This pick could be the beginning of the end of Jakes Miami days, play Martin at RT this year and next, then let Long walk?

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> This pick could be the beginning of the end of
> Jakes Miami days, play Martin at RT this year and
> next, then let Long walk?


If we aren't going to re-sign him then he needs to be traded.

Why do we have to trade or get rid of our good players guys. We need to build around our good players not let them go.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Why do we have to trade or get rid of our good
> players guys. We need to build around our good
> players not let them go.


Its economics Sam sam.

You have 120 mill a year to spend on 53 players or so.

Long already makes $15 mill and he wants a raise despite the fact that the cap he was projected to be playing his current contract under was higher then what they are actually playing under.

Long is a great player, but just how much of you cap do you want to devote to a position that's value has diminished league wide?

Just look at the last ten Super Bowl winners...ONE had a LT drafted in the first round.

If Long wants more than we are willing to spend, then he needs to be traded. there is absolutely NOTHING to be gained by keeping him for another 8-8 season and letting him walk after.

I don't think so.

Ireland loves Long. It's just goin to be a problem with the contract. Hopefully we can work it out.

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If he wants to stay here we can restructure his contract and give him more signing bonus and less salary...

wasnt that done with other players.

I think the signing bonus does not count towards the cap am i right...

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> If he wants to stay here we can restructure his
> contract and give him more signing bonus and less
> salary...
>
> wasnt that done with other players.
>
> I think the signing bonus does not count towards
> the cap am i right...


No. the signing bonus counts towards the cap.

Wow....that stinks.......Must have misunderstood before.

I would have swore i heard that somewhere

All 4 yrs of Martins contract will be less then this yr for Long. I hope they keep both, but brace yourselves.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Wow....that stinks.......Must have misunderstood
> before.
>
> I would have swore i heard that somewhere

The signing bonus counts, but it is prorated over the life of the contract. And Long is only making $11M.

thank you guys.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
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> > Wow....that stinks.......Must have
> misunderstood
> > before.
> >
> > I would have swore i heard that somewhere
>
> The signing bonus counts, but it is prorated over
> the life of the contract. And Long is only making
> $11M.


Yeah but his cap number is $13 mill.

He wants more.

I have no idea how much more but with his injury history I'm more than a little hesitant to just hand him a blank check.

I think he is potential insurance but the goal is to build a monster offensive line. When was the last time we had an even above average o-line?

Out of loyalty Long should resign at a discout -- he's already made huge $$$ and had no business being #1 overall. Ireland / Parcells already allowed him to stash cash for the rest if his life.

I had matt ryan as the phins pick back then LOL.....Imagine my surprise and my huge @$$ ulcer.

Matt Ryan would have gotten killed behind whatever line the Dolphins would have fielded in 2008 (without Long). Remember how brutal the pass protection was under can cameron?

culpepper got killed. It looked like he never played QB in his life he had like half a second to deliver the ball...that were one of the worst OLs we've ever had.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> This pick could be the beginning of the end of
> Jakes Miami days, play Martin at RT this year and
> next, then let Long walk?


He's been in the Pro Bowl every year. letting him go would be retarded. Plus I love my #77 jersey!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
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> > This pick could be the beginning of the end of
> > Jakes Miami days, play Martin at RT this year
> and
> > next, then let Long walk?
>
>
> He's been in the Pro Bowl every year. letting him
> go would be retarded. Plus I love my #77 jersey!


I wouldn't want it either, but this is a wierd transition in the NFL, we have very expensive, high first rnd picks from a few years ago that are gonna want raises, and with the lower salary cap now, it's really not feasible. Like Truth said, he's already one of the top paid LTs in the league, how much higher can you go?

Ahhhh...he's not going anywhere. Let's just hope we can resign him to a reasonable deal.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > dolphaholic Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > This pick could be the beginning of the end
> of
> > > Jakes Miami days, play Martin at RT this year
> > and
> > > next, then let Long walk?
> >
> >
> > He's been in the Pro Bowl every year. letting
> him
> > go would be retarded. Plus I love my #77
> jersey!
>
>
> I wouldn't want it either, but this is a wierd
> transition in the NFL, we have very expensive,
> high first rnd picks from a few years ago that are
> gonna want raises, and with the lower salary cap
> now, it's really not feasible. Like Truth said,
> he's already one of the top paid LTs in the
> league, how much higher can you go?


Yeah.

What if we are offering $13-$15m and he wants 18-20?

Can't force him to sign and can't just throw money at him...he's not irreplaceable.

Joe Thomas got a 7 year, $84M contract from Cleveland. So, that is the benchmark for Long. We are not talking about $15M per year.

Bu Long has not played nearly as well (and as healthy) as Joe Thomas has.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Voted Best Lineman in the Leauge by his Peers. He played hurt and is a Warrior. He's not going anywhere.

sconigli Wrote:
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> I think he is potential insurance but the goal is
> to build a monster offensive line. When was the
> last time we had an even above average o-line?

Back when we had Hudson Houck...and the talent on that line wasn't nearly what we have now.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Bu Long has not played nearly as well (and as
> healthy) as Joe Thomas has.


At PFF, they basically graded out equal in 2008 and 2009. Long graded higher in 2010, when he played through injuries all year. Thomas graded out higher in 2011.

Regardless, the Thomas deal will be Long's benchmark. He will get at least equal to that.

For me, you just have to wait and see how healthy he is this year. If he breaks down, you have to let him go. If he is healthy, you re-sign him, because he is dominant. His contract is not nearly the problem that Dansby's is ($12.5M this year, because Dansby is not dominant.

There is no incentive to get him to agree to an extension now. It won't free up any cap money. He is going to get a yearly salary that is basically what he is making now. It won't save us anything.

For cap savings, the guys you need to look out for as trade/release candidates are Moore, Fasano, Incognito, and McDaniel. I'd say Dansby, but no other team is touching him at that cap number. At least not until during the season if some good team gets desperate at LB.

we better not let long walk for nothing

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> we better not let long walk for nothing

Ireland will probably cut him at the end of the season.

seriously, is there another team that gets rid of their good players for nothing? news flash, you need TWO starting tackles in the nfl

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