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This is a moderated phorum for the CIVILIZED discussion of the Miami Dolphins. In this phorum, there are rules and moderators to make sure you abide by the rules. The moderators for this phorum are JC and Colonel.
First of all, I know that picking a head coach is a bit of a crap shoot, but with that said, what exactly does McCoy bring to the table that is outstanding? His coaching career has been at best average. I'll give him a pass for last year because he was handed a strange situation with Tebow. Also, I understand that we're not privy to the interviews, but still can anyone help me understand what Ross and Ireland see that I'm missing?
A&O is all over this stuff and always gets the news out first...
Anyway, I find that a tad presumptuous on McCoy's part, and probably more indicative of his non-interest in the Raiders ORG, which is still dominated by Sybil from the top down.
Where do you go when you need to fleece a team in trade?
I am in complete agreement that this team needs a franchise QB. But some of you just live in a fantasy world if you realistically think that this ultra-conservative GM is going to take the risk of trading up to get RG3.
There are plenty of other teams who will be trying to trade up for Griffin (Washington, Cleveland...)
If you guys honestly believe that Jeff Ireland is going to be the guy to do what it takes to draft RG3 then I feel sorry for you.
Pulling out of the Raiders interview because he didn't want to jeopardize his status as top candidate for the Dolphins is such a bizarre move that I can't believe he actually said it.
First of all, it's presumptuous as BNF said. Secondly, how does interviewing with a rival team do anything but enhance his stature as a candidate? He should have talked this through with Jeff Fisher.
DA TRUUTH Wrote:
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> I am in complete agreement that this team needs a
> franchise QB. But some of you just live in a
> fantasy world if you realistically think that this
> ultra-conservative GM is going to take the risk of
> trading up to get RG3.
>
> There are plenty of other teams who will be trying
> to trade up for Griffin (Washington,
> Cleveland...)
>
> If you guys honestly believe that Jeff Ireland is
> going to be the guy to do what it takes to draft
> RG3 then I feel sorry for you.
I don't believe that he is that ultra conservative. I think Parcells called the shots and played the safe route. Instead of going for a homerun he hit singles to bring up his batting average. I also think things have changed. Ross needs a Big splash and didn't get it with a famous Coach hire. He needs to put Butts in the seats and an unknown coach and a 5-11 record won't do it. If Ross tells him to do what it takes to get RGIII it will get done. Might be the reason he stuck with him.
Not saying thats what is going to happen.........but it certainly probable IMO.
I hope Ireland doesn't trade up. The Dolphins need to be in the business of stockpiling picks. We lack talent. The OLine has two standout players, and one of them will be a very expensive free agent in a year. No one else on the line rises above adequate. Our top 3 WR all lack speed, and it inhibits our offense. We need more talent at TE, and our best player at the position is a free agent in a year. The D-Line may lose both Langford and Soliai. We need an OLB. We need a FS. We need a SS to eventually replace Bell. We need a CB to replace Sean Smith. When you look back at the last decade, we have traded away many, many draft picks. And what has it gotten us? We need to stockpile picks and load up on young talent.
No question, we need a QB. But, it is likely going to cost two number 1s and two number 2s to move up high enough to draft one. And guess what, QBs are always a gamble. If you are wrong about a guy, it sets your team back 3-4 years. As it turns out, we are not going to be in position to get RG3. So, you play with the hand you are dealt, and you find someone else. You never know where that QB will come from. Look at the success Andy Dalton had this year. Maybe there is a guy in the second round that you can groom. Maybe Matt Flynn is that guy. Alex Smith is a free agent. But, if you trade away the top of the next two drafts for RG3, and he's only mediocre, and you've cost yourself those picks, you find yourself still lacking overall talent.
Look at our last few #1's and #2's. BIG DEAL. We could have lived without them. The upside on RGIII is just too much to pass up.
We are already a good team. New coach and #3 through 7 and the free agency Market will Plug the holes. RGIII will be ready to take over the NFL by the time we get another 1st rounder. 2 yrs from now.
dolfanmark Wrote:
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> I hope Ireland doesn't trade up. The Dolphins need
> to be in the business of stockpiling picks. We
> lack talent. The OLine has two standout players,
> and one of them will be a very expensive free
> agent in a year. No one else on the line rises
> above adequate. Our top 3 WR all lack speed, and
> it inhibits our offense. We need more talent at
> TE, and our best player at the position is a free
> agent in a year. The D-Line may lose both Langford
> and Soliai. We need an OLB. We need a FS. We need
> a SS to eventually replace Bell. We need a CB to
> replace Sean Smith. When you look back at the last
> decade, we have traded away many, many draft
> picks. And what has it gotten us? We need to
> stockpile picks and load up on young talent.
>
> No question, we need a QB. But, it is likely going
> to cost two number 1s and two number 2s to move up
> high enough to draft one. And guess what, QBs are
> always a gamble. If you are wrong about a guy, it
> sets your team back 3-4 years. As it turns out, we
> are not going to be in position to get RG3. So,
> you play with the hand you are dealt, and you find
> someone else. You never know where that QB will
> come from. Look at the success Andy Dalton had
> this year. Maybe there is a guy in the second
> round that you can groom. Maybe Matt Flynn is that
> guy. Alex Smith is a free agent. But, if you trade
> away the top of the next two drafts for RG3, and
> he's only mediocre, and you've cost yourself those
> picks, you find yourself still lacking overall
> talent.
I have to disagree mark.
Go get the QB now.
We can build around Griffin over the next 3 years as he develops.
I'd offer Jake Long and the #8/9 for #2 and a 3rd.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/2012 12:32PM by THE Truth.
no we traded up 1 spot for a 4th round pick to leapfrog the Pats to take Vernon Carey! And who did the Pats take 1 spot after us? Vince Wilfork!!
thanks Rick Speilman.
THE Truth Wrote:
>
> I have to disagree mark.
>
> Go get the QB now.
>
> We can build around Griffin over the next 3 years
> as he develops.
>
> I'd offer Jake Long and the #8/9 for #2 and a 3rd.
Why would a rebuilding team take that deal? Jake Long has 1 year left on his contract that pays him over $11M this year. And he has had injuries 2 years in a row, including a shoulder that has been a chronic issue since college. The #2 pick, at the minimum, is going to cost you this year's first round pick and next year's #1. That's the minimum. If there is a QB there, it's going to cost more. How are you building around Griffin with no #1 picks? And maybe no #2 picks?
I like Griffin a lot. But, there is a matter of his size. I doubt very much he is 6'2, as he is listed. And everyone will poitn to Drew Brees, but he is an exception to the rule. QBs under 6'3, 6'2, can have issues seeing passing lanes in an NFL pocket. And there's a lot of indecision when Griffin is in the pocket. You see him make a lot of big plays after he has bought time, and throwing back across the field. Does that translate to the NFL? I don't know.
Just because you draft a QB high, it doesn't make him a franchise QB. To mortgage the future like that is a boom or bust move. If the move fails, it ends the career of your GM and the coach. The Jaguars thought they were getting a franchise guy in Gabbert (and plenty of people on this board did, too). How does that decision look now? He looked as bad as I've seen an NFL QB look. Meanwhile, Andy Dalton plays great. You just never know. Go back and look at the picks this team has traded away in the last decade. And we have nothing to show for it. And look at the Patriots, who always have numerous high picks. They don't give picks away. They stockpile. And look at our salary cap situation, and compare it to the Pats. We are $6M under the cap, without signing Langford or Soliai. And the Pats are $20M under the cap. We will need to restock as guys like Bush, Fasano, Bess, Hartline, Starks, Wake, and Davis will be free agents in the next two years. Stockpile the picks. We are going to need them.
Now, if we could trade up from #8 to #2 by just including Brandon Marshall, sign me up.
dolfanmark Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> >
> > I have to disagree mark.
> >
> > Go get the QB now.
> >
> > We can build around Griffin over the next 3
> years
> > as he develops.
> >
> > I'd offer Jake Long and the #8/9 for #2 and a
> 3rd.
>
> Why would a rebuilding team take that deal? Jake
> Long has 1 year left on his contract that pays him
> over $11M this year. And he has had injuries 2
> years in a row, including a shoulder that has been
> a chronic issue since college. The #2 pick, at the
> minimum, is going to cost you this year's first
> round pick and next year's #1. That's the minimum.
> If there is a QB there, it's going to cost more.
> How are you building around Griffin with no #1
> picks? And maybe no #2 picks?
Because they have a franchise QB that's gotten his rear-end kicked in his first two seasons. Adding an elite LT will go a long way to furthering his development by keeping him upright and on the field.
Then at 8/9 they can do a multitude of things...they could trade down again...they could draft another O-lineman...they could get Bradford another weapon to work with.
As for the money...they are $45 million under the cap. Its not an issue to get a 4 time pro bowl LT for $11 mill a year.
As for our rebuilding...I'm giving up 1 player and 1 pick, a pick I'd use on Griffin if he fell to me, and I'm getting back 2 picks.
If they don't want long then I pay the price in picks that they want. I can supplement my lineup through free agency. I can trade players I'm not keeping here long term. There are ways to get back picks to offset what you trade.
But we need a QB. Without one it doesn't matter what else you put together.
>
> Now, if we could trade up from #8 to #2 by just
> including Brandon Marshall, sign me up.
Marshall is worth it IMHO.......He is a sure thing as opposed to picking some unknown in the draft....As much as i hate marshall because he is a headcase sometimes....If he gets his things straigned out he can be a very good player for anybody.
Just look at it this way he made an impact without us having a good qb.......Imagine marshall having a good qb on his team. The sky is the limit...........................Again he just needs to straign out.
>
> Because they have a franchise QB that's gotten his
> rear-end kicked in his first two seasons. Adding
> an elite LT will go a long way to furthering his
> development by keeping him upright and on the
> field.
But, rather than take on Jake Long, who they only control for 1 year, and who makes $11M, they could draft their own young LT, who they could control for at least 4 years, and who would make a lot less because of the new rookie salary structures.
>
> As for the money...they are $45 million under the
> cap. Its not an issue to get a 4 time pro bowl LT
> for $11 mill a year.
>
They are projected to be $45M under the cap in 2013. According to the Rams' own Kevin Demoff, they are going to be "tight" on cap space in 2012, likely less than $10M under.