Too bad a receivers job is just a bit more than simply catching the ball. They also have to block for the other WR's and TE's as well as for the running backs once they get beyond the LOS.

And many of them (but not nearly all) are asked to play special teams as well as to take occsional handoff.

It's simply not as simplistic as you make it out to be.

I will agree that their PRIMARY job is to catch the ball but that differs quite a bit from saying it's their ONLY job.

read defenses and adjust route accordingly. Hot routes etc...

Run routes precisely.

get open.


IzzyGould WR coach Ken O'Keefe working with Brian Hartline on the side. He's throwing passes an Hartline spins quickly to make the catch.

This is encouraging.

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Good points for sure but I think the horse is dead.

we are waiting to brian hartline to return from injury and be the #1 WR on this team. WTF is wrong with this picture!

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> we are waiting to brian hartline to return from
> injury and be the #1 WR on this team. WTF is wrong
> with this picture!

What is wrong? Jeff Ireland is what is wrong.

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Blocking is in the job description of a WR. They have to seal the corner or backside safety all the time in run plays. Those blocks are the difference between 12 yard gains and 30 yard gains. Sometimes WR will crack block on a linebacker as well and crack blocks are essential for the play to work.

It depends on the offense but having WR that can block is beneficial and sometimes a huge boon for the offense.

But he's blocking, in those instances, for a running back on a running play or, more rarely, for a running back on a screen and REALLY RARELY, for another WR, on a reverse. I don't think those are any more typical of a WR's specified duties than throwing a block downfield where one of his teammate WRs has caught a pass and is running near him.

But, of course, having ANY position player with blocking skills on offense is a boon, of course.

A WR blocking down field for other WR's part of what they do after the catch and does happen all of the time as does a WR blocking for a RB after the LOS. Blocking is blocking and it's part of a WR's job description. Being side by side means nothing in this equasion, blocking is blocking wherever and however it happens on the field. The vast majority of NFL WR's are REQUIRED to play on special teams so it is part of their job description...the only one's that don't play ST are the star players....aka starters.

In short, to answer your question CherynB, when a WR is playing WR on offense...yes blocking is part of their job. The mulyiple questions about QB's are just silly.

True enough Chren. When evaluating talent at WR, blocking should be far down the list. Blocking at WR can be learned fairly easily and really only requires a certain attitude and pride for the WR to be at least adequate. So I see your point and agree, catching the ball is by far the most important job for a WR.

I think, in this offense, the studs will be WR that are smart (read defenses, know the offense well), can get open (good quickness and Route running), can get YAC (toughness, open field skills), and can catch. In fact, that is a pretty good check list to use to rate our WR. I can only come up with one guy that can do at least three things on that list well: Bess. Please, someone tell me we have other guys I'm forgetting about.

Yeah, Dolphin1423, it looks like Ken and I are not going to agree. He thinks it is important to evaluate a WR (when either drafting him or deciding whether to play him) partially based on his blocking ability. Not gonna convince him to think otherwise and he's not going to convince me that is important.

What I'm talking about is what you're talking about, the ability to get open.

But when a ball bounces off a receiver's hands, then he's already gotten past that point, right?

So it's back to the fact that assuming you can get open and you DO to the point that the QB hits you in the hands with the ball, what excuse does he have for not catching the ball?????

Intelligence is critical at WR for the Fins system. Lots of quick routes that need to be adjusted based on coverage and blitz (also called hot routes) so the WR need to be able to read shell coverages.

Check the last sentence in my first and thrid posts above...you'll find the answer to your question. You'll also find that it was never avoided.

I also never condemmed you, but IMHO, the opinion that a WR's one and only job is to catch the ball is simplistic.

A receiver that cannot catch has exactly the same value as one who can't get open...neither will be effective.

I also never said or even insinuated that it was "not a big deal".

Ken Wrote:
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> Check the last sentence in my first and thrid
> posts above...you'll find the answer to your
> question. You'll also find that it was never
> avoided.
>
> I also never condemmed you, but IMHO, the opinion
> that a WR's one and only job is to catch the ball
> is simplistic.
>
> A receiver that cannot catch has exactly the same
> value as one who can't get open...neither will be
> effective.
>
> I also never said or even insinuated that it was
> "not a big deal".

But it IS more important than just a BIG DEAL. It is ESSENTIAL.

You, ON THE OTHER HAND, say WHILE it is important IT IS not the ONLY thing.

YOu thereby imply that it is 'NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY."

SO IS IT "ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY" LIke I believe or is it NOT???

You are weaseling around. If it IS, then our wrs are crappy and our QBs are not at fault.

Let's put it like this. There have been great running backs that were poor blockers. There have also been great fullbacks who were poor rushers but great at clearing out the running space by being a great blocker.

There have been quarterbacks that were great runners and poor passers.

There have been quarterbacks, like Marino, who were great passers but could not hobble worth a damn.

To my knowledge, there have been no receivers who were SAY FOR EXAMPLE, GREAT ROUTE RUNNERS AND GREAT AT GETTING OPEN BUT SIMPLY COULD NOT CATCH THE BALL.

That's our receivers. They can't catch the ball.

From all accounts most of the receivers have been doing well in practice when the playing speed might be a realistic 7/8 of game day speed. Tannehill named Bess as his favorite go-to receiver and Nannee as his #2, yet at game day full speed Nannee couldn't pull in a single one of his many chances. That looks to me like a timing, rhythm, chemistry issue which should improve with practice. Also, Tanny needs more practice going through his progressions rather than looking for his favorite receivers. All that will improve with time.

to add on to that hooligan. I think it becomes easier and more rewarding to go through progressions when you have legitimate 3rd, 4th, 5th options, which we currently don't have.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
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> > Check the last sentence in my first and thrid
> > posts above...you'll find the answer to your
> > question. You'll also find that it was never
> > avoided.
> >
> > I also never condemmed you, but IMHO, the
> opinion
> > that a WR's one and only job is to catch the
> ball
> > is simplistic.
> >
> > A receiver that cannot catch has exactly the
> same
> > value as one who can't get open...neither will
> be
> > effective.
> >
> > I also never said or even insinuated that it
> was
> > "not a big deal".
>
> But it IS more important than just a BIG DEAL. It
> is ESSENTIAL.

RE: Yes, catching the ball is essential for a WR I don't think we're disagreeing on that point.
>
> You, ON THE OTHER HAND, say WHILE it is important
> IT IS not the ONLY thing.

RE: Because it ISN'T the only thing a receiver is required to do according to his job description. YOUR assertion that a WR's one and ONLY job is to catch the ball is inaccurate. It is an oversimpification of the responsibilities of the position. So by your viewpoint a WR as long AS LONG AS HE CATCHES THE BALL when it is thrown to him he should be allowed to just jog around and do nothing when he isn't being thrown the ball.
>
> YOu thereby imply that it is 'NOT ABSOLUTELY
> NECESSARY."

RE: I have never said that.
>
> SO IS IT "ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY" LIke I believe or
> is it NOT???

RE: Again yes it is...
>
> You are weaseling around. If it IS, then our wrs
> are crappy and our QBs are not at fault.

RE: No, I'm not. So far our WR's have been crappy...no one's arguing that either.
>
> Let's put it like this. There have been great
> running backs that were poor blockers. There have
> also been great fullbacks who were poor rushers
> but great at clearing out the running space by
> being a great blocker.

RE: True.
>
> There have been quarterbacks that were great
> runners and poor passers.

RE: True.
>
> There have been quarterbacks, like Marino, who
> were great passers but could not hobble worth a
> damn.

RE: True.
>
> To my knowledge, there have been no receivers who
> were SAY FOR EXAMPLE, GREAT ROUTE RUNNERS AND
> GREAT AT GETTING OPEN BUT SIMPLY COULD NOT CATCH
> THE BALL.

RE: And likewise there have been no receivers that were great at catching the ball but were lousy route runners and couldn't get open at all...those things goes hand in hand.
>
> That's our receivers. They can't catch the ball.

RE: And they can't get open either, or run crisp routes either.

Ok i give you that Ken a wr is also supposed to block.....


But the main thing a wr does is catch the ball. I agree with chren there.


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Blocking as far as talking about receivers applies more to a TE.

But yes i agree a WR should block as well to be a complete player.