Yes, I agree that he does not seemed enthusiastic about any of them. The best proof of it is that he gives a comparison quarterback for each of them (Stanzi is even compared to being a Henne) and out of that lot, there was a Chad Pennington as well and the best of the lot was Kyle Orton.

this is about the most accurate QB assesment that I have seen. If not accurate it agrees almost 100% as I see this years class.

Newton - the best and then you will have to put some time in there

Gabbert - folks are going ga ga over this guy over post season workouts
but they should watch som film

Kaepernick - I can not say stay away from MW and WAC qb'a. How many
starting qb's are from these conferences? I though Jeff
Rowe looked good too a few years age.

Locker _ Rick Mirer?

Ponder - Everyone is saying how smart he is, but he did not always
play smart at FSU

Mallet - he is my #2 after Newton. The character issues are a
concern

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> this is about the most accurate QB assesment that
> I have seen. If not accurate it agrees almost 100%
> as I see this years class.
>
> Newton - the best and then you will have to put
> some time in there
>
> Gabbert - folks are going ga ga over this guy over
> post season workouts
> but they should watch som film
>
> Kaepernick - I can not say stay away from MW and
> WAC qb'a. How many
> starting qb's are from these
> conferences? I though Jeff
> Rowe looked good too a few years
> age.
>
> Locker _ Rick Mirer?
>
> Ponder - Everyone is saying how smart he is,
> but he did not always
> play smart at FSU
>
> Mallet - he is my #2 after Newton. The
> character issues are a
> concern


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I cant wait to see how this plays out. It is funny how everybody believes they are right, and we will see.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

The QB position has become overrated in Miami due to owners and fans panicing. A few seasons ago this team was in complete shambles. Weak lines, weak defense,weak offense, weak special teams but yet everyone acted as though the only problem was a superstar QB. This team is just now getting to where you could evaluate a Qb fairly. And whether some want to admit it or not could still get stonger on the lines, could still go from a good defense to an elite one, could still improve special teams, and could still improve its running game.

My money's on Mallet. Newton has his own set of character concerns, but few are reporting on those.

I still think Gabbert is the best of the bunch, though. You can watch weeks of film, but game situations vary and ALL rookie QBs have things to learn. The key is how quickly can they learn and can they execute it? Gabbert has the intellect and the physical skills to do that. I'm not sure if Newton will able to adjust to the NFL as well as some people think. Mallet is extremely physically gifted, at least from the waist up, and he's NOT "dumb as a stump" like some people have reported. Marino didn't come across as the smartest guy when he came out of college either!

So, I think the QBs will ultimately rank:

1. Gabbert
2. Mallet
...don't have a specific ranking for the others.

I actually think we can bypass picking a qb in the first rnd this year.
All of thse guys will take time to develop and I am not throwing Henne out the window yet.

'My money's on Mallet. Newton has his own set of character concerns, but few are reporting on those.'

I think sports writer's are tired of reporting Newtons character issues. Don't know what you read but they were reported in all of the mags,papers, boards tv, radio etc.

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> sleekdogg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The QB position has become overrated in Miami
> due
> > to owners and fans panicing.
>
>
> If you consider 10 years of mediocrity "panicing"
> then I agree.
>
> But you don't do you?
>
> QB is the single most important position in pro
> sports. If you have a good one, you generally
> have a good team. If you surround him with some
> talent, you have a great team.

> Frankly, I think Miami fans have done anything but
> panic when it comes to QB. We've willingly
> accepted mediocrity at that position for a decade
> in order to build other areas of the team with
> NOTHING to show for it.
>
> People aren't panicking when it comes to our QB
> situation. They are finally seeing the light.
>
> There's a HUGE difference between the two.
>
> > A few seasons ago
> > this team was in complete shambles. Weak lines,
> > weak defense,weak offense, weak special teams
> but
> > yet everyone acted as though the only problem
> was
> > a superstar QB.
>
> And a few seasons before that we were loaded on
> defense and had everything on offense BUT QB...how
> did that work out for us?
>
> > This team is just now getting to
> > where you could evaluate a Qb fairly.
>
> Evaluate or develop?
>
> An organization can evaluate a QB based on his
> play in college and in practice in the NFL.
>
> Its done every day.
>
>
> > And whether
> > some want to admit it or not could still get
> > stonger on the lines, could still go from a
> good
> > defense to an elite one, could still improve
> > special teams, and could still improve its
> running
> > game.
>
> Why would we stop improving other areas of the
> team once we had a QB?
>
> This is a straw-man argument.
>
> Improving those other areas of the team is an
> ongoing process every season and it has NOTHING to
> do with addressing the QB position.
>
> Great teams DO BOTH. They are not mutually
> exclusive.

The Miami Dolphins for years had one of the most amazing quarterbacksin the history of the game and never won a superbowl. The 70's Dolphins had a great running attack and killer defense and won superbowls.

-I've seen mediocre to good Qb's win superbowls.

-I've never seen a team win the superbowl with bad defense.

The most important area of a football team is the defense when it comes to winning championships.

If I remember correctly: Eli Manning was not elite in 2007. The key to the Giants playoff run and SB win was their defense.



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Like I said before its been talked to death (QB vs. drafting any other position) but I totally agree with Sleekdogg for the reasons he points out.

I think you can win SBs with an average "any position" that means there have been SuperBowl champs with an average QB, with an average RBs, with an average OL, with an average DL, with average WRs.

Now granted that the logical comeback is that most of those teams had GREATNESS at other positions, such as had Dan Marino won a superbowl, then there would have been a team that won with average RBs or an average Defense but with a great QBs.

And the comeback would continue that since we do not have either great RBs, a great Defense, a Great Offensive line, then we can't be one of those teams without a great QB.

However, that's going in a circle, PhinFans2. Don't look at it that way. Look at it by saying, "What good is a great QB going to do us if the rest of our team is crappy anyway?"

Once you do that, then you say, "Hey, let's upgrade the rest of our team and make sure it's Henne that is really what is stinking up the landscape as opposed to Henne not being able to carry a crappy team on his back."



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Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If I remember correctly: Eli Manning was not
> > elite in 2007. The key to the Giants playoff
> run
> > and SB win was their defense.
>
>
> You are right...his stats weren't elite. But I
> consider him a top 10 QB which is certainly
> debatable.
>
> Oddly enough, Brad Johnson's stats when TB won in
> 2002 WERE elite that year. He was 3rd in the
> league in passer rating and 8th in TD's.



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In my opinion, he was elite on 1 drive, and thats all that mattered.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

He made an elite play (also very fortunate) on that drive; but it would have meant nothing if not for a defense that harassed Brady the entire game.

""Ponder - Everyone is saying how smart he is, but he did not always
play smart at FSU ""???

This guy played very well and suffered through injuries. He's ellusive enough in the pocket to buy time with his feet and complete passes down field. He handled the punishment on broken plays were he needed to scramble. A couple late mistakes by teammates cost him a few victories. I predict he is taken mid 2nd round...

IMHO here's my 2011 QB Ranking...

1A -CAM NEWTON
1B-BLAINE GABBERT
3 RYAN MALLET
4 CHRISTIAN PONDER
5 JAKE LOCKER
6 COLIN KAEPERNICK
7 ANDY DALTON
8 RICKY STANZI

For "our" team I think the best choices are;

I wouldn't trade up to get any of them but would take the best of what falls to us at #15.

1A. Blaine Gabbert
1B. Colin Kapernick
2. Ryan Mallet
3. Cam Newton
4. Jake Locker
5. Christian Ponder
5. Ricky Stanzi
8. Andi Dalton

I am a KaperFAN. It was tough to rank him behind Locker. I had him in my college fantay football league. Followed his every yard, completion, passing and rushing TD. He would be a decent choice for OUR team, not @15 imho He's NOT a CAN'T-MISS Prospect with mid 1st round grades, only because of the punishment his rushing in college may have taken on his body.

My guess on the Draft order of these QBs may make his availability near our 3rd rounder or close enough to trade up without trading the farm...

I dont think we will spend our 1st selection on a QB... mostly because this regime is on its last dime and will MOST CERTAINLY walk the plank if the 2011 season is another disappointment, they need an IMPACT player in the 2011 DRAFT. A starter that will help them keep their jobs by making the playoffs, not a ROOKIE QB who'll take years to develop.

the Sun Sunentinel blog has their draft expert with a break down of christian ponder today and says MIA should take him at 15. IMO that's crazy---I've not seen any projection where he goes in the first round, and Ponder isn't even all that great

I see what you emphasize and read the opposite. Honestly. I see him talking about having breathing space for a couple of years. I guess you can read it as drafting a new QB, that's a fair interpretation, but I think it's also susceptible to the interpretation that Henne has some breathing. So I really am missing something in my reading.

Ross also said that the team must show signs of improvement.

So we have to improve as a team and show some promise for the future.

What it doesn't mean is we can just wait for henne to improve. Something he hasn't done so far.

Not that we have to make it to the superbowl but we have to get better at home and cause some problems for the good teams and beat a few.

Right now we have two qbs on the roster. One was tendered a 2nd round pick so they do value him. There are not many viable options as free agents. Trading 2012 picks is the only way to get one.

They have to draft a qb that can at least push TT and CP...and those two must show improvement. If we don't have a passing game or at least some hope for the passing game in the future....that is when jobs are in jeopardy. That's my take on what I have read from management.

Now...if we pass on a qb that comes in and has the look of a franchise qb for another team....heads will roll. We have to be the team that strikes gold this year!

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

I honestly think we are looking at QB and WR with our first round pick...we should be able to get a very fast and sizable running back in the third or maybe even in the fourth round...with Mario Fannin or Da Rel Scott.

I don't think we draft Ingram at #15 even if he's there because he's simply too slow...we need size AND speed.

What I don't want to see us do at #15 is take an OL, DL, LB, CB or S.

Our first three picks need to be;

1. QB/WR
3. QB/WR/RB/TE
4. WR/RB/TE

I'd be shocked if we don't take an interior OL in the first 4 rounds. hopefully we can hit on another gem like John Jerry or Shawn Murphy.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I'd be shocked if we don't take an interior OL in
> the first 4 rounds. hopefully we can hit on
> another gem like John Jerry or Shawn Murphy.

Gem? I hope you're being sarcastic.

clearly