It "terrifies" you? Wow! Get a life!

Rick

Some people are always looking for a conspiracy where none exists. I think its clear why Ireland hired Sherman and Philbin. Sherman was Tannehill's coach in college, its true and that may have been part of the consideration, but he was a head coach in the NFL prior to that and so a viable candidate for a position here in his own right. Philbin? Because he was obviously a good and experienced football man.

Rick

Ireland drafted second round talent in the first round, and now everyone gives him a pass.

This is why the team can barely stay above .500.

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DolfanKing Wrote:
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> Ireland drafted second round talent in the first
> round, and now everyone gives him a pass.
>
> This is why the team can barely stay above .500.


LMAO

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
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> > Ireland drafted second round talent in the
> first
> > round, and now everyone gives him a pass.
> >
> > This is why the team can barely stay above
> .500.
>
>
> LMAO

That is real funny. What I meant to say is that Ireland is the reason this team can't break .500.

Seriously, can you remember the last time this team was above .500.

Talk about delusional.

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I don'think some nerd's fan blog saying "chargers need to trade for jake long" is evidence that a trade is brewing.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Never said it was? It was a question...hence the QUESTION MARK.

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no to long trade. trading the team leader in the middle of this season sends the entirely wrong message. plus who would give value for him given that he is a fa this offseason?

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Not saying the Chargers would do it or that the Phins should do it, but they were the ones who gave us a 2nd for Chambers mid-season, who (sadly) was barely heard from again thereafter.

Larry Fitzgerald to the Phins? Hell yea.

(Note, because I used a question mark, it doesn't mean it will happen...)

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LOL

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

First off. You need to have some reading comprehension skills. Secondly, you need to actually read the article. It's not too hard to figure out they were not quoting anyone or even suggesting it was a rumor. That's why I posted the link.

Glad you think DFK is so funny. You must be the only one on this entire site who does. He could use a friend.

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Ireland is the enemy because Tannehill sucks.

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Ireland is the enemy because Tannehill sucks.


Ireland sucks because this team hasn't been above .500 since he took over.

Tannehill will not solve this team's problems. Not even close.

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DolfanKing Wrote:
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> Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> > Ireland is the enemy because Tannehill sucks.
>
>
> Ireland sucks because this team hasn't been above
> .500 since he took over.
>
> Tannehill will not solve this team's problems.
> Not even close.

Wait. Weren't we 11-5 a few years ago under Ireland? What will you have to say if we break .500 this season?

montequi Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
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> > Aqua&Orange Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ireland is the enemy because Tannehill sucks.
> >
> >
> > Ireland sucks because this team hasn't been
> above
> > .500 since he took over.
> >
> > Tannehill will not solve this team's problems.
> > Not even close.
>
> Wait. Weren't we 11-5 a few years ago under
> Ireland?

That was Parcells.

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Ireland was the GM when we went 11-5, he gets credit for it, even if Parcells was the VP... That is why I dont get guessing who drafted who and all of that... Ireland was and is the GM, personel moves that happened under his watch as GM for better or worse are on him, accountabilty is the only way to roll IMO..

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Ireland still scares me what he is going to do with our two 2nd rd picks and two 3rd picks... He hasnt exaclty shined in those rounds...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Ireland was the GM when we went 11-5, he gets
> credit for it, even if Parcells was the VP... That
> is why I dont get guessing who drafted who and all
> of that... Ireland was and is the GM, personel
> moves that happened under his watch as GM for
> better or worse are on him, accountabilty is the
> only way to roll IMO..


I don't really count Irland as the guy who controlled the team's personell selection while Parcells was around.

Even if you say he was the GM in the 11-5 season, then you could say he did little to build on that, and has been responsible for the team's decline.

I don't think Ireland is responsible for a decline though. I think that 11-5 season, while nice, was inflated by an easy schedule and Chad Pennington playing lights out. Realistically that team should have been 8-8.

I think that Bill/Ireland brought us to an around .500 team and just stopped. They moved us from a below average roster to an average roster. But neither knows how to pick in the first or second rounds. My biggest complaint about both GMs is that they pick talent at a round lower than they should. That strategy is good one to build an average team, because they effectively get the best player in the second round by picking them in the first round, best in the third by picking them in the second, ect. The problem is they miss out on the "top end" picks which really is the difference between .500 and something better.

Tony Sparano didn't help either.

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eesti Wrote:
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> First off. You need to have some reading
> comprehension skills. Secondly, you need to
> actually read the article. It's not too hard to
> figure out they were not quoting anyone or even
> suggesting it was a rumor. That's why I posted the
> link.
>
> Glad you think DFK is so funny. You must be the
> only one on this entire site who does. He could
> use a friend.

Just laugh at his stupidity. There is just no way you can take this guy serious.

Yep, this class is looking good but as the saying goes, you have to take the good with the bad.

Ireland's drafts started in 2008, not 2012.

Don't get me wrong. Ireland has me scratching my head at times.

Going into the season with no CB's?

No trades before the deadline when we are capable of winning this year and making a playoff push.

How much better would Tannehill be with the way Brandon Marshall is playing right now? Our 3rd round pick better be a damn good one.

He is not so good that I can't second guess him. His ego may bite him in the ass at some point.

Did he have too much confidence in Coyle's track record with elevating DB's?

....Philbins statement that he doesn't need a #1 WR?

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eesti Wrote:
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> Don't get me wrong. Ireland has me scratching my
> head at times.


I Agree. But those I think those instances are happening less and less frequently.


>
> >Going into the season with no CB's?


It worked out that way now, , I think the plan was to go into the season with Smith, Davis, Marshall and Carroll as our top 4 which wouldn't have been bad at all...at least on paper.

Then Davis played himself into the dog house and Indy gave us an "offer you can't refuse for him. At that point you are long past the draft or the part of free agency where you can address the need for a front line CB.


>
> No trades before the deadline when we are capable
> of winning this year and making a playoff push.


There are rarely any trades in the NFL made before the deadline. It's not like baseball. Even so, which one(s) should we have pulled the trigger on?


>
> How much better would Tannehill be with the way
> Brandon Marshall is playing right now? Our 3rd
> round pick better be a damn good one.


This is a tough one for me. I think you are clearly right that on the field Marshall likely would be a bigger asset than the picks we got for him. But its hard for me also to disagree with Philbin's desire to have character guys, not characters. Seems to be working so far.


>
> He is not so good that I can't second guess him.
> His ego may bite him in the ass at some point.

Very true.

>
> Did he have too much confidence in Coyle's track
> record with elevating DB's?

I don't think so. Carroll has clearly stepped up his game. So has Jimmy Wilson, Reshard Jones and Clemons (to a degree).




>
> ....Philbins statement that he doesn't need a #1
> WR?

Not sure what your issue is with that statement. Its true. His system doesn't need an Alpha WR to be good. As he's said, he needs 5 guys that know where to be, that can catch and can run after the catch.

Problem for us is that right now we don't have either the Alpha WR or a group of 4-5 WR's that fit his profile. With all the picks we have, wth all the money we have, and with the aptitude this staff has shown for developing talent, there is every reason to expect that next year Philbin will have the WR's he needs for his offense.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't get me wrong. Ireland has me scratching
> my
> > head at times.>
>
> I Agree. But those I think those instances are
> happening less and less frequently.

Agreed. I am normally one of his biggest supporters.

> > >Going into the season with no CB's?
>
>
> It worked out that way now, , I think the plan was
> to go into the season with Smith, Davis, Marshall
> and Carroll as our top 4 which wouldn't have been
> bad at all...at least on paper.
>
> Then Davis played himself into the dog house and
> Indy gave us an "offer you can't refuse for him.
> At that point you are long past the draft or the
> part of free agency where you can address the need
> for a front line CB.

I don't fault him for trading the man child. I just think you have to do something to field a better secondary. Just depending on guys to step up isn't enough to replace a former 1st round pick. Marshall was never the answer. We were just as bad with him as without him as the stats show.

> > No trades before the deadline when we are
> capable
> > of winning this year and making a playoff push.
>
>
> There are rarely any trades in the NFL made before
> the deadline. It's not like baseball. Even so,
> which one(s) should we have pulled the trigger
> on?

Ireland has made one just about every year. It's just this year we were selling instead of buying.

I think you have to get creative. For example: We weren't marketing VD (lol) as being "on the market" but the Colts made a call to inquire anyway. We ended up stocking up draft picks for next year and invested nothing as a return for this year. I'm sure there we players out there that could have improved our 30th ranked secondary.

> > How much better would Tannehill be with the way
> > Brandon Marshall is playing right now? Our 3rd
> > round pick better be a damn good one.
>
>
> This is a tough one for me. I think you are
> clearly right that on the field Marshall likely
> would be a bigger asset than the picks we got for
> him. But its hard for me also to disagree with
> Philbin's desire to have character guys, not
> characters. Seems to be working so far.

True. But he didn't do anything to replace him even though he was traded before the 2012 draft. A 6th rounder? That's a long shot.

> > He is not so good that I can't second guess
> him.
> > His ego may bite him in the ass at some point.
>
> Very true.
>
> >
> > Did he have too much confidence in Coyle's
> track
> > record with elevating DB's?
>
> I don't think so. Carroll has clearly stepped up
> his game. So has Jimmy Wilson, Reshard Jones and
> Clemons (to a degree).

We still have the 3rd to worst secondary in the league. How much could they have stepped up? We were ranked 25th last year.

> > ....Philbins statement that he doesn't need a
> #1
> > WR?
>
> Not sure what your issue is with that statement.
> Its true. His system doesn't need an Alpha WR to
> be good. As he's said, he needs 5 guys that know
> where to be, that can catch and can run after the
> catch.

This has yet to be proved. They have two WR's in GB that could start for just about anyone. Philbin says a lot of things in a political manner. What is he going to say to reporters and not offend our current WR's?

I think too much is made of this statement. This offense may not need a number one "go-to" option because of the way it's designed but things will never be consistent unless we have that guy that draws constant double teams. You double Hartline and 50% of the time he is getting shut down.

>
> Problem for us is that right now we don't have
> either the Alpha WR or a group of 4-5 WR's that
> fit his profile. With all the picks we have, wth
> all the money we have, and with the aptitude this
> staff has shown for developing talent, there is
> every reason to expect that next year Philbin will
> have the WR's he needs for his offense.

That's sort of my point. We are in contention this year...or were. Try selling tickets this year with that "next year" philosphy. Fans having been hearing that for 10 years...plus I'm impatient.

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eesti Wrote:
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>
> I don't fault him for trading the man child. I
> just think you have to do something to field a
> better secondary. Just depending on guys to step
> up isn't enough to replace a former 1st round
> pick. Marshall was never the answer. We were just
> as bad with him as without him as the stats show.


But do what? They came out of the offseason with Marshall as their Nickle. By the time they traded Davis there were no options to replace him with. They've picked through the trash to see if they get lucky but the only guy I can think of who got dealt since Davis was traded is Talib and he's got more baggage than Davis did.

You can't fix everything in the same season. Especially when you create that need just before the season starts.


>

> >
> > There are rarely any trades in the NFL made
> before
> > the deadline. It's not like baseball. Even
> so,
> > which one(s) should we have pulled the trigger
> > on?


>
> Ireland has made one just about every year. It's
> just this year we were selling instead of buying.


Actually we are usually selling. Ireland isn't a big fan of trading picks.


>
> I think you have to get creative. For example: We
> weren't marketing VD (lol) as being "on the
> market" but the Colts made a call to inquire
> anyway. We ended up stocking up draft picks for
> next year and invested nothing as a return for
> this year. I'm sure there we players out there
> that could have improved our 30th ranked
> secondary.

Who? It takes two teams to make a trade.

Who is the guy we could have gotten that would be worth the price we pay AND would be a difference maker on the field? Talib? No thanks, I'll pass.

Maybe you are right and there was a deal out there to be made in the last 2 weeks that we should have...but without knowing what it was, its difficult to be critical of not having made that move.

Ireland has a very good trade history. He's made some real good ones...Davis, Bush, got value for Marshall. He's made some great decisions to pass on others...like Kyle Orton.



>
> > > How much better would Tannehill be with the
> way
> > > Brandon Marshall is playing right now? Our
> 3rd
> > > round pick better be a damn good one.
> >
> >
> > This is a tough one for me. I think you are
> > clearly right that on the field Marshall likely
> > would be a bigger asset than the picks we got
> for
> > him. But its hard for me also to disagree with
> > Philbin's desire to have character guys, not
> > characters. Seems to be working so far.



>
> True. But he didn't do anything to replace him
> even though he was traded before the 2012 draft. A
> 6th rounder? That's a long shot.


True...but you can't fill every hole on a 5-11 team in one draft and one off-season where you have little cap room.

We could have taken Ruben Randle over Martin, but then we'd have a hole at RT and no viable replacement for Jake Long at LT if he leaves this off-season. We could have taken Hilton over Egnew but we had a need at TE just as bad as WR.


>
> > > He is not so good that I can't second guess
> > him.
> > > His ego may bite him in the ass at some
> point.
> >
> > Very true.
> >
> > >
> > > Did he have too much confidence in Coyle's
> > track
> > > record with elevating DB's?
> >
> > I don't think so. Carroll has clearly stepped
> up
> > his game. So has Jimmy Wilson, Reshard Jones
> and
> > Clemons (to a degree).
>
> We still have the 3rd to worst secondary in the
> league. How much could they have stepped up? We
> were ranked 25th last year.


Coyle's been here for 9 games. He's got a secondary with a gaping hole at CB and young, developing safeties. Its a work in progress. But the fact that he doesn't have all the pieces he needs doesn't mean some of those younger players haven't shown marked improvement under his tutelage.


>
> > > ....Philbins statement that he doesn't need a
> > #1
> > > WR?
> >
> > Not sure what your issue is with that statement.
>
> > Its true. His system doesn't need an Alpha WR
> to
> > be good. As he's said, he needs 5 guys that
> know
> > where to be, that can catch and can run after
> the
> > catch.
>
> This has yet to be proved. They have two WR's in
> GB that could start for just about anyone. Philbin
> says a lot of things in a political manner. What
> is he going to say to reporters and not offend our
> current WR's?
>
> I think too much is made of this statement. This
> offense may not need a number one "go-to" option
> because of the way it's designed but things will
> never be consistent unless we have that guy that
> draws constant double teams. You double Hartline
> and 50% of the time he is getting shut down.



Actually, it is proven. Neither Jennings or Nelson was drafted as an Alpa WR. They developed into possible #1's in this system...just as Randall Cobb is doing.

None of those guys has left and had #1 type success in another system. They have all developed as a result of it.

Jennings has missed most of the season so far if not all of it. That hasn't kept their offense from developing other guys or getting lots of production out of the 3rd 4th and 5th WR's.

That's what Philbin is talking about. This west coast system doesn't rely on one guy to be great. It creates opportunities for smart WR's with a certain skillset to be extremely productive.

Of course it also requires an accurate passer, but I think we finally have that covered.





>
> >
> > Problem for us is that right now we don't have
> > either the Alpha WR or a group of 4-5 WR's that
> > fit his profile. With all the picks we have,
> wth
> > all the money we have, and with the aptitude
> this
> > staff has shown for developing talent, there is
> > every reason to expect that next year Philbin
> will
> > have the WR's he needs for his offense.


>
> That's sort of my point. We are in contention this
> year...or were. Try selling tickets this year with
> that "next year" philosphy. Fans having been
> hearing that for 10 years...plus I'm impatient.


In contention for what? the last wildcard spot?

You want to give up a high pick for a rental player or gamble on someone elses headache for a post season spot this year?

I guess....but that seems to me like sacrificing the long term plan for a short term, meaningless gain.

If we were a complete team with one glaring need at WR or CB to make a title run then I'd agree with taking a shot.


But we aren't.

Ireland is an awful GM.

I see a lot of apologies, but just look at reality. The only reason why this team is any better is because of the coaching staff. And this coach wasn't Ireland's first or second choice.

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