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Who would you rather sign as a FA?

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22 votes were received.

Greg Jennings	11		50%
Mike Wallace	5		23%
Dwayne Bowe	4		18%
None of the above	2		9%

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Greg Jennings Receiving Stats
SEASON-TEAM-GP-REC-TGTS-YDS--AVG-LNG-TD
2006----GB--14-45--104--632--14.0-75--3
2007----GB--13-53---85--920--17.4-82-12
2008----GB--16-80--139-1,292-16.2-63--9
2009----GB--16-68--118-1,113-16.4-83--4
2010----GB--16-76--125-1,265-16.6-86-12
2011----GB--13-67--101--949--14.2-79--9
2012----GB---8-36---62--366--10.2-45--4
Career-------96-425-734-6,537-15.4-86-53


Mike Wallace Receiving Stats
SEASON-TEAM-GP-REC-TGTS-YDS--AVG--LNG-TD
2009---PIT--16-39---72--756--19.4-60---6
2010---PIT--16-60--100-1,257-21.0-56--10
2011---PIT--16-72--113-1,193-16.6-95---8
2012---PIT--15-64--119--836--13.1-82---8
Career-------63-235-404-4,042-17.2-95--32

Dwayne Bowe Receiving Stats
SEASON-TEAM-GP-REC-TGTS--YDS-AVG--LNG-TD
2007----KC--16-70--117---995-14.2-58---5
2008----KC--16-86--158-1,022-11.9-36---7
2009----KC--11-47---87---589-12.5-41---4
2010----KC--16-72--132-1,162-16.1-75--15
2011----KC--16-81--141-1,159-14.3-52---5
2012----KC--13-59--114---801-13.6-47---3
Career-------88-415-749-5,728-13.8-75--39

I'm not real sure why Jennings doesn't get more love on this board? Take away the inj last year and he's got way better stats than Wallace, i'm even startin to like Bowe more than Wallace (money being the deciding factor) My vote is definately Jennings, he comes from a similar system, knows Philbin well, and will cost less than Wallace.

(sorry, I tried to straighten up the stats so they lined up, but it didn't work) (hopefully the dashes help)



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2013 05:31PM by dolphaholic.

Jennings is getting old, will be 30

he may be the most affordable solution, but he wont be catching from Favre or Rodgers and we don't have the other receivers at this time GB had.


Bowe reminds me of Marshall, I doubt we will go there, and expect I expect Wallace will sign elsewhere

it depends on the cash. I think Wallace will be the most expensive but probably has the most upside for us. Jennings should cost the least but he may be the best fit---knows the offense, will be a great help to RT. I say resign Harline, sign Jennings, draft a WR in the 2d round, we should be in very good shape. I don't want Bowe.

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It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Philbin had no interest whatsoever in any of these guys.

Of the three I feel like Wallace has the most potential upside, but also is likely the biggest headache.

Jennings I feel could be the biggest early contributer given his knowledge of the system, but is the elder of the group, and may be a potential injury concern.

Dwayne Bowe i dont know about, but given the stats above it looks like last year was the worst of his career... but still appears as good or better than any of our receivers BEST years

While Jennings may be the best fit, I am concerned about him turning 30, and having missed 11 of his last 22 games with injuries. And a torn abdominal muscle that required surgery is a pretty significant injury. And how does he do in an offense when he doesn't have a supporting cast like he had in Green Bay?

With Wallace, I worry that he is not a fit in this system. He was asked to run shorter routes this year in Pittsburgh, and he had a pretty bad year by his previous standards. He also admitted that part of his issue was losing focus when he didn't get the ball enough early in games. Not sure that's the kind of attitude Philbin wants around.

Wallace also was without Reothlisberger for 3 1/2 games during which time he had games of....

10th game (when BR got injured) 14 yards/1td
11th game 24 yards
12th game 9 yards
13th game 44 yards

14th game with BR back: 112 yards/2 td's

He started the season with 4 td's in the first 5 games so he wasn't having much trouble early on.

Haley has had problems with getting players invloved before as well as being known as a hot head. Roethlisberger called his offense "dink and dunk". Why you would do that with an excellent long ball thrower like BR is beyond me.

I think as a coach you have to adapt to your players. Not have guys with 4.3 speed running 10 yard curls all the time.

Bruce Arians certainly had no problems getting Wallace the ball right out of the gate. He averaged 19 ypc with Arians and 13.1 with Haley. That should tell you something.

Philbin may run his version of the WCO but on several of the long passes to Hartline, he ran go routes down the sideline. Put Wallace in that spot with Hartline on the other routes and we probably score many more long TD's.

The WCO may be based on short routes but that doesn't mean that JP and Sherman don't throw the deep ball. Last year all the media was talking about how we needed a deep threat to open up the field for the rest of the offense. Why worry about that if we are just dinking and dunking?

I'm not saying Wallace wll be a fit or not. Just looking at other angles.

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Don't get me wrong, i'd be happy with Wallace, but if you look at his numbers compared to Jennings and Bowe, he doesn't blow you away, plus he's gonna co$t alot more money, and he isn't as versatile as them two, seems like he's a long ball hitter or he strikes out. Just my opinion, but not sure he's gonna be worth the extra cash it will take to land him.

Short routes like slants and crossing patterns are staples of the WCO. But, more than that, last year Philbin talked about the WRs needing to be interchangeable, that you need guys who can play X, Z, and slot. Hartline fit that mold perfectly. Jennings does, too. Does Wallace? I don't think so. To me, he is strictly an X. But, I'm no expert, so I could be totally wrong.

Wallace is going to command the most interest on the free agent market, because he has been an elite deep threat, and he has rare speed. Let's assume that means he is going to get the most money, and he will have his pick of suitors. Why would he pick Miami? He was born in New Orleans and played college ball at Mississippi. He has no ties to the area. He has no ties to the coaching staff. It's an offensive system he has never played in. We have a promising 2nd year QB, but he is unproven. We play in a division with Tom Brady standing in our way. Why would he pick the Dolphins? If the answer is that the only way he would pick Miami is that we would top every offer, it probably means we'd be paying too much for him. I honestly think that Wallace is the least likely of the three to land in Miami. So, I am paying more attention to Bowe and Jennings. At least there are reasons why they might pick Miami.

The profootballfocus.com 2012 season grades for the unrestricted free agent WRs.

1) Wes Welker +14.1
2) Danny Amendola +13.0
3) Brandon Stokley +10.2
***those top 3 are all slot guys who don't fit our needs***
4) Dwayne Bowe +8.5
5) Domenik Hixon +8.2
6) Brian Hartline +7.1
7) Brandon Gibson +6.6 (he had a good game against Sean Smith, ha!)
8) Randy Moss +3.7
9) Greg Jennings +3.4
10) Devin Aromashodu +3.0 (hey, we drafted him)

Then, I'll skip all the way down to:
36) Mike Wallace -4.5

Wallace definitely had a down year in a new offense and with an entire offense that struggled. The entire team had a bad year.

I agree Wallace may be highly unlikely but between he and Jennings, the chances of Wallace flopping is nowhere near the potential flop for Jennings...only because he is showing signs of breaking down physically.

I also think we have a need for an upgrade at the slot position. I'm not sure what those ratings are based on but probably closer resemble efficiency more than big play ability....of which Bess is very limited.

Bowe may be the most viable option.

Someone mentioned that we should sit back and wait when FA starts but given our recent history attracting FA's, I think making a big acquisition early may be a great recruiting tool. What better way to show other potential players that coming to Miami is a good move?

It will be interesting to see how we assemble a decent WR corp with several guys that fit the offense like GB has... Mathews could take a big leap next camp. I would like to resign Hartline and maybe add Bowe and then draft Eifert.

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eesti Wrote:
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> Wallace definitely had a down year in a new
> offense and with an entire offense that struggled.
> The entire team had a bad year.
>

I would just like to say that Dwayne Bowe can use that same excuse, to much greater effect.


> I agree Wallace may be highly unlikely but between
> he and Jennings, the chances of Wallace flopping
> is nowhere near the potential flop for
> Jennings...only because he is showing signs of
> breaking down physically.
>
> I also think we have a need for an upgrade at the
> slot position.

I agree. But, slot WRs should be relatively cheap, so I would focus on one in the draft. I would not even consider shelling out big money for a guy like Amendola, who has averaged less than 10 yards per catch.

> I'm not sure what those ratings are
> based on but probably closer resemble efficiency
> more than big play ability....of which Bess is
> very limited.

It's not about efficiency or big play ability, really. PFF grades each player from -2.0 to +2.0 on every play, in increments of 0.5. Basically, if they do their job, they get a 0.0. A +2.0 would be a great play, and a -2.0 would be a really bad play. These grades are their cumulative grade for the year. And it reflects the passing game (routes, drops, YAC, making tacklers miss, etc), fumbles, any runs, blocking, and penalties.

The breakdown for the big 3 is as follows for 2012:

Wallace
pass receiving -1.5
running -0.6
blocking -0.8
penalties -1.6

Bowe
pass receiving +8.1
running 0.0
blocking +0.2
penalties +0.2

Jennings
pass receiving +3.2
running 0.0
blocking -0.1
penalties +0.2

Amendola could be a steal and less of a diva

I would be cool with any 1 f them. They each have a plus side and a minus.

Jennings
plus- system/coach familiarity, route versatility, good hands
minus- age, has played on a well-prepared team with good QB...so his numbers likely represent his BEST...or full potential realized. So no bargain.

Wallace
plus - Speed,Speed,speed. Decent hands, developing other route options.
minus- Money,money,money. Can't run all routes, average size. Played with a good QB... who used him well...likely full potential realized.


Bowe
plus- Versatile route runner, great size for all WR psoitions in WestCoast, has never played with a legitimate starting QB...therefore his full potential has not likely been realized.
minus - he has never been dominant, and rarely makes highlight plays.


IMO Bowe is a smart safe signing which leaves $$ for others.



here is a thought....what if we signed Jennings AND Bowe? use the draft picks on CB,DE,LB,OL?

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Amendola could be a steal and less of a diva


Amendola is small, slow (4.6), and has averaged 8.8 yards per catch for his career. 8.8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can find an undrafted guy who can do better than that. A guy who averages less than 9 yards per catch doesn't help us address any of our weaknesses.

Here are my thoughts.
Amendola is a nice slot receiver but extremely injury prone.

Jennings is not old! He is only 29 years of age.

Wallace I have mixed feelings about, but he definitely would fit that deep threat need.

Bowe is highly overrated, gets his many of his catches against prevent defenses.

Welker is in severe decline, doubt Pats will re-sign him.

Stokely doesn't fit here.


No other FA worth mentioning.

Welker is in in severe decline? At 31 years old he had 118/1354/6 compared to 2009 when he was 28 and put up 123/1348/4.

Jennings will be 30 in September and has missed 11 games over the last two years. Welker will be 32 in May and has missed ZERO games in the last two years.

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eesti Wrote:
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> Welker is in in severe decline? At 31 years old he
> had 118/1354/6 compared to 2009 when he was 28 and
> put up 123/1348/4.
>
> Jennings will be 30 in September and has missed 11
> games over the last two years. Welker will be 32
> in May and has missed ZERO games in the last two
> years.


Anyone we sign has to be at the right price and each WR has a different "right price".

That said...the only way I sign Welker is if I trade Bess.

I don't need TWO guys who are limited to playing the slot.

Wallace will xcost an arm and a leg, not sure he's worth it.

Jennings should be more reasonably priced and familiar with the system.

Truth is we need at least two new WRs, and thats assuming we keep armstrong and Bess.

If you are putting 5 receivers on the field in some sets they need to be people that create a mismatch.

I also think we really need to get another quality TE

I want the player that wants to play for this team. If the GM doesn't sign Jennings, he should be fired.

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2012

Targets of 20 or more yards downfield for free agents:

Brian Hartline- 25 targets, 11 catches, 1 drop
Brandon Gibson- 17 targets, 8 catches, 1 drop
Mike Wallace- 31 targets, 6 catches, 2 drops
Dwayne Bowe- 22 targets, 5 catches, 1 drop
Greg Jennings- 8 targets, 1 catch, 1 drop
Domenik Hixon- 8 targets, 3 catches, 1 drop

Hartline & Bess 1 TD. Have to get guys that can get separation & score

Jennings last contract was a 4 yr/26.8 mil deal that he signed in 2009 when he was still putting up top numbers and making play....not getting hurt.

It was after a 1292/9 season.

Would you give him a 6.7 per year deal?

I would sign him (after physical and workout) for that amount on a deal that we could get out of with no dead space. Most likely he is not getting that offer again since he has had 1.5 to 2 down years and because of age....and he wants to come here.

Maybe we can get Hartline and Jennings for 10 million combined and then still draft a rookie WR and TE high.

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Have to have a QB that can get the WR the ball when they do get seperation for scores.

dolphin Wrote:
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> Have to have a QB that can get the WR the ball
> when they do get seperation for scores.


Brilliant statement Dolphin, thanks for the insight

I had no idea. I figured the long snapper could just turn around and hike it to the WR's.

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dolphaholic Wrote:
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> dolphin Wrote:
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> > Have to have a QB that can get the WR the ball
> > when they do get seperation for scores.
>
>
> Brilliant statement Dolphin, thanks for the
> insight

I agree with dolphaholic. Extraordinary statement. I never thought of that.

The answer to dolphin's statement would be: "Ryan THE REAL DEAL Tannehill"