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I really think this guy will be the pick if we don't trade down. Fits a need + biggest name/immediate impact offensive player available at our spot, and I don't think we can discount how much Ross wants an offensive "face of the franchise" and Sporano and Ireland need immediate production out of the #1 pick.
I keep hearing the emmitt smith comparisons. If we could have an emmitt smith in the backfield, I'd take that over an OL or another D player. Perfect world, we drop down 3-4 spots, pick up another 3d and still get him. Then maybe package our 2 3ds for a 2d and 5th?
We've rehashed this I know, but there is nothing to talk about if you don't want to argue the labor/union issue!!
I think you may be right , only becuase Ireland and Saprano cannot survive another Missed Draft Pick. if they pick Cam Newton and he dives they are Done. Stick a fork in them.
I'm hearing great things about Colin Kaepernick if we can score a second rounder............
I hear ya , and Hope you are right. But would you rather go back to Mr Ross and say, Hey I got ya a decent back.....he went 1200 Yds! We didn't make the playoffs but 1200 yds!We will get them next year!
Or......Cam Newton can't make reads and henne is still our #1. Sorry we didn't make the playoffs. We will get them next year!
Wow I agree 100 percent with Aqua, and Phinsfan on this one.
Why would you want a slow RB at 15? He isnt even fast, elusive? Sure but I want a Chris Johnson, and I will never ever take a RB in the first round, unless his speed is like 4.2 or less.
Ireland is only concerned about next year. A repeat of last year (no playoffs) and he and Sporano are gone. So he is much more likely to pick someone in the first who can step in immediately and play. That makes someone like Ingram, or to a lesser extent a WR or OL the guy. Factor in Ross's desire to have a "marquee" guy on the team, it makes Ingram the most likely pick. If they take a Mallet in the first, he won't play next year and our O will be most likely the same as 2010---if so see ya Ireland and Sporano. And that QB won't be the next regiem's "guy" so could be a wasted pick if they want someone else in there. The only QB Ross may have patience with is Newton b/c of his status and upside--but he won't be there at 15.
Not saying Ingram should be the guy at 15, just that it makes sense based on the FO situtation and our team needs.
INGRAM could outrun any of our current backs. He's a solid RB, no issues, a good receiver, no BS. He appears to be a TEAM-PLAYER and the type of kid that would get to work right away (if he wasnt locked out).
He significantly better than ALL of the 3rd round RB options.
I would NOT BE DIS-APPOINTED AT ALL if he were selected if the following players are off the board...GABBERT, NEWTON, WATT
BUT !!! I would be very tempted to reach for T NATE SOLDER or C/G MIKE POUNCEY
Hear! Hear! to Daytona. Also spot on on Solder and Pouncey. I repeat for the 1,000th time. You pick the best player available at a position of need in the first round.
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Hear! Hear! to Daytona. Also spot on on Solder
> and Pouncey. I repeat for the 1,000th time. You
> pick the best player available at a position of
> need in the first round.
That sounds like great GM fodder/talk. But how has that worked for us the last 10+ years? (AHEM) Ronnie Brown, Jake Long ............. Very solid + players. Did we make a Playoff game? YOU NEED A SIGNAL CALLER. Why is that so hard to understand? But thats easy for us to say becuase its Irelands job on the line. He will pick the SAFEST pick becuase 1 more Pat White and he's getting a Token and dropped off on I95 North.
DaytonaDolfan13 Wrote:
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> INGRAM could outrun any of our current backs.
> He's a solid RB, no issues, a good receiver, no
> BS. He appears to be a TEAM-PLAYER and the type
> of kid that would get to work right away (if he
> wasnt locked out).
>
> He significantly better than ALL of the 3rd round
> RB options.
>
> I would NOT BE DIS-APPOINTED AT ALL if he were
> selected if the following players are off the
> board...GABBERT, NEWTON, WATT
>
> BUT !!! I would be very tempted to reach for T
> NATE SOLDER or C/G MIKE POUNCEY
I bet you 10000 dollars that Williams, and Sheetz could beat Ingram in a race.
Hell Cobbs might be able to take him.
Man Im glad your not the GM. WOW!! Puncy? Really you would take Pouncy in the first lol no MAYBE second, I would take Pouncy in the third.
Also you like Newton. Geesh what thought process goes on in that mind, when you think of these players??????
Is it the hype? The fact that national tv only really talks about the guy's you mentioned?
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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> That sounds like great GM fodder/talk. But how
> has that worked for us the last 10+ years? (AHEM)
> Ronnie Brown, Jake Long ............. Very solid
> + players. Did we make a Playoff game? YOU NEED A
> SIGNAL CALLER. Why is that so hard to understand?
RESPONSE: The logic of your own argument can easily be turned against your conclusion. Some on this board (not me, but some) would say, "(AHEM) Chad Henne. How has THAT WORKED FOR US?????? Did we make a playoff game?"
The draft is always a crap shoot, the only thing you can do is try to upgrade positions but "signal caller" is not any more immune from making the wrong pick or picking someone who ultimately fails than any other position.
I can completely understand taking Ingram. The problem I see is that we don't have a back worth a darn. We do need a QB, but unfortunately there aren't any worth the pick in rd 1. The only other option is trading down, but unless you have a trading partner, then your screwed there too. If we go with the BPA, then I think Ingram. Of course I'm not a GM, nor will I ever be one. Shoot, I thought Leaf was going to be better than Manning
No, A & O, I'm not saying he will be the best player (overall) on the board when we pick. I am just saying that he will be projected as the best RB when we pick. Agree or not, I think RB is a position of need because I don't like our back ups.
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Real Real response: So what is a greater need? offensive line or Quarterback? The Dolphins are cheap. A Number one Lineman in the draft will want millions less then a # 1 QB. I understood what the conversation was about , what I disagree with is your very bad attempts to prove your point. QB has been a posistion of need since Marino retired. Yet the Dolphins have wasted #1 draft picks on Rickey Williams , Ted Ginn, Ronnie Brown, Veron cary, John Avery, all kinds of skill posistions. Where has it gotten us? You keep picking up peoples 3rd stringers, and looking for 2nd round bargains , you get what you pay for.
I don't think $$ factors into it at #15. Any player picked there, regardless of position, will get about the same $. Back when we picked Long at #1, I think $$ factored into it, since Long was willing to sign for less $$ than Ryan.
The bigger factor is getting someone who will produce right away for Ireland and Fist Pump to save their jobs. That's why I think if we stay at 15 the pick is more likely to be a RB (or OL or WR) than anything else.
Lets say that Ingram is the best Running back to be drafted this decade. Lets say he runs for 1800 yds. Ricky did it for us and we still didn't do squat. WE NEED A QUALITY QB!! Thats it! Bottomline. We have tried everything else . The Pat Whites and the Chad hennes slip to the 2nd round for a reason. Does being a 1 st rounder mean you will be great? of course not. But it shows alot of people saw more positives then negatives. A QB the dolphins have no buisness picking anything but with thier first pick, unless they trade down a grab Colin Kapernick later on. Nothing else is acceptable.
TreasureCoast. You are just new on this board. We have had the "How good is Chad Henne, should we get rid of him" discussion on this board ad nauseum DURING THE REGULAR SEASON AND SHORTLY AFTERWARDS. Maybe, you want to discuss this but the rest of us (except Mia1 who is never tired of arguing) don't want to.
There are two camps, one says that we have to draft a QB. We get it that you're in that camp but you're a little too late. We don't argue with each other about that anymore. We know that people like PhinsFans2 take that position. Others believe that we should grab Off. Line first, still others believe that we need a speed receiver first, and a few like me believe we have to replace Ricky and Ronnie. But we've finished those fights.
You talk about the Chad Hennes and the Pat Whites but What we are doing NOW ON THIS BOARD is start from the other person's premise (that we need a QB first or an RB first) and then judge, even given the person's premise, what sense does a particular pick make.
That's why we have the Ryan Mallett y/n, Mark Ingram y/n, etc. threads. What you are supposed to do is evaluate the player, not whether we should pick one from that position. So the question is that if we go that way, what kind of guy is this, not whether we should go that way. That last fight is old and tired.
So please, if you want to fight the "we need a quarterback first" go back to one of the old threads and read up on it. Maybe resurrect one of those threads and put in your input so it will be printed now. But we're all tired of fighting it. It's over, dude. Nobody's going to convince anyone else on which position we need to draft first.
Even I myself really think Off. line is the biggest need but I think we can get well at that position in later rounds. Usually each draft only produces One or Two Elite running backs but produces far more good offensive linemen. So that's why I say again and again
YOU TAKE THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE AT (ONE OF YOUR) POSITIONS OF NEED WHEN YOU PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND.
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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> YOU TAKE THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE AT (ONE OF
> YOUR) POSITIONS OF NEED WHEN YOU PICK IN THE FIRST
> ROUND.
I DO agree with THIS. We've been talking far too long about choosing the BPA and NOT picking for need. The reality is, unless you played in the Superbowl, you're very likely picking for need.
I don't think anyone is saying to take Ingram over a QB if a good one is available. But the concensus top 2 (newton and gabbert) won't be there at 15 and are not even considered close to sure things. The second tier of QBs are considered a reach (not worthy of the pick) at 15---locker, mallet, and the next batch are not even considered 1st rounders (kapernick, ponder). In the face of this reality I don't think you can say we've got to pick a QB at 15 this year just b/c we need one. No one likely to be there is worthy of the pick