She got a kick out of that.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Just my .02 but...
>
> Trading UP for Tannehill is total joke!
>
> I hope there's ZERO chance that happens. I mean
> really. Are you guys freaking nuts?
>
> Investing #8 in him is a more than sufficient
> risk. But flushing additional draft capital down
> the toilet to get this kid in beyond crazy.
>
> Yea, he's a really nice athlete. And he's a high
> quality person. But (BUT BUT BUT) compare him to
> someone like (dare I say) Marino and suddenly...
> Well, he's a PROJECT at best.
>
> Are we really that desperate?
>
> We have a number of options so let the draft come
> to us. If Cleveland takes Tannehill then another
> quality prospect falls to us. And maybe we’re
> better off passing on that possibility and adding
> more ammo to out draft gun. But absolutely NO
> trading up for a project like Tannehill. That’s
> a loser move 9 times out of 10.

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I wouldn't say trading up for Tannehill is a joke, but it is something the Miami brass must consider, and I would say the thinking in that is based on Sherman's opinion of Tannehill. If Sherman is indicating he is a "must have" and "can't go wrong", then that's what Miami must do. But....I am also sure Sherman isn't saying trade up to the 3rd or 4th position.

I also agree that Miami should stay at 8 and if Tanny falls to them, then grab him, if not, move on by either drafting the best available or trading down, but not further than 15, where Miami can then pick up an extra 2nd rounder.

Damn, why would you even throw that statement out of comparing him to Marino? Geez, never happen. Hell, as good as Luck is (supposed) to be, I wouldn't even compare HIM to Marino.

Miami IS desperate for a "franchise" QB, but I highly doubt that they are that desperate to trade up too high and lose too many draft picks.

A guy who isnt going to be ready for 2 years, is not a franchise QB, he is a project... SO that is where you are going astray...

Franchise QB is not the same assesment as raw "Project QB"

Miami is desperate for a franchise QB, not a project QB. I dont think anyone can determine if a project QB is going to defintely be a franchise QB...

AND who the hell said he is a project? the same people who said Newton was a project last year? Truth is that nobody knows how rookies will adjust and how well prepared they are heading into their first game. Are you saying you wouldn't take Newton last year because he was a project and everyone thought he needed to sit for at least one year? Some people just start spouting off bullshit and calling it fact.

Any QB in the first round is a franchise QB until he fails. He is your franchise QB because you have invested a big asset to acquire your QB and since he is in the first round, you know he has the mental and physical abilities to succeed and needs to put it all together. Project QBs are like Terrelle Pryor who was taken with a third rounder.

And no shit Miami would rather have a franchise QB that can play right away but you don't always get what you want. The guys that sit a year or three (ARodgers) sometimes end up being much better for it. Miami needs a franchise QB it can feel confident about and build the team around and give fans hope whether he plays this year or sits the whole season.

Thank you dolphin 1423 for showing us that if we just hope it will become true, it will become true.

Jiminy Crickett, "when you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are, anything you wish will come to you.........."



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Ha Chyren, I will continue to hope that Miami takes a chance on a franchise QB so we can win. Good luck hoping for another ten years of mediocrity with Melvin Ingram.

BAM!!!!!!


Nice post Dolphin1423!!!

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

You become a rapper, A & O? Maybe we should start calling you MiamiRapper.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> She got a kick out of that.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> You become a rapper, A & O? Maybe we should start
> calling you MiamiRapper.



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Lol.....no way!!

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Or is Reppa a rapper?

Reppa is actually Rick Ross.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> AND who the hell said he is a project? the same
> people who said Newton was a project last year?
> Truth is that nobody knows how rookies will adjust
> and how well prepared they are heading into their
> first game. Are you saying you wouldn't take
> Newton last year because he was a project and
> everyone thought he needed to sit for at least one
> year? Some people just start spouting off
> bullshit and calling it fact.
>
> Any QB in the first round is a franchise QB until
> he fails. He is your franchise QB because you
> have invested a big asset to acquire your QB and
> since he is in the first round, you know he has
> the mental and physical abilities to succeed and
> needs to put it all together. Project QBs are
> like Terrelle Pryor who was taken with a third
> rounder.
>
> And no shit Miami would rather have a franchise QB
> that can play right away but you don't always get
> what you want. The guys that sit a year or three
> (ARodgers) sometimes end up being much better for
> it. Miami needs a franchise QB it can feel
> confident about and build the team around and give
> fans hope whether he plays this year or sits the
> whole season.


First off, Cam Newton was not remotely a project, he lead his team at QB to a National championship, in juco and Division 1. Carolina dumped Matt Moore, because Newton wasnt a project... WHich is why Newton started game 1..Projects dont start opening day of their rookie year... You are the one that needs to get your facts straight, they are way off...

You prove my point exactly, you dont know the difference between the two it appears...lol


RYan Tannehill is a project... He is nothing like Cam Newton...lol

BAM!!!

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Aqua&Orange Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > But Chyren,
> >
> > Thats what Mark is getting at, everybody and
> their
> > mother (except you and Crowder) realize that
> > Tannehill is worth a top 10 pick.
>
>
> LOL. Go back and look at my poll. There are a
> lot more on the "against" side than Crowder and
> myself.


Aqua is my boy but i disagree. I believe tannehill is not worth a 10th pick in the first round. Many other will disagree as well. No bigee. Next year we will see who was right.

That thread by chren will be brought up again next year.

EDIT>>>>the one he keeps upgrading to see who agrees with drafting tannehill at 8.



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dolfanmark wrote: Absolutely not. Cousins is known to hang on to the ball too long.


Henne all over again.

Oops i just realized the thread by chren was removed...Dam it was my fault for posting what i posted on the bottom. Sorry chren..And sorry to mods as well.............chren Maybe you should make anotherone...>that way we could see who was right about tannehill next year.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> dolphin1423 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > AND who the hell said he is a project? the
> same
> > people who said Newton was a project last year?
>
> > Truth is that nobody knows how rookies will
> adjust
> > and how well prepared they are heading into
> their
> > first game. Are you saying you wouldn't take
> > Newton last year because he was a project and
> > everyone thought he needed to sit for at least
> one
> > year? Some people just start spouting off
> > bullshit and calling it fact.
> >
> > Any QB in the first round is a franchise QB
> until
> > he fails. He is your franchise QB because you
> > have invested a big asset to acquire your QB
> and
> > since he is in the first round, you know he has
> > the mental and physical abilities to succeed
> and
> > needs to put it all together. Project QBs are
> > like Terrelle Pryor who was taken with a third
> > rounder.
> >
> > And no shit Miami would rather have a franchise
> QB
> > that can play right away but you don't always
> get
> > what you want. The guys that sit a year or
> three
> > (ARodgers) sometimes end up being much better
> for
> > it. Miami needs a franchise QB it can feel
> > confident about and build the team around and
> give
> > fans hope whether he plays this year or sits
> the
> > whole season.
>
>
> First off, Cam Newton was not remotely a project,
> he lead his team at QB to a National championship,
> in juco and Division 1. Carolina dumped Matt
> Moore, because Newton wasnt a project... WHich is
> why Newton started game 1..Projects dont start
> opening day of their rookie year... You are the
> one that needs to get your facts straight, they
> are way off...
>
> You prove my point exactly, you dont know the
> difference between the two it appears...lol
>
>
> RYan Tannehill is a project... He is nothing like
> Cam Newton...lol
>
> BAM!!!


I could be wrong crowder, but I think his point is, you never know who is a project or not, case in point; I'm sure Andy Dalton was thought of as a project and he started from day 1 as well. So for anyone to call Tannehill a project at this point is complete speculation, same thing goes for anyone calling him a day 1 starter though as well.

cam newton was deemed a project. I think everyone was shocked when he played so well right away. I mean it was just last year, I remember the "book" on newton, was that he was not "ready" right to play away. that's the scoop on almost every rookie QB, so the fact that tannehill fits in that category isn't earth shattering.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> cam newton was deemed a project. I think everyone
> was shocked when he played so well right away. I
> mean it was just last year, I remember the "book"
> on newton, was that he was not "ready" right to
> play away. that's the scoop on almost every rookie
> QB, so the fact that tannehill fits in that
> category isn't earth shattering.


I'm with you berk. EVERY qb is a "project". There are no sure things at any position in the NFL draft. And there are no QB'S who are ready to start and play at a high level when they are drafted. Sometimes you get a guy like Marino or newton who is so physically gifted they overcome what they don't know yet. But guys like that are rare. If you wait for one of those to draft a qb you'll never draft a qb.

I can't help but laugh at all this Tannehill is a reach at 8 talk.

If you are a gm and you believe he (or any qb prospect) is going to be a franchise qb and you NEED a franchise qb, then he's worth your first round pick no matter what number it is.

I'm all for trading down when possible but it only takes one smart gm who agrees with you to make trading down a huge risk that could blow up in your face. Any trade down has to take that risk into account.

But if we drafted a qb at 8 who was "projected" lower, nobody is going to complain about him being a "reach" 5 years later if he's one of the better qb's in the league

A&O... maybe you should be embarrased, you hold these guys as the end all be all on QB's out of one side of your mouth and then prove how wrong they are at evaluating talent out of the other side...Hypocrisy maybe a little....lol...Cam Newton was not a project, that is why he went #1. Mayock was wrong about Newton and I suspect he is wrong about Tannehill... SHows you that he isnt as great as you all make him out to be.. A guy like Newton wasnt in his top 20 but went 1 and had a great rookie year starting day 1.. But a guy like Tannehill is a top ten, that is about as ridiculous as I have ever heard... I guranteed Newton's success way before any of these turkeys did last year... And look what he did, was a franchise Qb right out of the gate.... Guess what Tannehill will not be Cam Newton, not even close...
Sorry if you feel I am embarrass myself somehow with my honest and on point opinion but such is life... I would say the people who's inaccurate statements you posted above but hold as the gospel on QB's should be embarrassed, the hypocrisy is almost to much for me..lol

As you were, my friend.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

The reality is Cam Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, etc all drafted in top 12 .. That is 4 QB's in top 12 or so picks, all the "experts" said they were worth the picks..... Out of the 4 guys taken in the top 12, how many do you think will be franchise QB's... Because last year they were all hyped out, and experts acted like all of them were cant miss franchise Qb's...
I would bet everything I have that their will not be 4 QB's out of last years draft that are franchise QB's... And how many do you think will come out of this draft.... 3... I find that hard to believe... Sorry odd of that happening are horrible... When was the last time 3 franchise QB's all came out of the same draft.... I will wait for your answers....

2006- Jay Cutler?
2007- 0 franchsie QB's drafted
2008- Matt Ryan, although he is yet to win a play off game Joe Flacco ( not quite but I will give you him)
2009- Matthew Stafford, Josh Freeman( still a huge question mark but second best in that draft)
2010- Sam Bradford drafted as one (but he is yet to do anything because of injuries)

So in the last 5 years, there has never been 3 franchise QB's drafted in the same year, and IMO, really only 1 a year at best true franchise Qb's.
But ever year this time of year, 3-5 guys are talked about in that frame work. Last year there was 6-7 Qb's taken in the first 2 rds alone... I just think it is a bit ridiculous, that people overlook general statistics and avg's with all of this stuff...

Good one berk wit ELI, Rivers and Ben, but you get my point it is extremely rare, once every 20 years rare at best. The avg is what? 1, maybe 1.5, a year.



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That bottom list, all of those QB's have had atleast 1 decent to good year.....


except Tim Couch. He was a huge bust.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

You misread me, A & O, the bottom list was of my "good" QBs.