I thought I saw a Tebow thread, but it seems long gone. So I will reset the discussion.
Tim Tebow is a difficult player.
On one hand he is a winner. Whether by, luck, deterimination, fast reacting synapses, will of God...the guy makes plays and elevates the play of those around him.
On the other hand, he is inconsistent, is unorthodox, and limits the team's offensive style.
BUT...couldn't similar be said of Peyton Manning? Dan Marino and Joe Montana? These guys have consistency on their side....but they were asked to do what they were good at MOST of the time...and were not made to fail at what they couldn't do.
If Montana had been asked to run a traditional vertical game he would have failed. If Marino or Manning were asked to run a West Coast or Spread...they would have failed.
SO....what if a team decided to take a winner and use his assets by designing a system that works for him?
What about Tebow running the Wildcat? What about Tebow on the field as a slot/RB/Qb hybrid?
so when I look at all that...I think...yeah ...maybe....but is it worth it? Wouldn't I be better off going the traditional route?
BUT...and here is the part I can't ignore......what if my opponent picks him up?
What do the Jets or Pats look like with Tebow? Brad Smith was highly successful for the Jets. Tebow would be a better Brad Smith.
Here is a scary one.....Brady, Welker, Grongowski, Hernandez...and Tebow. WTF?!!! I would crap my pants. What defense could deal with that?
So...do you send one of the 3rds from Marshall back to Denver for Tebow?
yeah...I think I would. It is a small investment...that would sell tickets, jerseys, get prime time coverage..could give us a winning team leader ( not necessarily at Q...and would keep him off the market.
No-one thought he could do what he did last year...including Elway....but he did it. The guy will be a winner somewhere in this league....we could use a few winners on this roster.
And if we could convince Tebow to come in and play H-Back, sign me up for that right now. I'd give up a third for that, no question. Kid brings a lot to a football team and I think he's a pretty damn good athlete, he could be real good in that position.
I have already posted several times that I want Tebow on my team, I do the trade too. Unfortunately, it seems to me the front office isn't really trying to bring winners on our team for some reason (at least right now during this time period).
One comment I will make. Yes the Patriots skull drug the Broncos and made Tebow look bad. But they went to the Superbowl. They were the best in the AFC. They made lots of teams look bad. Let's not over play the Patriot's figured him out thing, many teams figured him out, and still couldn't stop him.
I still think he wins out in a QB competition on this team right now. To me the positives outweigh the negatives. Good post Realist.
I am neither a Tebow fan or a Tebow supporter. I have said it before, he is an oversized QB shouldabeen a tightend that can barely manage a spiral. This guy is a fluke....that is it! He'll be downgraded to a backup by next year.
If he was such a great player and worth betting the farm on, why did Denver dump him so quick...obviously for Manning but seriously.....he sucks
First, Denver will most likely keep Tebow. They know how to use him if Manning gets hurt again. Tebow will get better as time moves on so it makes sense for Den to keep him. They can't get squat for him anyway.
Second, the Pats beat Den in the playoffs cause the Den defense could not even come close to stopping them. They also stopped the Den running game. Put Tebow in that position and he and most QBs will suck.
No, I don't want Tebow here. I also did not want Manning. We really need to draft a good one whoever that mighht be.
-Marino couldn't run a WC offense? eh? am I the only one that thinks he could have....VERY WELL?
-Tebow is right up Ross' alley Big time QB power in press coverage, ticket and jersey sales without having to pay for big money.
-Tebow isn't right for us at this time but hey, he took a team that looked like it would barely win a game and ended up taking it to a division championship and winning a playoff game. At this point I'd take that.
-I'd still rather see us keep Moore(we have done worse) and roll the dice on Tannehill or Weeden.
Met lot's of people who have disagreed with some of my choices.
Every team I have ever coached has made it to the Championship within 3 years.
We won undefeated last year, went back to the Championship this year, My two MVP's were out of the game by half-time.
When my best OL happened to demonstrate great hands and good speed...he became my FB/HB/TE. It weakened our OL..we were patching that OL with undersized, less-athletic guys....I then installed an Spread Option with the 245 lb FB as the RB taking the inside runs and with a speedy QB going outside or throwing. The FB was nominated by opposing coaches to the region ALL-Star team.
Every once in a while...an athlete defies convention and creative coaches ignore convention.
Lawrence Taylor, Kellen Winslow, Slingin' Sammy Baugh, Deine Sanders, Joe Montana, change the game or at least presented a new option.
I GAURTANTEE that I could find a way to get Tebow on the field in a way that adds value. When you have a winner...you play him.
> Been coaching for 25 years.
> Met lot's of people who have disagreed with some
> of my choices.
> Every team I have ever coached has made it to the
> Championship within 3 years.
> We won undefeated last year, went back to the
> Championship this year, My two MVP's were out of
> the game by half-time.
> When my best OL happened to demonstrate great
> hands and good speed...he became my FB/HB/TE. It
> weakened our OL..we were patching that OL with
> undersized, less-athletic guys....I then installed
> an Spread Option with the 245 lb FB as the RB
> taking the inside runs and with a speedy QB going
> outside or throwing. The FB was nominated by
> opposing coaches to the region ALL-Star team.
> Every once in a while...an athlete defies
> convention and creative coaches ignore
> Lawrence Taylor, Kellen Winslow, Slingin' Sammy
> Baugh, Deine Sanders, Joe Montana, change the game
> or at least presented a new option.
> I GAURTANTEE that I could find a way to get Tebow
> on the field in a way that adds value. When you
> have a winner...you play him.
So did Mike Sherman and Kevin Coyle, Holmgren did it for a decade.
And I wasn't actually saying that I am as good as GOOD NFL coaches....but I guaranteed that I would be able to find a way to get Tebow on the field in a positive way.
That being said.....if I hadn't found a rewarding career with the opportunity to coach...and started a family when I did? I think I could have pursued a professional coaching career...and I hink I would have done as well as or better than some of the clowns that came through the league.
Ironically, Doug Flutie won the Heisman, was dismissed as too small to play QB in the NFL, came to Canada had a great career, returned to the NFL and won many games...and then...while with the Pats...versus the Dolphins....scored by kicking a drop kick.
So while the NFL doesn't allow rouges....Tebow could probably drop kick.