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This is a moderated phorum for the CIVILIZED discussion of the Miami Dolphins. In this phorum, there are rules and moderators to make sure you abide by the rules. The moderators for this phorum are JC and Colonel.
Monday morning quarterback or making observations in hindsight (eesti?), I want to get this out right now.
Most people see the question of who wins the division as being simple, 1) if we WIN, it's us or, 2)if we lose and the Pats win, it's the Pats, or3) if we lose and the Pats lose, it's the Jets.
However, provided the scoreboard shows that the Pats have lost and we are in overtime, we should remember that WE WIN THE DIVISION IN CASE OF A TIE with the Jets.
I only bring up this one-in-a-million remote possibility because I can see our simple-minded staff being in a tie near the end of the overtime quarter and doing something risky for the win (for example, passing when we are inside the Jets 20 yard line and risking an interception) that results in a turnover and a loss by a Jets field goal.
Our staff makes the worse decision because they don't think strategy. If the Pats have lost and we are in overtime, we have the luxury of playing for a tie. We should not forget that and we should not doing anything to gamble away a sure tie.
Weren't you one of the "non-simple-minded" persons that kept saying that that field goal risking pitchback five yards was not a bad running play to call against the Niners ahead by only 5 points and with 2:45 left in the game and to say otherwise was just Monday morning qbing? I could have sworn you were.
It wasn't a bad call at all. That play had worked all day, but the guard missed his block. It was a loss of three, hardly out of FG range.
Really, do you know what you are talking about? Most handoffs occur 5 yards behind scrimmage, the pitch is a yard or two farther. So, if the guard doesn't make the block, which he didn't, then you risk 3-5 yard loss anyway.
But if you just want to bitch about meaningless things, then you have something to talk a about.
ghotirule Wrote:
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> It wasn't a bad call at all. That play had worked
> all day, but the guard missed his block. It was a
> loss of three, hardly out of FG range.
>
> Really, do you know what you are talking about?
> Most handoffs occur 5 yards behind scrimmage, the
> pitch is a yard or two farther. So, if the guard
> doesn't make the block, which he didn't, then you
> risk 3-5 yard loss anyway.
>
> But if you just want to bitch about meaningless
> things, then you have something to talk a about.
>
>
> o
RESPONSE: You still don't get the point that you don't risk yardage on a must get field goal situation. It's called "strategy."
Yep, most modern plays call for the quarterback to run the ball back so many yards and hand off but there are still some plays in the play book wherein he stands behind center and hands off to the back as the back runs forward. There was no reason for either the pitch back or the type of play you describe.
ghotirule Wrote:
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> But if you just want to bitch about meaningless
> things, then you have something to talk a about.
>
RESPONSE: It'll be meaningless until they make the very mistake I'm talking about.
Berkeley might be right that it will never happen, but it just might.
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> I only bring up this one-in-a-million remote
> possibility because I can see our simple-minded
> staff being in a tie near the end of the overtime
> quarter and doing something risky for the win (for
> example, passing when we are inside the Jets 20
> yard line and risking an interception) that
> results in a turnover and a loss by a Jets field
> goal. Our staff makes the worse decision because they
> don't think strategy. If the Pats have lost and
> we are in overtime, we have the luxury of playing
> for a tie. We should not forget that and we
> should not doing anything to gamble away a sure
> tie.
>Errr... you are making yourself look more foolish by the minute.
>As for my age, I got my graduate degree in 1970 and my Doctorate in >1973, so you have again made a false assumption.
Simple minded staff? How dare you insult this staff after what they have achieved this season! and you call yourself a fan?
Regarding your last post that addressed me...I was speaking metaphorically when I referred to your level of intelligence but I guess they didn't teach that where you got your "Doctorate".
What kind of a person has to go on a fan based chat board to try and convince people how smart they are by displaying their credentials or resume?
and I am making myself look foolish?????
You come on phins.com in the middle of the best season in recent memory and disrespect the coach by calling him simple minded? and then act as if you know more about coaching and strategy than a future Hall of Fame coach/GM and his proteges?
“Anyone who thinks they're important is usually just a pompous moron who can't deal with his or her own pathetic insignificance and the fact that what they do is meaningless and inconsequential...”
-William Thomas
Chyren wrote: RESPONSE: And that describes you perfectly.
Good comeback, Doc. That was the equivalent of "Oh yeah, you are!"
It is one thing to criticize the coaching, as we all do on occasion but to call the staff simple minded is simply...simple minded.
But congratulations on getting here (phins.com) before me and for being old. That's quite an accomplishment. I can almost picture you sitting in your lazy-boy with a bag of corn puffs and orange fingers, wearing a leather helmet and resting a beer on your partially exposed beer gut while you yell at the TV while watching a re-run of the 81 Miami/Dan Diego playoff game.
Before you go.....Do the board a favor and again explain to us the merits of your original position about why it made sense to pitchback the ball five yards against the niners when we were leading by only 5 points with 2:45 left in the game and were at the bare edge of his field goal accuracy.
eesti Wrote:
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> I already explained my position in the other post
> but here goes... Running outside was working. Up
> the middle was not.
>
> Even in a typical running play in a standard
> formation to run up the middle, the QB is 4 to 5
> yards deep where the exchange is made. If the
> play is not executed and blocks are not made, this
> goes down as a tackle for loss.
>
> The pitch is designed to get the ball outside
> quicker and give the RB more room to see where the
> lanes are. The ball is not pitched straight back
> but back AND also outside so even if you are
> losing 4 yards on the back pitch, you are also
> gaining 4 yards on the out-pitch.
>
> The outside run was working better (about 6.6 ypc
> compared to 2 ypc inside) than the inside and the
> pitch had worked several times before so that is
> the call they went with. The play was not
> executed and it did not work...just as running up
> the middle did not work all day long...for more
> than a few yards and only a few plays actually
> even gained that much.
>
> The philosophy is to execute and gain yards, not
> to "not lose" yards. We needed 4 yards for a
> first down and running up the middle had only
> gained 4 yards or more exactly ONE time all day
> long.
>
> Sparano made a judgement call to gain the first
> down and run out the clock as opposed to gaining 1
> or two yards and taking a chance on a field goal
> from 46 or 47 yards and missing and giving the
> ball to SF with 2:41 left at the 45 yard line.
> Obviously it did not work. SF had been marching
> up the field all day.
RESPONSE: Again, and briefly, 1) the point is not what the best play to run THAT DAY, but the best play to run in that situation with us needing at least an indispensable field goal and us being at the edge of that makeable territory.
2) not all running plays are executed with the QB running straight back and handing the ball off to the RB four yards deep. Fullback runs are executed with the FB coming forward and plunging into the line. Even if it got stuffed for no yardage, we still would have had the five yards by which the field goal was missed.
>
> This does not make the staff simple minded.
RESPONSE: First of all, I never said the WHOLE STAFF, I said whoever is calling the plays.
Secondly, when on the next week, you follow that up with a fade pass to the endzone on 4th and 1 at the five yards wherein EVEN MAKING ONLY ONE YARD gives you four new downs to run down the clock and a first down from inside the 5 yard lines..................................................................................................WE BEGIN TO WONDER ABOUT WHETHER SIMPLE-MINDEDNESS IS AT WORK.
All that's left to prove it is if we LOSE the Jet game in overtime after the Pats have lost by trying to win the game instead of settling for a tie (which would give us the Championship of the AFC East).
ghotirule Wrote:
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> If we don't beat the Bills, we don't deserve to
> win the division.
>
> Ties are for pansies.
RESPONSE: Well, if you mean ties are sissies then you have a right to your opinion.
But if you mean ties for "losers," then how does taking a tie and WINNING THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP by virtue of a better record make you a "loser?" I would think that, INSTEAD, by going for a win and turning down a tie and failing to make that win and LOSING the division, that would make you a LOSER.
PHINSKISS13 Wrote:
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> Agreed....play nice everyone.....we should just be
> pissing against anything having to do with the
> jets.
>
> It all just comes down to one game now!
RESPONSE: This is just what I started this thread about....the Jets...eesti hijacked it to discuss last weeks game.
Back to the subject, why I started this thread was to say that we can afford to tie the Jest and still win the division if the Pats have lost.
Therefore, if we are sitting on a tie (or are within field goal range of making a tie) near the end of overtime, let's not do any to risk the tie.