First off the running backs didnt just get terrible.

Having Numnutt's Berger as our center instead of a dominate center, then moving Smiley who was the leagues best pulling gard, and implant Incognito, who sucks at pulling, then add a rookie, and underachieving Carey is the reason why our running game was non existant, and Henne looked worse.

Last year proved that not having a dominate O-line, will mean your team will never ever win the SB.

Look at Detroit, they have a fantastic offense, awsome TE, RB, WR, and QB.

The QB can't stay healthy because he is alway's hit, and they can't tear up the running game, because they have a average O-line.

Imagine if Detroit had NE's o-line. Jesus they would be the top offense in the league.

We would be top 5 offense if we had the Elite O-line NE has had over the past decade.

The most dominate Oline in the past decade brought 3 sb's to one team.

Our average O-line has brought us Jack and ..it.

The obvious answer to your question is 0-line makes every player on the offense alot better, especially the RB's, and QB.

Good post.

The biggest disappointment of last season was the way Sparano and others actually depleted an up and coming OL. They were at best mediocre.

We need to upgrade the QB position, but I still think the OL should come first unless we just get plane lucky at 15.

A new CBA could change everything as free agency will be going wild.

Thing is, our O-line was bad, but not terrible last year. At least pass blocking it wasn't terrible except for a couple games towards the end of the year...and one of those was with Tyler Thigpen under center!

I DO feel we saw enough of Henne to know he's NOT our QB of the future. If our O-Line was as bad as Wanny's last year, then I'd say we don't know. Heck, who knows what Brian Griese could have done for us with a decent O-Line!!!

I have 2 other facts to share:

1. In the past 3 years, ALL QBs drafted in the 1st round have been successful (all are either starting or projected to start...and that includes Tim Tebow, even though they haven't made it official).

2. We haven't drafted a QB in the 1st round since Dan Marino!!

I think we're due. It's time to, FINALLY, bite the bullet and pull the trigger on a 1st-round QB. Got enough cliche's there for you?

The formula may be simple. Determining who the good QBs are is the hard part. In most cases, it takes a few years to determine if an existing NFL QB is going to be the guy. Determining if a college QB is good enough to be the guy is even harder. There were a lot of people on this board clamoring for Brady Quinn a few years ago.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2011 11:33AM by Northeast Fin Fan.

Whether we draft a QB or not, we need to resign Henne.

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> Whether we draft a QB or not, we need to resign
> Henne.

Henne is under contract. Or were you being funny?

He has one year left. I want him around beyond 2011 even if we draft a QB.

I don't agree with that assessment Phinsfan. Yeah having a franchise QB is needed, but not a necessity.

NYJ's offense is perfect examle of a good o line making a mediocre qb better.

They went to the championship game twice in a row.

NE made the playoffs just about every year, in the past decade.

Balt makes it to the playoffs every year, just about with a average QB, and a dominate O-line.

Pittsburg has a franchise QB, and a solid o-line and they win alot too.

The Colt's O-line suffered this year, and look how they did with the best QB in the league.

Our oline was better last year, and look at the differance with the runing game, and QB play, hell if not for a lot of injuries we would have made playoffs in 09.


Detroit has a franchise QB, but how do they do??? have had him what 2 3 years now?? Can't get over the .500 mark. Why crappy O-line.

The Bills had decent offense, except crappy o-line look how they do every year.

Jax last year with Smiley did much better than in 09, why upgraded o-line.


Raiders have a solid team, except a dominate O-line.

Denver same thing.

Yeah you need a good QB, franchise yeah, elite? No, not if you have a elite O-line, because no matter how awsome your QB is, see last year Manning stats.

PF2 - I understand your position on this (I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but I can understand it); except for the fact that you call Sanchez a franchise QB. He may become one; but we have no more proof of that than we do that Henne will or won't become one.

Do you really think Sanchez is better than the guy you want to replace in Miami? He certainly has the distinct advantage of being surrounded by far superior talent.

the proof that sanchize *can* (won't say he is) a franchise QB is that with the game on the line, even if he played like crap to that point, he more often than not drives the team down the field an puts them in a position to win. Henne goes 4 and out or throws 2 checkdowns and a pick.

Washington had a Franchise QB McNabb. How did they do with a porus O-line?

I understand what your saying, and yes you need a franchise QB.

HOWEVER my point is a dominate O-line to me is more important.

It can make a good QB "BRADY" seem ELITE.

It can make a average QB Palmer look GOOD.

It can make a below average QB Henne, look above average.

It can make a elite QB HOF!!!

It can make a crappy QB average.


O-line much more important to me than a QB.

My argument is its easier, and takes less time to build a dominate O-line, if you go out with the intent to get it done, than to find the franchise QB.

Once yor O-line is close or in tact, then go get your man is my point.

Also all the points your made also had a solid o-line on there team too.

So either way yeah we are both right, I just put more emphasis on the O-line than the QB.

I think the best case is Dallas. Romo is a franchise QB, hell Kitna is almost a franchise QB, they had a awsome RB tandom, and WR'S TE'S. I mean totaly stacked except A CRAPPY O-LINE LAST YEAR, and look how they ended up.

Yeah there defense was doo doo, but there o-line couldnt open up running lanes, and protect there QB'S.

Yeah if Romo stayed healthy they would prob won one or 2 more games last year, but man even Kitna got hurt because of the crap O-line.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2011 07:52AM by Mia1.

dude, the word is DOMINANT, when used as an adjective.

Using the profootballfocus.com grades.

In 2009, Miami's o-line earned a collective +61 in run blocking, and a +43.2 in pass blocking. In 2010, the run blocking dropped to a -23, and the pass blocking dropped to +15.5. That is a huge, huge dropoff in performance. If you want to know why the offense regressed in 2010, you don't need to look any further than the o-line.

It doesnt, just proves my point that a dominate O-line is the most important part of any team.

In 09 Henne looked decent. In 10 he sucked hard.

In 09 our O-line was solid, not doinate, in 10 it sucked hard.

The annoying part is that people chose to not see that?

Oh well Im not the GM, so all I can do is complain and watch crap unfold year after year.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2011 03:47PM by Mia1.

Also look at our running gmae nite and day differance in 09, from 10.

WHY????? Crap o-line.

Again can't win when your RB's can't run the ball, and your QB doesnt have the time to make the reads, although Henne at times had decent amount of time, but still Berger is not a starting calibur Center, and Incognito is not a LG, and Carey is too fat and out of shape.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> Using the profootballfocus.com grades.
>
> In 2009, Miami's o-line earned a collective +61 in
> run blocking, and a +43.2 in pass blocking. In
> 2010, the run blocking dropped to a -23, and the
> pass blocking dropped to +15.5. That is a huge,
> huge dropoff in performance. If you want to know
> why the offense regressed in 2010, you don't need
> to look any further than the o-line.

Funny, though. We ended up with the same record both years. One consistent thing on offense between those 2 years was the QB.

montequi Wrote:
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> dolfanmark Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Using the profootballfocus.com grades.
> >
> > In 2009, Miami's o-line earned a collective +61
> in
> > run blocking, and a +43.2 in pass blocking. In
> > 2010, the run blocking dropped to a -23, and
> the
> > pass blocking dropped to +15.5. That is a huge,
> > huge dropoff in performance. If you want to
> know
> > why the offense regressed in 2010, you don't
> need
> > to look any further than the o-line.
>
> Funny, though. We ended up with the same record
> both years. One consistent thing on offense
> between those 2 years was the QB.


Actually because of injuries that some on here apparantly forgot we would have made playoffs in 09.


We had alot of injuries in 09, and 10 but more in 09. Plus alot of rookies.

If we had the same stinking O line in 09 I bet we would have been 9-7.