dolphaholic Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
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> > dolphaholic Wrote:
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> > > Anyone that says Ross is cheap, is hating
> just
> > for
> > > the sake of hating. Probably the dumbest
> > comment
> > > I've read in a long time, on a board full of
> > dumb
> > > comments.
> >
> > He doesn't spend the money where it will
> matter.
>
> Then hate on him for making bad choices, but how
> can you say he's cheap when he made B Marshall one
> of the highest paid WR in the game? or paid a
> boatload of money to land Dansby? Top 10% in
> payroll? Doesn't sound cheap to me.

Top 10% in payroll BUT, NO Top tier QB, NO Top Tier RB, NO Top Tier Receiver. NO experienced Head Coach. I stand by my statement. He won't spend the money where it matters Brandon Marshall (who 'was going to be cut anyway') not withstanding.

>
> > And yes, I am hating. Hating seeing my team of
> > almost 40 years keep pursuing strategy's that
> have
> > failed and hating seeing them be
> non-competitive
> > and mediocre because they refuse to pay money
> to
> > impact players.
>
> In fairness to Ross, he only owns the last 4 or 5
> years of futility, can't really blame him for the
> last 40. And again, "they refuse to pay money to
> impact players" is a totally inaccurate
> statement.
>

Oh I don't blame him for the last 40 believe me. Up until about 10 years ago we were ALWAYS competitive from 1970 to 2004 34 years! ONE losing season. Now SIX out of 8!! I know he hasn't been in charge for all those 8 years but... he seems to share the 'We don't need no stinkin' QB' philosophy which has led us from one of the most storied, respectable NFL franchises to a near laughing stock. And please name an impact player other than Brandon 'was going to be cut anyway' Marshall he has given a decent contract to (And he really didn't receive much of the money)? I guess he thought he might sell Jerseys IDK.

>
> >
> > BTW, I would say the DUMBEST posts are the
> 'TRADE
> > DOWN, PICK LINEMEN AND WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR'
> ones.
> >
>
> Eh, you might of got me on a technicality there,
> my bad.






Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/26/2012 10:39AM by KB.

KB Wrote:

> Oh I don't blame him for the last 40 believe me.
> Up until about 10 years ago we were ALWAYS
> competitive from 1970 to 2004 34 years! ONE losing
> season. Now SIX out of 8!! I know he hasn't been
> in charge for all those 8 years but... he seems to
> share the 'We don't need no stinkin' QB'
> philosophy which has led us from one of the most
> storied, respectable NFL franchises to a near
> laughing stock. And please name an impact player
> other than Brandon 'was going to be cut anyway'
> Marshall he has given a decent contract to (And he
> really didn't receive much of the money)? I guess
> he thought he might sell Jerseys IDK.
>

Karlos Dansby, who we grossly overpaid for. Jake Grove and Justin Smiley got $50M combined. Randy Starks got $25M. Vernon Carey got a $42M contract. Ross has paid whatever money his football people have asked for.

ross is many things but I don't think we can say he is cheap. if the morons running the FO said this guy should be paid X and we need him, Ross would pay it no problem.

is there 1 player we wanted we didn't get b/c some other team outbid us? Closest I can say is Flynn but I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt and say the team didn't really want him.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
>
> > Oh I don't blame him for the last 40 believe me.
>
> > Up until about 10 years ago we were ALWAYS
> > competitive from 1970 to 2004 34 years! ONE
> losing
> > season. Now SIX out of 8!! I know he hasn't
> been
> > in charge for all those 8 years but... he seems
> to
> > share the 'We don't need no stinkin' QB'
> > philosophy which has led us from one of the
> most
> > storied, respectable NFL franchises to a near
> > laughing stock. And please name an impact
> player
> > other than Brandon 'was going to be cut anyway'
> > Marshall he has given a decent contract to (And
> he
> > really didn't receive much of the money)? I
> guess
> > he thought he might sell Jerseys IDK.
> >
>
> Karlos Dansby, who we grossly overpaid for. Jake
> Grove and Justin Smiley got $50M combined. Randy
> Starks got $25M. Vernon Carey got a $42M contract.
> Ross has paid whatever money his football people
> have asked for.


I said an Impact player. Again you name more linemen and DB's. THAT is the PROBLEM dude. HE IS NOT spending money where it will do any good. i.e. NO top tier QB, NO top tier RB, NO top tier receiver, NO experienced head coach. He's like my wife shopping. He'll buy 50 things he dosen't need at the dollar store because they're ONLY a dollar but won't pay $50 for something useful because it costs 'to much'.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2012 08:11AM by KB.

You have to look at who is available and what your needs are.

If you don't have a franchise QB you don't spend money on a marquee WR. Waste of money and youth ( WR's slow down faster than other positions)

We needed to address OL...and we drafted some big pieces...and used medium priced guys over the years to fill in the gaps.

Who did you want that we didn't sign?

realist Wrote:
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> You have to look at who is available and what your
> needs are.

Well, I don't know who could look at this team and think we don't need a QB. Several have been available over the last 10 years Ryan, Rodgers, Brees in the draft and Brees(again) and now Smith and Manning in free agency. You can't tell me ANY of those guys wouldn't have helped this team more than 8 years of 'Addressing the OL'.

>
> If you don't have a franchise QB you don't spend
> money on a marquee WR. Waste of money and youth (
> WR's slow down faster than other positions)

No argument there but your NEVER gonna have a franchise QB if you steadfastly refuse to take chances in the draft and won't pay in free agency.

>
> We needed to address OL...and we drafted some big
> pieces...and used medium priced guys over the
> years to fill in the gaps.

As I've said. We've spent 3 first round draft picks in 8 years including a #1 overall on Offensive Line. They are all still here and playing so they weren't busts. But how much have they helped? In that time we are 51-75 and except for the year Pennington stayed healthy we were in the bottom third of the league in offense and haven't even been close to the playoffs. Pennington as old and injured as he was was at least a competent NFL QB. Look what a difference he made.

>
> Who did you want that we didn't sign?

See above for just a few...

yeah I agree

I think the reason we haven't had a long-term QB solution is because both Wanny and Parcells' & crew didn't value the position enough...which was exacerbated by how the NFL has changed into flag/arena football recently. Couple that with striking out the one year with Saban when we had a chance to pick up Brees in FA (and he wasn't a certain franchise QB at the time) and/or Rodgers in the draft.

I think the main reasons we've overpaid for other talent are:
1. trying to compensate by not having a franchise QB
2. lack of development of our own players (i.e. draft picks)

For both QB and non-QB players, I don't think owners' willingness to spend has been an issue. Cap space may have been at certain times, but that speaks to overpaying for talent (see above), not lack of spending.

As I mentioned in a previous post, GB's starting offense had no players who came to GB after having been drafted elsewhere first...not one. I am VERY hopeful that this is something of a sign of how our new approach will be.

Pittsburgh boasts the same. Indy doesn't now, but had an offense that was nearly 100% Indy-draft-built for most of Peyton's career there. San Diego's offense has generally been home-grown most of the past decade. NE uses FA receivers, but home-grows most of the rest of their offense. Care to venture a guess about the Giants? Our offense right before the Marshall trade? 5 home-growns with 2 of those being rookies last year who replaced non-home-growns, 1 the #1 overall pick and 1 John Jerry who may or may not start in 2012.

Seems like more than a coincidence to me.