> Almost every hall of fame qb is like 6'4
> Am i right?
doesnt matter football is entering a new era, dont need to be a statue pocket passer anymore. If you are a pocket passer then yes you need to be tall. But these more mobile qb's dont need to be that tall...
LOL. A&O I think you're in "love," and that's always fun. But I seriously doubt you're gonna see RG3 with Flipper on his helmet.
And, when you really think about, 6 spots in the draft can't be worth the insane price we'd have to pay to make the move. It's just not viable. Sure, IF (?????????????) we all knew for 100% certainty that the kid is a perennial NFL star we’d give our entire draft away, but that’s not he case.
But right now I think it’s fair to say we all know you’d make the move. But without responsibility there’s no accountability, so it’s a pipe dream. I just hope you’ve got some really good stuff in that pipe because Matt Moore is our QB of the present and immediate future. That’s a guarantee.
I think it's been argued to death that any team that doesn't have an elite QB or at least and elite prospect "desperately NEEDS" a QB above other needs. Cleveland and Washington jump out, but even Minnesota and Jacksonville might be inclined to think that last year's high picks are not elite prospects. I think (hope) Tampa thinks Freeman is more like the 2010 version than the 2011 of himself.
I think it's almost impossible to determine what's most likely to happen until Manning and Flynn are settled.
If you listen to Mike Mayock’s take on the QB position in the draft he’s “intrigued” by RG3 and likes a lot of what he sees on tape. He sees a “playmaker” with a big upside but he also sees legit bust potential, or a long protracted process of ramping the kid’s game up to NFL spec.
I’ve said the same thing before, the kid is flashy and has wonderful athletic skills, and he’s smart etc., but he’s pretty high risk at #2 in the draft, and that’s only compounded when you sell the farm to move up to that spot.
With all the other options at QB I don’t see the new regime, Ireland included, risking their professional future like that when there are 5 or 6 alternate possibilities including Moore, Flynn, Manning, Tannehill and Weeden. And none of these require we abandon the construction of the rest of the team to add one prospect at QB.
Yeah Hooligan, you could say that but on the other hand, a lot of them are not going to "try, try, again if they don't at first succeed" because if RGIII turns out to be a bust then you have both a bust Sam Bradford on your hands AND a bust RGIII.
In other words most of those question marks are from decisions made last year and certainly the year before.
Cleveland seems to be the big question mark.
So all you in depth guys, tell me.
What does Cleveland need BESIDES QB and if so can there be an argument for those needs being BIGGER.
Mayock thought Gabbert should have been the number one pick last year. Word out of Jville is Blaine is scared of his own shadow on the field. Mayock questioned everything about Cam Newton last year. Tannehill inmho is the guy w/ potential bust written all over him. The guy never reached his potential at TA&M. But he fits the profile of w/ mia is looking for in a qb this year, get the guy w/. the biggest question mark on his chest.
He measured tall and fast...not quite Vick speed, but just a couple hundredths of a second off. I'm not utterly 'RG3 or bust', but I must admit that I would love to have that kind of threat in the backfield. A player with that kind of mobility and quickness covers for some sins on the OL and lets passing plays develop a little bit further. Plus, if someone on the D is having to shadow him, it opens things up a bit more.
I think you're way off on Mayock. In a business full of idiots, Mike Mayock is one of the rare bright spots in NFL and draft analysis. Mike Mayock is BY FAR the most shrewd, analytical, perceptive, prepared, and all around smartest and best draft analysts around. It's not even close. While there's ridiculous talking heads and clowns out there like Mel Kiper, Mike Mayock takes it seriously and is much more measured than those yappie dog-type analysts. You'll never find him screaming about and going nuts over some over-hyped player that's aaaallllll the rage at the moment. He really does his homework and is one of the most well respected analysts in the business.
The fact that he was wrong about Gabbert vs. Newton was a mistake and mistakes and being wrong happens to all of us. It's not like there wasn't good reason to feel that way at the time. Cam Newton was certainly doing everything in his power at the time to convince the world he was a cocky A**hole who thought he was so incredible he wouldn't need to work hard, and would probably go the way of Jamarcus Russel (even if he was more talented than Russell)
Anyway, I follow the guy and he has far more hits year in and year out than any other analyst I listen too. He doesn't flip flop on things, going the way of the crowd or whats popular at the moment. He only changes his tune when there is some evidence comes to light that influences him to do so. He stands by and is open about his record, of which he has a really impressive one. He hits the nose on the head ALL the time with players, how good they end up being, where they get drafted, guys he thinks are over-hyped and will end up severely underachieving, even down to specifically WHAT they end up being good at on the field (like a RB being great catching the ball out of the backfield even when he didn't do much of that in college, a Guard getting to the 2nd level when run blocking despite not being asked to do much of that in college and not much tape existing on him doing it, or a QB excelling at looking off defensive backs enabling his #1 option on a given play to get open, etc.)
He's also the only guy that on day 3 of the draft is able to break down players no one's heard of, giving a detailed scouting report of some Left Guard taken in the 7th round from Monmouth college. Mayock knows his $hit. I wouldn't write him off based on one incorrect assessment.
I think the Newton mishap was a rare exception for him and I think his opinion of RGIII this year is spot on. Dynamic talent with intriguing upside who may struggle to adapt to the pro game and become NFL ready, and accordingly is high risk.