BNF- cool, since he has none but Long with 5 times as many picks as Mueller, you let me know when it happens, and keep holding on to those dillusions if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside about having Jeff Ireland as the guy building our team... Yet we have had 3 consecutive losing seasons.. And our fired HC, just put up over 40 with an offense that sucked last year in NY. Baby T, was pumping TD's for NY not field goals... we have Ireland to thank for that... at the same time our new coach and system still couldnt get in the end zone... hmmmm...makes you wonder doesnt it...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

Are you people serious?!? Whatever we may think of Ireland, the rumors quoted in this article are second- and third- hand. If you think that is "official", then you might be interested in some land I have in the Jersey Pine Barrens.

Rick

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> BNF- cool, since he has none but Long with 5 times
> as many picks as Mueller, you let me know when it
> happens, and keep holding on to those dillusions
> if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside about
> having Jeff Ireland as the guy building our
> team... Yet we have had 3 consecutive losing
> seasons.. And our fired HC, just put up over 40
> with an offense that sucked last year in NY. Baby
> T, was pumping TD's for NY not field goals... we
> have Ireland to thank for that... at the same
> time our new coach and system still couldnt get in
> the end zone... hmmmm...makes you wonder doesnt
> it...

Big diference between Buffalo and Houston.......dontcha think?

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Let's not be the dog chasing its tail, OK?
>
> Solia was a pet project of Parcells, who found a
> way to extract the dudes POTENTIAL. So I'll give
> credit to Mueller for spotting that potential and
> drafting it (pretty much where Paul was slotted
> BTW with ample concerns about his dedication,
> weight, etc.). But let's just keep in mind he
> wasn't a ready-made pro let alone a "probowler."
>
> Furthermore, if you're willing to give a player
> like Soliai 4-5 years to ramp his game up then in
> all fairness you cannot make a definitive judgment
> about 95% of Ireland's draft because that would be
> hypocritical, 15 yards + loss of down!
>
>

Well said, I agree on this point. The fact of the matter is that Ireland has blown some 2nd and 3rd rounders and none of his picks have turned into instant impact, pro-bowl level players. Basically, Ireland has yet to hit a home run but has hit quite a few singles, some doubles, and struck out a few times as well. However, those "home run" guys are hard to come by. It's also a lot easier for these younger guys to have instant success when they come into a successful program surrounded by talented veterans. The lack of "home run" players is what drives fans to grab the pitchforks and start the fireland chants. It's a fair point, every successful team in the NFL right now has hit a few homeruns with their picks so Ireland needs to show the ability to get the home run player to take Miami to the next level. Maybe it's Tannyhill or maybe someone on the team emerges but it needs to happen.

I think its a fair point for someone to look at Ireland's track record in comparison to past GMs and point out that, "hey Ireland doesn't completely suck because we have seen Gms that completely suck". Ireland is obviously not a top GM but he isn't a horrible one either, he is average but young and hopefully improving. Another good point is, if we fire Ireland then who is in charge. I'm not completely against removing Ireland, but we better have a damn good replacement lined up and not sign some chump that will be even worse. We have a lot of cap space and draft picks next season and I don't want someone that will come in and try to be splashy but end up wasting it all and leaving us stuck like the Raiders. I would rather have Ireland because he at least doesn't overpay players in FA, makes good trades, and will take good, but probably not great, players in the first round. We can tread water with that performance from a GM until we can find a suitable replacement or Ireland shows improvement. Bottomline, unless Philbin knows of a GM with skills then I would rather have Ireland than see a Ross/Peterson led search of a GM next offseason.

Wow...after one week Sparano went from an incompetent moron to an offensive genius and Ireland gets blamed for it. Classic.

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DolfanKing Wrote:
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>
> 3 years and all we got is a pro-Bowl punter and an
> chronically injured LT.
>
> That ain't much.


The punter was drafted by Meuller

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BNF you have lost the plot

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dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> BigNastyFish Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Let's not be the dog chasing its tail, OK?
> >
> > Solia was a pet project of Parcells, who found
> a
> > way to extract the dudes POTENTIAL. So I'll
> give
> > credit to Mueller for spotting that potential
> and
> > drafting it (pretty much where Paul was slotted
> > BTW with ample concerns about his dedication,
> > weight, etc.). But let's just keep in mind he
> > wasn't a ready-made pro let alone a
> "probowler."
> >
> > Furthermore, if you're willing to give a player
> > like Soliai 4-5 years to ramp his game up then
> in
> > all fairness you cannot make a definitive
> judgment
> > about 95% of Ireland's draft because that would
> be
> > hypocritical, 15 yards + loss of down!
> >
> >
>
> Well said, I agree on this point. The fact of the
> matter is that Ireland has blown some 2nd and 3rd
> rounders and none of his picks have turned into
> instant impact, pro-bowl level players.
> Basically, Ireland has yet to hit a home run but
> has hit quite a few singles, some doubles, and
> struck out a few times as well. However, those
> "home run" guys are hard to come by. It's also a
> lot easier for these younger guys to have instant
> success when they come into a successful program
> surrounded by talented veterans. The lack of
> "home run" players is what drives fans to grab the
> pitchforks and start the fireland chants. It's a
> fair point, every successful team in the NFL right
> now has hit a few homeruns with their picks so
> Ireland needs to show the ability to get the home
> run player to take Miami to the next level. Maybe
> it's Tannyhill or maybe someone on the team
> emerges but it needs to happen.
>
> I think its a fair point for someone to look at
> Ireland's track record in comparison to past GMs
> and point out that, "hey Ireland doesn't
> completely suck because we have seen Gms that
> completely suck". Ireland is obviously not a top
> GM but he isn't a horrible one either, he is
> average but young and hopefully improving.
> Another good point is, if we fire Ireland then who
> is in charge. I'm not completely against removing
> Ireland, but we better have a damn good
> replacement lined up and not sign some chump that
> will be even worse. We have a lot of cap space
> and draft picks next season and I don't want
> someone that will come in and try to be splashy
> but end up wasting it all and leaving us stuck
> like the Raiders. I would rather have Ireland
> because he at least doesn't overpay players in FA,
> makes good trades, and will take good, but
> probably not great, players in the first round.
> We can tread water with that performance from a GM
> until we can find a suitable replacement or
> Ireland shows improvement. Bottomline, unless
> Philbin knows of a GM with skills then I would
> rather have Ireland than see a Ross/Peterson led
> search of a GM next offseason.

OUR TEAM SUCKS! end of story

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> dolphin1423 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BigNastyFish Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Let's not be the dog chasing its tail, OK?
> > >
> > > Solia was a pet project of Parcells, who
> found
> > a
> > > way to extract the dudes POTENTIAL. So I'll
> > give
> > > credit to Mueller for spotting that potential
> > and
> > > drafting it (pretty much where Paul was
> slotted
> > > BTW with ample concerns about his dedication,
> > > weight, etc.). But let's just keep in mind he
> > > wasn't a ready-made pro let alone a
> > "probowler."
> > >
> > > Furthermore, if you're willing to give a
> player
> > > like Soliai 4-5 years to ramp his game up
> then
> > in
> > > all fairness you cannot make a definitive
> > judgment
> > > about 95% of Ireland's draft because that
> would
> > be
> > > hypocritical, 15 yards + loss of down!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Well said, I agree on this point. The fact of
> the
> > matter is that Ireland has blown some 2nd and
> 3rd
> > rounders and none of his picks have turned into
> > instant impact, pro-bowl level players.
> > Basically, Ireland has yet to hit a home run
> but
> > has hit quite a few singles, some doubles, and
> > struck out a few times as well. However, those
> > "home run" guys are hard to come by. It's also
> a
> > lot easier for these younger guys to have
> instant
> > success when they come into a successful
> program
> > surrounded by talented veterans. The lack of
> > "home run" players is what drives fans to grab
> the
> > pitchforks and start the fireland chants. It's
> a
> > fair point, every successful team in the NFL
> right
> > now has hit a few homeruns with their picks so
> > Ireland needs to show the ability to get the
> home
> > run player to take Miami to the next level.
> Maybe
> > it's Tannyhill or maybe someone on the team
> > emerges but it needs to happen.
> >
> > I think its a fair point for someone to look at
> > Ireland's track record in comparison to past
> GMs
> > and point out that, "hey Ireland doesn't
> > completely suck because we have seen Gms that
> > completely suck". Ireland is obviously not a
> top
> > GM but he isn't a horrible one either, he is
> > average but young and hopefully improving.
> > Another good point is, if we fire Ireland then
> who
> > is in charge. I'm not completely against
> removing
> > Ireland, but we better have a damn good
> > replacement lined up and not sign some chump
> that
> > will be even worse. We have a lot of cap space
> > and draft picks next season and I don't want
> > someone that will come in and try to be splashy
> > but end up wasting it all and leaving us stuck
> > like the Raiders. I would rather have Ireland
> > because he at least doesn't overpay players in
> FA,
> > makes good trades, and will take good, but
> > probably not great, players in the first round.
>
> > We can tread water with that performance from a
> GM
> > until we can find a suitable replacement or
> > Ireland shows improvement. Bottomline, unless
> > Philbin knows of a GM with skills then I would
> > rather have Ireland than see a Ross/Peterson
> led
> > search of a GM next offseason.
>
> OUR TEAM SUCKS! end of story


berk, if you hate everything about this org., why are you still a fan?

Just for the record, I'm NOT a fan of Ireland. Tho I love those northern Irish ladies with dark hair and blue eyes. Volatile yet tender. Long-legged and short-tempered. Yum.

Beyond that, I have hopes that we've accumulated more talent than others want to recognize or believe, tho I do agree we have whiffed on some important picks and been to formula driven in a number of cases. But I believe that's correctable, and I think there's evidence we're going in the right direction, and if (???) that's the case, I wouldn't be in a hurry to make a radical change.

I think dolphin1423 made some very important points; it is difficult to hit homeruns, especially consistently. But we have a few players that could emerge as top shelf players in the near future such as Pouncy and Odrick and Smith. If Jerry can mature and be a dedicated Pro and Martin improves as projected -- the core OL looks pretty solid.

And even tho Wake and Bush were not drafted, they have to count in some way on the "impact" side and therefore count towards Ireland's competency.

Vernon and Miller are both blue-chip athletes that are 21 years old and just emerging as grown men. They both seems to have good character and attitudes, and are very coachable. I think they have the chance to be impact players, but time will tell.

Another point dolphin1423 touched on is the overall "product" a player in plugged into and how well the players talents match with the system -- allowing him to play good ball and contribute in an impactful way. This is an area we've been woeful in. Both developing players and designing/implementing a winning system then drafting players that fit the spec.

Is there any doubt where Project BIG came from? So we invested a number of drafts with that schematic as the reference point to evaluate players... And BTW, for those of you who were around a few years back, I was 100% on the protest side and wanted the entire regime eradicated (including the Sloth)!

Point is, some historical perspective is needed in this, along with the recognition that our scouting focus and resulting draft will be to find players that match the spec Philbin & Co. want for their design. I think Ireland can adapt and find those players, furthermore I believe there evidence he's already doing that. But the equation will not be solved with just one draft. But check out the draft ammo we're accumulating! That's good news for the future...(and oh how we love the "future" around here!)

Last, I get the fact (like a hammer over he head) that some around here don't think Ireland is capable of delivering the results and will just screw-up all those picks and miss a bunch of blue chips. That's the bottom line. But I don't see it that way. I think there's verifiable evidence (albeit NOT overwhelming) that Ireland is getting better at his job and maybe (???) him and Philbin can be a winning combination.

The benefits Ireland offers are as follows:

He's young and has a lot of upside to his career.
He's a very hard worker and is dedicated to his profession.
He's smart and seems to be learning from his mistakes.
He's got a respected eye for talent and uses a lot of different resources to find players.
The longer he sticks around the more connections he makes and the more efficient he'll be.

But most of all, his career is now directly linked to Thill. If Thill turns into a legit Pro coitusback and throws the pig like the dickens, Ireland will be our GM for many years to come.

My opinion. Of course.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------


> berk, if you hate everything about this org., why
> are you still a fan?


I don't hate everything about this org, far from it. I just think the GM is incompetent and the owner is worse. What I hate is what they are doing to this team (for the record I also hated what Wanny and CamMoron did as well). If I didn't care so much about this team it wouldn't bother me. Maybe if I cared less and was less of a fan I could be content with the "wait and see" approach after FIVE years of Ireland.

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BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> I love those northern Irish ladies with dark hair
> and blue eyes. Volatile yet tender. Long-legged
> and short-tempered. Yum.
>

ah, something we can agree on!

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> BigNastyFish Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love those northern Irish ladies with dark
> hair
> > and blue eyes. Volatile yet tender. Long-legged
> > and short-tempered. Yum.
> >
>
> ah, something we can agree on!


Yet another plus about living in the Boston area. substantial population of Irish ladies !

I know JC, that's what I miss most about living up there. Love the freckled Irish chicks!

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JC Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BigNastyFish Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I love those northern Irish ladies with dark
> > hair
> > > and blue eyes. Volatile yet tender.
> Long-legged
> > > and short-tempered. Yum.
> > >
> >
> > ah, something we can agree on!
>
>
> Yet another plus about living in the Boston area.
> substantial population of Irish ladies !

CAUTION: AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT HAVE HAIRY UNDERARMS IM DOWN WITH IT.


Likes them shaved even their eyebrows if possible.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Like this?
>
> Nice Frecks




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Ireland had nothing to do with many of the players you and other posters excoriate(rake over the coals)- if you think Ireland had ANY input when that fool Parcells was here, you are WRONG.

Rick

No No No...don't you understand the philosophy?

Parcels gets the credit for the good moves and Ireland gets the blame for all the bad ones.

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BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote: Likes them shaved even their
> eyebrows if possible.
>
> Humm. Is "eyebrows" code for something?
>
> All this talk about fish is making me hungry!


LOL....To say the truth i only like my women with hair on eyebrows and head...thats it......

eesti Wrote:
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> No No No...don't you understand the philosophy?
>
> Parcels gets the credit for the good moves and
> Ireland gets the blame for all the bad ones.


I thought it was the other way around

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No No No...don't you understand the philosophy?
> >
> > Parcels gets the credit for the good moves and
> > Ireland gets the blame for all the bad ones.
>
>
> I thought it was the other way around

Right, berk. When it comes to perennial all pro Jake Long, it was Ireland who did it. But anyone bad picked during the time that Parcells AND Ireland were both here was the fault of that "fool Parcells."

I have a simple rule. I have a simple test. If it happened after he became GM, he gets the credit........or blame if appropriate.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2012 01:39PM by ChyrenB.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> >
> samsam3738 Wrote: To say the truth i only like my
> women with hair on eyebrows and head...thats
> it......
>
> Just as I suspected! You like those blue-eyed dark
> Irish girls with Brazilian "features."
>
> Oh yea. I like my fish scaled as well...


Your fish scaled?

ROTFLMMFAO

Great post.

Dang! Nice TE. And WOW, that girl can bring it!

BTW did the announcer say "touchdown vagina?"

What a score!

Antone see the tape of Vontae Davis getting burned for a TD vs the Bears last week?

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If you watched any of "Hard Knocks", you know that he HAS said that about certain players. The coaches just disagreed. Ireland isn't fool enough to keep players in spite of the coaches. If the coaches don't believe in a guy they aren't going to invest any time in the guy, not just to appease the GM.

Rick

Which is why Gates was sent packing after 2 years.

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