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16/22 180+yds 2td 1 int national championship game, I like the guy. The 1 year of big time ball bugs me a bit but what else does he have to prove? I think he is a first round talent,
His sucess in the NFL will have everything to do with his ability to incorporate coachng into his game. It will be the mental aspect that makes or breaks him IMO.
But with that said, he'll NEVER be in the class of PASSERS like Gabbert or Mallett IMO. He's a different kind of player from what I see.
I do not there are any gm's or nfl scouts posting here.
Not sure what some folks see when Newton drops back and let's it go but I am seeing darts that make it to the wr quick and in a hurry. he gets the ball quicker than Gabbert and just as quick as Mallet, I have only seen Gabbert play three times but have seen Mallet at least 10 times over the course of his career. As a passer Cams completion ratio and td to int is pretty good.
I checked out early in the 4th. Newton missed a long TD pass and simple 3 yarder in enzone - both were TD's.
I get the feeling the kid is NOT a slacker like Jamoke Russell. But he's not NFL ready as a big-league PASSER IMO. Nice prospect but will require time on the shelf to ramp up his game.
In terms of immediate plug-and-play, not in the same category as Gabbert and Mallett. Not close...
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The most impressive stat Cam Newton had this year, is 7 times his team was behind in the 4th Qt, and 7 times he lead his team to a come from behind victory and against good teams... That is a quality that most guys with the "it" factor possess. Probably one of the most important qualities for a QB to have IMO.
After last night here is what I think about Newton:
-Newton definitely has a strong arm. But not a rocket by NFL standards.
-He is a little less of a 'run first' guy than the highlight reels would have you to believe.
-Big and strong, but so are NFL linebackers
-Found open receivers sometimes under pressure but lets face facts...they were WIDE-E-OPEN. This doesn't happen a lot in the NFL. I didn't see anything pro or con to judge NFL-level accuracy by.
-Seems a good field leader.
The long and the short is, last night really didn't give me much to go on as far as Cam Newton's translation to the NFL.
Kind of felt sorry for the Ducks. They played well and if they had adjusted offensively a little earlier they may be celebrating today. Thomas out passed Newton as it was and if he hadn't been running for his life most of the night, who knows what his stats would have been. The Oregon receivers were FAST.
Two super defensive efforts though! Anyone like any of the defenders as lower round draft prospects?
From what I saw (and it wasn't much) I wouldn't move up to get Newton but if he fell to us @ #15 I would take him. Like someone else said (A&O or Phinsfan2?) he seems to be a little bit more of a risk/reward type of player. I would move up to get Mallet or Gabbert though but i'm not even sure how high i'd be willing to go to get them, maybe Dallas's #9 pick if they slid? If the scouts/Ireland/Sparano are completely sold maybe as high as #6?
There was one play that made me think he is indeed NFL ready, and I believe it was his second TD pass of the evening. The play I'm referring to was the one in which his receiver ran a wheel route to get past the linebacker covering him to basically jog into the end-zone.
It is obvious that the guy can run, and we all know that. However, on that play he showed that he has everything else necessary to succeed as well.
He stood tall in the pocket and kept his eyes down field, allowing the play to develop without trying to rush it. He moved well in a tight space, and he shifted his feet just enough to avoid the rush without feeling the need to take off. He then threw a nice touch pass to hit his wide open receiver in stride.
Very few college players are perfect, so in a sense they are all projects, but this guy impressed me. He can run. He can move well in small spaces. He has a sense of the defenders around him, and good presence. He has a strong arm, and with some tweaks to his mechanics he can probably become a bit more accurate.
Cam shows enough in the passing game to make me a believer. He drops back, reads and thows nice tight passes do not stay in the air long. He takes time and read he is not quick to use his feet He is a good qb. Even on the pass where he under threw the receiver in the end zone the ball went thru the wr hands. The WR should have made that catch. The commentators were like Cam screwed up but that was a catchable ball.
Plus he did it all with more distractions around him and surrounding him then any College player in history...That shows me He can handle the pressure and perform better then anyone despite the odds were stacked in favor of him breaking down or letting it all get to him... It didn't....