgivable, and
> > the
> > > shot-in-the-dark lucky signing of Cam Wake
> > doesn't
> > > make up for it. 2d and 3d rounders is where
> > smart
> > > teams make their living.
> >
> > Remember Matt Millen in Detroit?
>
> yeah and he got fired


Sure, but how long did they let him hang around?

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> making matters worse, Egnew is who we took with
> the 3d rounder in the Marshall trade. The other 3d
> this year comes in a very weak draft, by all
> accounts. So for a Pro Bowl WR we got a TE who
> will probably be out of the league next season
> with zero career catches, and a 3d round pick in a
> bad draft.
>
> people giving Ireland props for stockpiling picks
> this year need to think about how he came to
> stockpile those picks. We traded a 1st round pick
> (Vontea, picked by ireland) for a 2d round pick.
> We traded two 2d round picks for two 3d round
> picks (via the Marshall trade, also acquired by
> ireland).
>
> Tell you what, I'll give you 100 this year for two
> 20s and three 10s in 3 years. In 3 years are you
> going to praise me for my stack of cash??


That's a skewed way to look at it.

It doesn't factor in the production we got out of the players.

If you buy a car and drive it everyday for 2 or 3years you aren't selling it for what you originally bought it for.

We spent a late #1 on Davis. Got 3 years of decent starting cb play and a late #2 for a guy who didnt fit our current long term plans.

We traded a pair of 2nds for Marshall who we got two 1,000 yard seasons and a pair of 3rds for after he fell out of favor with the new staff.

Neither one of those deals is an epic win, but neither is a bad deal either.

good point as usual Truth. but my preference is for a GM who gets value out of the players commesurate to (or in excess of) what he spent on them, instead of cutting losses and salvaging what value he can get out of it.

maybe a better analogy is he spent 70k on a used Honda Accord expecting a Fararri, drove it for a few years, then sold it after it performed like a used Honda for just under blue book value.

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Like I said previously in a roundabout way -- no one knows for sure if Egghead is cracked, hardboiled, or we collectively hope -- sunny-side up!

So ipso facto -- the outcome of that there 3rd rounder is yet to be definitively determined. Yea yea... I know most rascals on this board gravitate towards micro-minded narrow-bandwidth OPINIONS pontificated as "fact." But in truth -- there are a lot more assholes than asses.

My opinion. Of course.

You cannot forecast the unknown elements of the future with the undetermined outcomes of today.

But then again -- if Ireland screws this draft up we're in for a mighty bloody hoedown in Davie!

BNF. And drug free.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> BNF. And drug free.
>
>


you sure??

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Some older folks drugs is prune juice.

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> samsam3738 Wrote:
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> > Dolphin alltime tends.....We need to draft
> another
> > mandich. rest in peace.I will even settle for
> the
> > next keith jackson..........
> >
>
> Draft another Mandich you would have to draft a
> Marv Fleming to go w/ him. Great list looks like
> we just never had a prime TE. Hardy was the best
> but I don't think he was ever elected to the Pro
> Bowl.
> Has a phin TE ever gone to the pro bowl?

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I'm not positive, but I believe Keith Jackson went.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> good point as usual Truth. but my preference is
> for a GM who gets value out of the players
> commesurate to (or in excess of) what he spent on
> them, instead of cutting losses and salvaging what
> value he can get out of it.
>
> maybe a better analogy is he spent 70k on a used
> Honda Accord expecting a Fararri, drove it for a
> few years, then sold it after it performed like a
> used Honda for just under blue book value.

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The problem is, IMO, that unless the guy is a superstar, it is extremely difficult to get a 1st rounder in ruturn.