Sign Monroe or Albert
Sign Jon Asamoah
get Dallas Thomas ready to play!
Trade Jonathan martin
sign Brent grimes Lockdown CB
sign Alterran verner lockdown CB
sign Paul Soliai


Draft Eric Ebron, Kelvin Benjamin, or Jace Amaro in the first Big pass catching target in the first

Draft Tre Mason Carlos Hyde, Bishop Sankey, James Wilder or Tyler Gaffney somewhere 2-5

Draft Will Sutton DT Starks replacment

Draft Aaron Murray QB in the 4th Push tannehill

Draft Tre Boston S Safety backup

Draft Cyril Richardson or Brandon Thomas OL with Martin pick

Dream on. We're getting nothing for Martin. Don't have a high enough first rounder for those guys and don't have the$ for grimes and any of the ol u mention. And Dallas Thomas is garbage.

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all of our FAs are off the books so that's already factored into the 30+mm we already have available.

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Sign Monroe or Albert

8-9 mil

> Sign Jon Asamoah

3.5 mil

> get Dallas Thomas ready to play!

ok

> Trade Jonathan martin

7th round pick tops, He is not that good.

> sign Brent grimes Lockdown CB

8-9 mil

> sign Alterran verner lockdown CB

8-9 mil

> sign Paul Soliai

3.5 mil

You are already over the salary cap. You can't sign your rookie class (5 mil)...let alone fill the rest of the roster to replace the other FA's.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

I can no longer invest one neuron calorie or synaptic millivolt contemplating the future of this pathetic franchise until the Ross malignancy is eradicated from Dolphinland.

Other than that. Philbin sucks. And the roster is littered with Ireland's garbage.

Good luck sorting through that pile of crap…

BNF.

I think BigStink just signed off..........

Options.....


Cut Dimitri Patterson. Boost our cap up to almost 39 mil.
Cut Matt Moore or trade him. Boost our cap to 43 mil.
Cut Nate Garner, Boost cap to 44.5 mil
Trade Martin for 7th rounder, boost cap to 46 mil
Cut Jimmy Wilson, boost cap to 47.5 mil

47.5 mil - 5 mil for rookies = 42.5 mil.

Sign Brent Grimes (two years), 34.5 mil cap room still remaining

Sign Eugene Monroe (4 years), 26 cap remainder

Sign Paul Soliai (one year), 23 remainder

Sign Geoff Schwartz (RG), 19.5 remainder

Sign Chris Clemons, 16.5 mil remainder

Sign Travelle Wharton (LG), 12.5 mil remainder (if my math is right)

Call around to the 3-4 defenses to see who needs an ILB and trade Ellerbe. There was much interest last year. This would boost cap back up to 20 mil!!!! SAvings of 7.5 mil. Very unlikely BUT That would give us a shot to do this….

Sign a FS like Jairus Byrd instead of Clemons or…
Sign a TE like Jimmy Graham
Sign a center like Alex Mack and move Pouncey to LG instead of signing Wharton
Sign Grimes and Alterraun Verner

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eesti Wrote:
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> Options.....
>
>
> Cut Dimitri Patterson. Boost our cap up to almost
> 39 mil.
> Cut Matt Moore or trade him. Boost our cap to 43
> mil.
> Cut Nate Garner, Boost cap to 44.5 mil
> Trade Martin for 7th rounder, boost cap to 46 mil
> Cut Jimmy Wilson, boost cap to 47.5 mil
>
> 47.5 mil - 5 mil for rookies = 42.5 mil.
>
> Sign Brent Grimes (two years), 34.5 mil cap room
> still remaining
>
> Sign Eugene Monroe (4 years), 26 cap remainder
>
> Sign Paul Soliai (one year), 23 remainder
>
> Sign Geoff Schwartz (RG), 19.5 remainder
>
> Sign Chris Clemons, 16.5 mil remainder
>
> Sign Travelle Wharton (LG), 12.5 mil remainder (if
> my math is right)
>
> Call around to the 3-4 defenses to see who needs
> an ILB and trade Ellerbe. There was much interest
> last year. This would boost cap back up to 20
> mil!!!! SAvings of 7.5 mil. Very unlikely BUT That
> would give us a shot to do this….
>
> Sign a FS like Jairus Byrd instead of Clemons
> or…
> Sign a TE like Jimmy Graham
> Sign a center like Alex Mack and move Pouncey to
> LG instead of signing Wharton
> Sign Grimes and Alterraun Verner


Not happening bud.

Cutting garner nets only 1.4m.

Dumping martin nets only 350k.

Wilson gets you only 1.39

Cutting or trading Ellerbe gets you only 1.75this year.

Then you have to replace them. Unless you sign undrafted fa's they are all basically revenue neutral moves.

Patterson should get cut. It saves 5.3m which we can use to Re-sign Grimes and carroll.

Moore gets the ax. It saves 4m. Half of that gets used for a back up qb. Net is 2m savings.

That's 7.8m...to add to our current cap space.
Or roughly enough to sign Grimes.

We have around 36m in cap space after cutting Moore and Patterson and signing Grimes.

6m of that is for draft picks. That leaves 30.m.

8+ for Albert or Monroe at LT leaves 21+.

Lg...5m

Alex Mack 6m move Pouncey to OG.

3m for a RT like Clabo.

That gives you 5 starters on ol with a few backups. You draft two more.

Now you have 7 to 10 mill (if you structure the contracts correctly) to re-sign soliai, Nolan Carroll, a RB, and maybe a fs.

Draft a TE early, a young DT and a few ol to develop... And that's your 2014 roster.

I would trade

Pouncey - SF 3rd rnd (if i were GM he would be gone too)
Thomas - DEN 5tg rnd pick (always thought he would fit in CHI or DEN)
Martin - IND 7th rnd pick

F/A signings

C - Mack The guy I am rolling the checkbook out for
G - Schwartz
G - Wade Smith
T - Clabo - Think he would be steadier on this line
CB - Grimes
DT - T McCoy

Not coming back
Jerry
Incog
Moore
Starks (that hurts)
Soliai
Patterson (would leave the door open)
Clemons


Draft

1. Martin OT N Dame
2. Donald DT Pitt
3 Reynolds FS Stanford - Tall #2 rated FS in the draft
3 Sutton DT AZ State - 315 lbs and can find the qb
4 Baptise CB NE - Tall cb
5 Tripp ILB Montana
5 Turner OT N Dakota State - noticed him in fbs championship
6 Mathews QB Cornell
7 Grant WR Tulane - good speed. Drops passes otherwise rated as hi as second rnd.

2014 Starting Oline:
C Mack
G Schwartz
G Smith
T Clabo
T Martin

reserves:
Thomas
Turner
open

T Mack Donald and Sutton would be the new DT rotation w/ Odrick. The 2 rookies are high energy beasts.

there will be some quality vets available with cap cuts coming.

Esti's our capolologist We are already over $30M and cutting patterson gets us another $5m Its doable, whether they would come here now is a bigger challenge.

Discussion of whether we resign grimes at his age or go with a younger Verner or Shields . He will get 2 years max . if he wants more we could franchise him for a year

If we don't take a TE or Benjamin the Pats, niners or Seahawks will will

trade a pro bowl center like pouncy for a 3d round pick? that would be horrible. so we probably will do it.

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I would trade'm for a six pack, he would be gone. Overrated not a good defense caller. A primary reason why our line stinks. Good individual talent that does not make those around him better and a center should do that.

Moves like that is why our team continues to suck

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> Not happening bud.
>
> Cutting garner nets only 1.4m.

Right

>
> Dumping martin nets only 350k.

I said trade so that clears his salary of almost 825k. New team picks up contract. We just pick up remainder of prorated bonus.

>
> Wilson gets you only 1.39

Right (I was rounding)

>
> Cutting or trading Ellerbe gets you only 1.75this
> year.

I didn't say cut. I said trade. What am I missing? Wouldn't the new team take on the contract and cap hit? We should only be on the hook for 1.4 mil prorated bonus that was already paid. Knock a little less than I stated...only 6 mil savings.
>
> Then you have to replace them. Unless you sign
> undrafted fa's they are all basically revenue
> neutral moves.

I know. We've been through this. I think there are better options out there for backup players like Garner that will come cheaper. The guy got benched. First off you actually have to find quality players and not pay 1.5 mil for below average. There are starters around the league that make less.

Replacing Ellerbe....We still have Misi, Jenkins, Wheeler and Jordan and could have to draft a LB'er in the first 2 or 3 rounds.

>
> Patterson should get cut. It saves 5.3m which
> we can use to Re-sign Grimes and carroll.

Actually 5.4 mil cap hit this year but that is basically what I said.

>
> Moore gets the ax. It saves 4m. Half of that
> gets used for a back up qb. Net is 2m savings.

We still have a QB in Pat Devlin and can pick up another BUT not for 2 mil. Devlin moves to 2nd and we grab a competition guy. This is an "all in" plan to save jobs. We lose Tannehill and the season (and Philbin) is lost anyway.

>
> That's 7.8m...to add to our current cap space.
> Or roughly enough to sign Grimes.

Reported 2014 cap is 130 mil and we have 36 mil in cap space to start with BEFORE any cuts.

>
> We have around 36m in cap space after cutting
> Moore and Patterson and signing Grimes.

Check numbers....

>
> 6m of that is for draft picks. That leaves 30.m.

Could be closer to 5 but ok. We were allotted 7.8 mil but had many high picks. We won't be allotted that much this year.

>
>
> 8+ for Albert or Monroe at LT leaves 21+.
>
> Lg...5m
>
> Alex Mack 6m move Pouncey to OG.
>
> 3m for a RT like Clabo.
>
> That gives you 5 starters on ol with a few
> backups. You draft two more.
>
> Now you have 7 to 10 mill (if you structure the
> contracts correctly) to re-sign soliai, Nolan
> Carroll, a RB, and maybe a fs.
>
> Draft a TE early, a young DT and a few ol to
> develop... And that's your 2014 roster.

TE is a luxury when we have needs for starters.

38 mil plus...another 18.3 for cutting/trading the players I suggested puts us around 56.3 mil.

Ellerbe 6
Moore 4
Garner 1.5
Wilson 1.4
Patterson 5.4

Like I said in my original post. Getting rid of Ellerbe is a LONG SHOT and improbable but not impossible. That is the luxury that lets us go after another top FA. Even without Ellerbe, we are at 50 mil.

The plan is a gamble for sure based on the premise that someone can find better players than Ireland stuck on this roster for years.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> Moves like that is why our team continues to suck

Nope by not making bold moves like cutting cancers and characters like him are why we suck. You need leaders and people who are dedicated to do what it takes to become champions. This guy is talented but appears to be more dedicated to being a horses ***. Time to clean house and build an oline. We sucked w/ him so I would have no issue seeing what we could do w/ out him.

If I were GM he would be gone.

out of all of pending free agents the only one that i'd be agressive in resigning is grimes. he was a difference maker.

the others not so much. starks and solia...meh. draft a DT that can collapse the pocket.

clemmons...gonzo. average with horrible ball skills. get a ball hawking fs.

carroll...maybe to a cheap 3 yr deal for depth.

breaking the bank to re-sign guys that in the last 3 years got you to 8-8 isn't the recipe for success.

until this roster is purged of the ireland stench we'll be a mediocre team. 15 of 'em can be purged this year alone. re-sign the one bright spot...grimes.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Moves like that is why our team continues to
> suck
>
> Nope by not making bold moves like cutting cancers
> and characters like him are why we suck. You need
> leaders and people who are dedicated to do what it
> takes to become champions. This guy is talented
> but appears to be more dedicated to being a horses
> ***. Time to clean house and build an oline. We
> sucked w/ him so I would have no issue seeing what
> we could do w/ out him.
>
> If I were GM he would be gone.


Could not disagree more. Good teams work with their talented players and get the most out of them and try to get them to straighten up and fly right. Look what the pats got out of Randy Moss. Bad teams (like us) say "this guy is not a fit, he is a problem" and then dump their good players at their lowest value for pennies on the dollar and watch them tear it up for another team (e.g. B Marshall, I would even put Vontea in that category, he was very good for Indy last year).

We have maybe 5 good players on this team--Pouncy is one of them. Don't dump him for a mid round pick when he value is at his lowest point. If Philbin was any kind of coach he'd grab the guy and make him understand this is his last chance and if he doesn't want to blow is NFL career he needs to be on his best behavior from here on out.

Again, your approach is totally why this team is in the mess it is in. We dump "problems" like Vontae, Marshall, Dansby, R Bush (viewed as too vocal) and are forced to draft busts to replace them at CB, way overpay for a receiver like Wallace, and have no starting RB on the team. I guess if you had your way we'd dump our pro bowl Center too and hope we "hit" on that 3d round replacement. No thanks.

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eesti Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Not happening bud.
> >
> > Cutting garner nets only 1.4m.
>
> Right
>
> >
> > Dumping martin nets only 350k.
>
> I said trade so that clears his salary of almost
> 825k. New team picks up contract. We just pick up
> remainder of prorated bonus.
>
> >
> > Wilson gets you only 1.39
>
> Right (I was rounding)
>
> >
> > Cutting or trading Ellerbe gets you only
> 1.75this
> > year.
>
> I didn't say cut. I said trade. What am I missing?
> Wouldn't the new team take on the contract and cap
> hit? We should only be on the hook for 1.4 mil
> prorated bonus that was already paid. Knock a
> little less than I stated...only 6 mil savings.
> >
> > Then you have to replace them. Unless you
> sign
> > undrafted fa's they are all basically revenue
> > neutral moves.
>
> I know. We've been through this. I think there are
> better options out there for backup players like
> Garner that will come cheaper. The guy got
> benched. First off you actually have to find
> quality players and not pay 1.5 mil for below
> average. There are starters around the league that
> make less.
>
> Replacing Ellerbe....We still have Misi, Jenkins,
> Wheeler and Jordan and could have to draft a LB'er
> in the first 2 or 3 rounds.
>
> >
> > Patterson should get cut. It saves 5.3m
> which
> > we can use to Re-sign Grimes and carroll.
>
> Actually 5.4 mil cap hit this year but that is
> basically what I said.
>
> >
> > Moore gets the ax. It saves 4m. Half of that
> > gets used for a back up qb. Net is 2m savings.
>
>
> We still have a QB in Pat Devlin and can pick up
> another BUT not for 2 mil. Devlin moves to 2nd and
> we grab a competition guy. This is an "all in"
> plan to save jobs. We lose Tannehill and the
> season (and Philbin) is lost anyway.
>
> >
> > That's 7.8m...to add to our current cap space.
>
> > Or roughly enough to sign Grimes.
>
> Reported 2014 cap is 130 mil and we have 36 mil in
> cap space to start with BEFORE any cuts.
>
> >
> > We have around 36m in cap space after cutting
> > Moore and Patterson and signing Grimes.
>
> Check numbers....
>
> >
> > 6m of that is for draft picks. That leaves
> 30.m.
>
> Could be closer to 5 but ok. We were allotted 7.8
> mil but had many high picks. We won't be allotted
> that much this year.
>
> >
> >
> > 8+ for Albert or Monroe at LT leaves 21+.
> >
> > Lg...5m
> >
> > Alex Mack 6m move Pouncey to OG.
> >
> > 3m for a RT like Clabo.
> >
> > That gives you 5 starters on ol with a few
> > backups. You draft two more.
> >
> > Now you have 7 to 10 mill (if you structure the
> > contracts correctly) to re-sign soliai, Nolan
> > Carroll, a RB, and maybe a fs.
> >
> > Draft a TE early, a young DT and a few ol to
> > develop... And that's your 2014 roster.
>
> TE is a luxury when we have needs for starters.
>
> 38 mil plus...another 18.3 for cutting/trading the
> players I suggested puts us around 56.3 mil.
>
> Ellerbe 6
> Moore 4
> Garner 1.5
> Wilson 1.4
> Patterson 5.4
>
> Like I said in my original post. Getting rid of
> Ellerbe is a LONG SHOT and improbable but not
> impossible. That is the luxury that lets us go
> after another top FA. Even without Ellerbe, we are
> at 50 mil.
>
> The plan is a gamble for sure based on the premise
> that someone can find better players than Ireland
> stuck on this roster for years.

Cutting or trading a guy is the same thing.

Once he's off your roster
You accelerate all to prorated bonus you've paid to this year.

If a guy has a base of 4m this year and next and the prorated portion of his bonus is 1m this year and next, his cap number each year is 5m.

If you trade or cut him today then you don't owe him the base. But you have to accelerate all the bonus money to this year.

So in this scenario this player had a 5m cap hit, unloading him means $2m cap his so you net only 3m. Then you have to fill the spot.

Mike Mayock said picking around 19-20 in 2014 is like having a top 10 pick most years.

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No its not u see I did not see any of those guys as problems. They had quirks that could have been worked out or even could have lived with. They were not hurting or holding back their positional teammates. Pouncey and company were. We now see where the real problem was and why that unit stunk. You see if I watched guys like Bush, Long, Dansby, Fasano and Carey walk out the door. I would have no problem showing Pouncey the door.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > THE Truth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Not happening bud.
> > >
> > > Cutting garner nets only 1.4m.
> >
> > Right
> >
> > >
> > > Dumping martin nets only 350k.
> >
> > I said trade so that clears his salary of
> almost
> > 825k. New team picks up contract. We just pick
> up
> > remainder of prorated bonus.
> >
> > >
> > > Wilson gets you only 1.39
> >
> > Right (I was rounding)
> >
> > >
> > > Cutting or trading Ellerbe gets you only
> > 1.75this
> > > year.
> >
> > I didn't say cut. I said trade. What am I
> missing?
> > Wouldn't the new team take on the contract and
> cap
> > hit? We should only be on the hook for 1.4 mil
> > prorated bonus that was already paid. Knock a
> > little less than I stated...only 6 mil savings.
> > >
> > > Then you have to replace them. Unless you
> > sign
> > > undrafted fa's they are all basically revenue
> > > neutral moves.
> >
> > I know. We've been through this. I think there
> are
> > better options out there for backup players
> like
> > Garner that will come cheaper. The guy got
> > benched. First off you actually have to find
> > quality players and not pay 1.5 mil for below
> > average. There are starters around the league
> that
> > make less.
> >
> > Replacing Ellerbe....We still have Misi,
> Jenkins,
> > Wheeler and Jordan and could have to draft a
> LB'er
> > in the first 2 or 3 rounds.
> >
> > >
> > > Patterson should get cut. It saves 5.3m
> > which
> > > we can use to Re-sign Grimes and carroll.
> >
> > Actually 5.4 mil cap hit this year but that is
> > basically what I said.
> >
> > >
> > > Moore gets the ax. It saves 4m. Half of
> that
> > > gets used for a back up qb. Net is 2m
> savings.
> >
> >
> > We still have a QB in Pat Devlin and can pick
> up
> > another BUT not for 2 mil. Devlin moves to 2nd
> and
> > we grab a competition guy. This is an "all in"
> > plan to save jobs. We lose Tannehill and the
> > season (and Philbin) is lost anyway.
> >
> > >
> > > That's 7.8m...to add to our current cap space.
>
> >
> > > Or roughly enough to sign Grimes.
> >
> > Reported 2014 cap is 130 mil and we have 36 mil
> in
> > cap space to start with BEFORE any cuts.
> >
> > >
> > > We have around 36m in cap space after cutting
> > > Moore and Patterson and signing Grimes.
> >
> > Check numbers....
> >
> > >
> > > 6m of that is for draft picks. That leaves
> > 30.m.
> >
> > Could be closer to 5 but ok. We were allotted
> 7.8
> > mil but had many high picks. We won't be
> allotted
> > that much this year.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > 8+ for Albert or Monroe at LT leaves 21+.
> > >
> > > Lg...5m
> > >
> > > Alex Mack 6m move Pouncey to OG.
> > >
> > > 3m for a RT like Clabo.
> > >
> > > That gives you 5 starters on ol with a few
> > > backups. You draft two more.
> > >
> > > Now you have 7 to 10 mill (if you structure
> the
> > > contracts correctly) to re-sign soliai, Nolan
> > > Carroll, a RB, and maybe a fs.
> > >
> > > Draft a TE early, a young DT and a few ol to
> > > develop... And that's your 2014 roster.
> >
> > TE is a luxury when we have needs for starters.
> >
> > 38 mil plus...another 18.3 for cutting/trading
> the
> > players I suggested puts us around 56.3 mil.
> >
> > Ellerbe 6
> > Moore 4
> > Garner 1.5
> > Wilson 1.4
> > Patterson 5.4
> >
> > Like I said in my original post. Getting rid of
> > Ellerbe is a LONG SHOT and improbable but not
> > impossible. That is the luxury that lets us go
> > after another top FA. Even without Ellerbe, we
> are
> > at 50 mil.
> >
> > The plan is a gamble for sure based on the
> premise
> > that someone can find better players than
> Ireland
> > stuck on this roster for years.
>
> Cutting or trading a guy is the same thing.
>
> Once he's off your roster
> You accelerate all to prorated bonus you've paid
> to this year.
>
> If a guy has a base of 4m this year and next and
> the prorated portion of his bonus is 1m this year
> and next, his cap number each year is 5m.
>
> If you trade or cut him today then you don't owe
> him the base. But you have to accelerate all the
> bonus money to this year.
>
> So in this scenario this player had a 5m cap hit,
> unloading him means $2m cap his so you net only
> 3m. Then you have to fill the spot.


So ellerbe makes 6m base this year and 1.425m in prorated bonus each of the next 4 years.

His cap number this year is 6m + 1.425m = 7.425

You dump him and you eat 1.425m x 4 = 5.7m

His cap number this year is 7.425m... Minus the accelerated cap hit of 5.7m nets you 1.725m if you part ways with him this year.

If I'm the HC or GM, I am sitting Pouncey down for a serious talk. I would talk about the issues in the report. The insinuated drug use, misbehavior, lifestyle etc.

He only played poorly in 3 games this year against top DT's.

How good would he have been if he was more dedicated and concentrated on football as much as his social life? Much more so IMO. He is only 24 years old.

He was pushed into the role of a follower because when he came into the league he had morons like Incognito and Jerry as mentors and not much in the way of coaching.

He still has a chance to be a grown up. He can still be elite.

I basically tell him...you've got one more shot. You want to stay in beautiful Florida with your friends or do you want me to trade you to Detroit? Act like a pro. Stop the nonsense. Get serious about your career! Hang with the right people. Stay away from Incognito! Be a man. Be a leader. Not a follower! Stay off the drugs!

The locker room tomfoolery is over.

We didn't invest all that we have (#15 pick) into him just to trade him for a 3rd round pick! Put the ball in his court.

No I would surround him with character players like Geoff Schwarz, Eugene Monroe and Zach Martin.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Overall the best rebuilding idea is to start from scratch.


Clean house and get rid of every coach and player and do like the browns did when they became the ravens.

For gods sake the ravens won the superbowl when they converted from the browns to the ravens.

And we keep up with this mess.

I hope everything could get corrected ASAP. But i just do not see it.

Nope he's gone in my world would rather have Mack.

I like my line:
2014 Starting Oline:
C Mack
G Schwartz
G Smith
T Clabo
T Martin

5 guys ready to go, no head cases. Clabo is a proffesional I think he would respond positively now that the distractions are gone.

Mack at 7-8 mil or Pouncey at 2.9 mil = Pouncey

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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Overall the best rebuilding idea is to start from
> scratch.
>
>
> Clean house and get rid of every coach and player
> and do like the browns did when they became the
> ravens.
>
> For gods sake the ravens won the superbowl when
> they converted from the browns to the ravens.
>
> And we keep up with this mess.
>
> I hope everything could get corrected ASAP. But i
> just do not see it.


Except the "new" Ravens were the old Browns and DID NOT clean house. They carried over....

Vinnie Testeverde, Leroy Hoard, Ernest Byner, Andre Rison, Keenan McCardell, Michael (eee-hee) Jackson, Pepper Johnson, Rob Burnett, Carl Banks, Orlando Brown, Bob Dahl, Steve Everitt and Matt Stover...just to name a few.

And then they drafted Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis in the first round.

The "new" Browns were the expansion team and started from scratch and how have they done? Next theory please!

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eesti Wrote:
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> Mack at 7-8 mil or Pouncey at 2.9 mil = Pouncey

I like my oline
C Mack
G Schwartz
G Smith
T Clabo
T Martin

You gotta pay somebody and I would pay a guy like Mack to anchor and solidify my oline.

Extra 3rd pick allows us to pick up a good DT. So we don't have to overpay Soliai and allow Starks to go.