I REFUSED TO BELIEVE that the same Colt team of a year before last which was excellent was, when Peyton went down, the team that went 1-15 or 2-14 last year.

I said they were sucking for Luck.

A lot of the people on this board ridiculed me.

Is it all Luck now?

Looks like they have great defense, line and coverage, great blocking, and great almost everything else.

Looks to me like the team the year before last.

Yeah, they were sucking for Luck.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2012 10:18AM by ChyrenB.

And before someone says "Well they didn't have a quarterback last year" explain the rest of the team. I think they had a competent game manager last year.

So far, Luck is the better QB.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

Aren't you coming back a little SOON, DK???????

We STILL MIGHT win.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Aren't you coming back a little SOON, DK???????
>
> We STILL MIGHT win.

I just saw RT throw two UGLY passes from his own 40, down by 3 with 4minutes left.

If that ain't the alarm clock, I don't know what is.

Like I said, today Luck is the better QB. Much better.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

Oh Well, Indy is a tough place to win. Good Try by the phins.

It was NOT even a good try.

Andy Luck got us with his quick release. Still prefer Montana's impresive passing accuracy skill.

It's obvious why Luck was the #1 pick. He played great!

Sean Smith played about as bad as he could.

Dropping and misplaying easy picks didn't help either.

The D really got lit up again, reminiscent of the Rams game.

Still have one of the weaker secondaries in the league, and most above average QBs will continue to exploit it.

Who cares really. The colts had the balls to do it and let manning walk as well. They rolled the dice and it's worked for them so far. Fortune favors the brave and no other teams, including the pussy managment of the dolphins, would have did what the colts did. Huge risk but looks like a big reward so far.

Probably another 10+ years of an elite franchise qb for them.

I'm not sure I agree with you Chryen about the suck for luck BS, but you make a feasible argument that they were better as a team then their W-L record from last year.

Luck was the #1 pick and is an elite QB. You don't do all the good things he did today by chance. He's extremely talented.

I think we have seen a game similar to the one played years ago between Elway's Broncos and Marino's Dolphins. Broncos lost and Marino looked brilliant. Elway did a nice job. Both you may recall went on to have stellar careers. We may have a two of the top QBs in the league (to be) so we need to keep things in perspective on QB.

Sean Smith is an inconsistent player. Our secondary looked bad because the battle in the trenches was being won by the Colts with Luck's great size and mobility. Little pressure reached Luck and he was able to escape making accurate passing plays on the run.

We are going to see both of these QBs for the next 15 years.

Out defense has got to press to be effective. This crap lining up 10 yards off the ball is not going to work. Very disappointed thise coaching staff cannot figure it out.

no blitzing on 3rd and long..... wow.... amazing

Luck is amazing!

Yeah, Colonel. While it may not have been ALL sucking, I think the level of the play of this year's Colts team is probably at what a scientist would say a "suspicious variance" from last year.

Chyren--One player doesn't usually cause an entire team to become immeasurably better--even and elite QB. Last year was just a "false positive."

colonel Wrote:
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> Chyren--One player doesn't usually cause an entire
> team to become immeasurably better--even and elite
> QB. Last year was just a "false positive."


You are confirming his point... The colts underplayed last year purposefully. This is what he is saying.

I'm restating the obvious in case anyone is unclear

Tannehill also played very well and is going to be a great one too. Defensively we didn't capitalize on their mistakes. With a little "luck" of our own this good have gone the other way.

I am more concerned about the lame play of Jake Long. For weeks now, he has been less than stellar. Today he was just plain awful. His play will not justify a huge contract at the year's end. He is losing money with every sack he gives up.

Oh they definitely sold last year.

Ihatebrady--there's a distinct difference between losing purposely (throwing games) and being fully committed to succeed. When a team's confidence level goes in the crapper it's impossible for the team to succeed. This is more likely what happened to them last year. The bottom line may be the same, they won the big prize. We came up with the consolation prize and at this point--Tannehill is exceeding my expectations being one helluva of great consolation prize.

And with at least HALF the protection Luck got, who knows what HIS figures would have been?

colonel Wrote:
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> Ihatebrady--there's a distinct difference between
> losing purposely (throwing games) and being fully
> committed to succeed. When a team's confidence
> level goes in the crapper it's impossible for the
> team to succeed. This is more likely what happened
> to them last year. The bottom line may be the
> same, they won the big prize. We came up with the
> consolation prize and at this point--Tannehill is
> exceeding my expectations being one helluva of
> great consolation prize.

Again, exactly my point. It's too late to argue or whine about this. Miami could've done the same as Indy but they didn't. They got RT. bottom line. The underlying current is yes Indy may have intentionally tanked some last year because this year's play is not indicative at all of how terrible they were last year, thus confirming the point that no one player can come make that much difference in that short of time... usually!

It happens, not necessarily for devious reasons. The year after we went 1-15 we won the division. It does not necessarily mean that we tanked the season to get Jake. Lots of teams have the #1 pick and make a dramatic improvement the following season.

I truly think Tanny and Luck will be the Marino/elway match up in the future. We have a great qb and like a poster said, played better yesterday, but there will be other great games in the future with these 2 and we will win our fair share of them.

The 2011 Colts were a team that had been built around and carried by Peyton Manning for a decade. They have had a terrible defense for years and won games because PM could score 35-40 points a game week in and week out. They were undersized on defense and mostly run over by opposing teams but once they got the lead teams could not even bother with the run.

And who was this capable game manager? Curtis Painter or Dan Orlovsky?

Are you suggesting that the entire organization had a secret agreement to lose 14 games? This would have to be a conspiracy of epic proportions.

The GM (Bill Polian)...one of the most respected in the game who was on the verge of retirement...is going to tarnish his legacy so he could set the organization up for the next year when he wasn't even going to be there?

He convinced all coaches at every level....and every player to go out there and get their butts kicked week in and week out?

Some/most of these players would not even return the following year to reap the benefits but they are going to risk injury, humiliation & future jobs to play poorly....and they would also have to keep this dark secret after they left to join other teams...or somehow not know it was happening right under their noses?

This team is better because they are a completely different team in 2012. Every coach is new from top to bottom with the exception of one RB coach. They have an OC (now HC) who has developed and taken a rookie QB to a SB victory (Ben R).

They scrapped the small/fast (unreliable) 4-3 defense for a 3-4 scheme. They have a new offense and ST's...and according to many, the best QB prospect to come out of college since John Elway.

Our defense played so poorly yesterday that it made their offensive line look like pro bowlers. They are not as good as we made them look yesterday.

The only returning starters on the line from 2011 are left guard Joe Reitz and left tackle Anthony Castonzo.

They have a new RB and new WR's. Rookies performing well.

They are a new team. There is no way to hide that conspiracy theory in todays media.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Nobody sucked for luck..................the colts were just a bad team....

you mean to tell me players that are playing for a spot on the roster the next year are going to tank the game...

Only an insane mind would believe that.

PS. Coaches are coaching for their jobs as well.

The Colts must be doing something right. They were in position to Draft Elway, Manning and, Luck, all #1 picks. Just a coincidence?

eesti Wrote:
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> The 2011 Colts were a team that had been built
> around and carried by Peyton Manning for a decade.
> They have had a terrible defense for years and won
> games because PM could score 35-40 points a game
> week in and week out. They were undersized on
> defense and mostly run over by opposing teams but
> once they got the lead teams could not even bother
> with the run.
>
> And who was this capable game manager? Curtis
> Painter or Dan Orlovsky?
>
> Are you suggesting that the entire organization
> had a secret agreement to lose 14 games? This
> would have to be a conspiracy of epic
> proportions.
>
> The GM (Bill Polian)...one of the most respected
> in the game who was on the verge of
> retirement...is going to tarnish his legacy so he
> could set the organization up for the next year
> when he wasn't even going to be there?
>
> He convinced all coaches at every level....and
> every player to go out there and get their butts
> kicked week in and week out?
>
> Some/most of these players would not even return
> the following year to reap the benefits but they
> are going to risk injury, humiliation & future
> jobs to play poorly....and they would also have to
> keep this dark secret after they left to join
> other teams...or somehow not know it was happening
> right under their noses?
>
> This team is better because they are a completely
> different team in 2012. Every coach is new from
> top to bottom with the exception of one RB coach.
> They have an OC (now HC) who has developed and
> taken a rookie QB to a SB victory (Ben R).
>
> They scrapped the small/fast (unreliable) 4-3
> defense for a 3-4 scheme. They have a new offense
> and ST's...and according to many, the best QB
> prospect to come out of college since John Elway.
>
> Our defense played so poorly yesterday that it
> made their offensive line look like pro bowlers.
> They are not as good as we made them look
> yesterday.
>
> The only returning starters on the line from 2011
> are left guard Joe Reitz and left tackle Anthony
> Castonzo.
>
> They have a new RB and new WR's. Rookies
> performing well.
>
> They are a new team. There is no way to hide that
> conspiracy theory in todays media.


Way too much common sense for some on this board to get eesti, like Dana White said a few weeks ago about Roy Nelson "you can't fix stupid"

I said they were "in a position," to draft Elway. How lucky does a team have to be to suck so bad that they have the #1 pick when a HOF QB comes to the plate? I'm not claiming conspiracy just amazing coincidence.

Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> I said they were "in a position," to draft Elway.
> How lucky does a team have to be to suck so bad
> that they have the #1 pick when a HOF QB comes to
> the plate? I'm not claiming conspiracy just
> amazing coincidence.

True.....very good fortune for the Colts.....and the Packers

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

luck had a great game but don't lose sight of the fact that he had 3 ints dropped and a td into double coverage that at the very least should have been knocked down if no intercepted.

That pass that smith should have intercepted at the colts 30 was a horrible decision. he hit dansby right on the hands that would have been a pick six.

of the two qbs he made more rookie type throws than tannehill. don't get me wrong, the kid can play but don't get carried away. he had wrs 8-10 yards open all game long. that's what happens when we don't blitz. we give huge cushions in the secondary.

every team we play stacks the box to make our rookie qb beat them. I wish we'd do the same against other rookie or young qbs.