I just heard a commercial for Sunday Night Football. Has anything been resolved? I can't remember the words of the commercial but it was like, "football will come back."

Anyone hear anything final?

Nope, I haven't even heard anything speculative on a deal being done

*Update* SOme in the media are suggesting that because certain players met with their antitrust lawyers today , that a deal maybe done. Because in order for the CBA to be approved the first step is getting the players invovled in the lawsuit and their antitrust attorneys to sign off on a deal... SO based on the meeting between the players and their antitrust attorneys some are speculating a deal could be done in theory and now it is just a sign off time which could last a week or 2.

I think they will have a deal before the 8th cir rules, so the players can avoid a bad future precedent for them. since a ruling should come out in less than 2 weeks (I think), that's the timeline

We are going to see one hell of a FA frenzy when they make a deal. I can't wait. I'm looking for a LG, RB, QB and OLB. I read a good article this week talking about players we need to look at. Kevin Burnette and D Williams were two of them.

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I don't know if we add any more $$ at the OL. If we did I'd want a backup tackle who doesn't suck. We *should* have 4 of the 5 positions set---Long, Incognito, Pouncy, Carey, and we've got lots of contendors for the remaining guard spot---Jerry, Gardner, Berger, etc. One of though guys hopefully will come thru.

We need another RB but I think it may be more like a Sproles type than a D Williams who will want too much $$ and is injury prone.

Obviously we need a QB with my top 2 choices being V young or Bulger, if we can't get Orton for a 3d.

Anything we add to the D would be gravey.

ok I'm sold. not sure who will be available as an upgrade tho

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> If I'm Ireland the first thing I do is go get the
> best LG or RG on the market.
>

And sink even MORE money into the O-Line? We're on our way (if not already there) to having the highest paid and most underachieving O-Line in the league!! Look, Hudson Houck did wonders with much less talent (and much lower salaries) than we have now. If Ireland/Sparano can't get this line performing as-is, then the problem isn't with the players.

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
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> -----
> > Phinsfan2 Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > If I'm Ireland the first thing I do is go get
> > the
> > > best LG or RG on the market.
> > >
> >
> > And sink even MORE money into the O-Line?
> We're
> > on our way (if not already there) to having the
> > highest paid and most underachieving O-Line in
> the
> > league!!
>
>
> How do you figure that?
>
> Long makes a ton, that's a given, but he's worth
> every penny.
>
> But Carey and his $6+mill will most likely be gone
> after this year. So long term you don't have a
> major increase in funds devoted to O-line if you
> invest in a cornerstone LG this year.
>
> Take long and his $10 mill base and $15million cap
> hit out of the equation and right now you have
> less than $10 million tied up in the other 4
> starting O-line spots. And you only get near $10
> mill if you include signing bonuses and not just
> base salary. That's peanuts for a good starting
> O-line.
>
> Carey makes $4.15 in base this year and eats
> another another $2mill cap space with his prorated
> signing bonus.
>
> Garner/Jerry/Incognito are all slightly above or
> below $1m per season.
>
> Pouncey won't get much as the 16th pick with a
> rookie wage scale. Even if he gets the
> 6yr/19mill that Derrick Morgan got as the 16th
> pick in 2010, its still a cap hit of around a
> $1mill his first year.
>
> We not only have a HUGE NEED at LG, we have the
> resources to go and get one in a year where there
> just might be more than one available.
>
> To take your staring O-line from a $25 mill cap
> hit to a 30million cap hit isn't a big deal, and
> its well worth it if you get a quality player.

RESPONSE: Reading this makes my head spin because I remember what a big deal it was when the New York Yankees gave Mickey Mantle a contract for $100,000 a year.

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> Long makes a ton, that's a given, but he's worth
> every penny.
One guy.

>
> But Carey and his $6+mill will most likely be gone
> after this year. So long term you don't have a
> major increase in funds devoted to O-line if you
> invest in a cornerstone LG this year.
But, when Carey is gone, won't we have a HUGE NEED at RT?

>
> We not only have a HUGE NEED at LG,

HUGE NEED? Bigger than RB, TE, QB? Who's going to score more TDs for you, an overpaid LG (all highly touted FA O-Linemen end up overpaid, btw) or someone at those other 3 positions?

Look, we already have a very highly-paid O-Line....and what did it do for us last year?!! As I said, Hudson Houck did a TON more with less. Before we continue to throw money at the problem hoping it goes away, maybe we should evaluate the entire system.

The biggest sign yet that the lockout's almost over? An actual football discussion broke out in a labor thread.......imagine that!

Phinsfan2: I agree that we need another solid OG, but taking the best guy available has meant, in today's game, grossly overpaying someone because of hype. FA O-line salaries have skyrocketed in the last few years, and the guys getting those salaries haven't lived up to their billing. With the talent we have already, I think all we need is a veteran starter...but not necessarily a pro-bowl-level athlete. We need someone who plays smart. I'd love another Justin Smiley-type.

Notice how we've been, primarily, building our O-Line through the draft. Long, Jerry, Pouncy, Carey...all were drafted by us. Three of those guys are 1st rounders and the other was a 3rd rounder. Meanwhile, we have mostly nobodies at TE, and our RB situation this coming season is completely up-in-the-air.

Suffice to say we've concentrated heavily on the O-Line in the last several years, but the results haven't been what one would expect. We had a better overall O-line under Houck with journeymen.



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I agree that the OL and QB position are the 2 most important positions right now. We upgrade them and we are a different team.

Better said than done right?

Then comes the rb position.....Which brings me back to the OL position.

Karim abdull jabbar which ussually fell down with those so called shoe string tackles was able to run behind those late awesome phins OLs...

So concentrate on the OL first....

A great OL makes a runner look great......

Unless you are barry sanders

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> RESPONSE: ........
> I remember what a big deal it was when the New
> York Yankees gave Mickey Mantle a contract for
> $100,000 a year.


That is freaking cool! Talk about perspective

I remember when it was a huge deal when canseco got $5mm per year. They were referring to contracts like that as "canseco" money for awhile. now that's underpaid in a lot of circles.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I remember when it was a huge deal when canseco
> got $5mm per year. They were referring to
> contracts like that as "canseco" money for awhile.
> now that's underpaid in a lot of circles.

Yes my my how far it has come to them ridiculous contracts.