Thats right to me the perfect trade sceanario would be trade down in the draft, then trade a Hartline, and the acquired first round pick for either.

A: Miles Austin, or B: Vincent Jackson.

Isn't V Jax a FA after this year?.......and by the way no thanks on a 1st for a WR......unless he could play QB also.

Not sure if he is then YEAHHHHH he is our man in the offseason.

If we continue to be cheap and don't acquire him, then Austin alllllll day baby!!!

Just saying... Who's gonna chuck the rock to those WR's?

Ronnie brown?

You guys really down on Hartline?

Isn't he from THE Ohio State?

Agree with the nasty fish. We need to retool the backfield via the draft or FA and find a QB. Henne has not shown he can do it consistently or in crunch time

I would take a flier on Terrel Pryor if he enters. Things can not be much worse than what Chad henne has done

QB first

Why would you want to get rid of Hartline when he's a proven deep threat? It's not his fault his QB isn't top tier and his OC won't trust Henne to throw him the deep ball. Hartline has one of the, if not the, highest YPC in the league. He's fast, can catch, produces when his number is actually called, and best of all he isn't breaking our bank when the cap comes back.

Worst idea I have ever heard.

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Hartline/Marshall/Bess looks like a very good trio of WRs from where I am sitting.

I think WR is the least of this team's problems. Dan Henning blaming offensive woes on lack of speed is a joke. Here's a hint, Dan, nobody is going to get open when you send out TWO RECEIVERS in a pattern against a 4 man rush.

Mia1 Wrote:
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> Thats right to me the perfect trade sceanario
> would be trade down in the draft, then trade a
> Hartline, and the acquired first round pick for
> either.
>
> A: Miles Austin, or B: Vincent Jackson.

You have it all wrong..

If Henne continues to struggle into next season we could have both these guys and we would still not be a contender, no point in trading for another WR unless you have good consistent play from your QB.

Let's just draft a QB in the 1st round, that would be our best move imo.

We messed up by letting Anthony Armstrong go. We are a speed guy away from being a pretty good unit.

The problem is Henning/Henne. But, no need to go there.

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> We messed up by letting Anthony Armstrong go. We
> are a speed guy away from being a pretty good
> unit.
>
> The problem is Henning/Henne. But, no need to go
> there.

If not for Ginn we probably would have kept Armstrong. Armstrong got caught in a numbers game, and there was no way we were going to our #9 pick walk.

Ginn is at fault again, huh!?

Why can't it just be a coaching mistake?

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Ginn is at fault again, huh!?
>
> Why can't it just be a coaching mistake?

It was a GM mistake (keeping Ginn instead of Armstrong). It's not Ginn's fault that he was drafted #9.

Poor Teddy Bear.

Even though he's gone he's not really gone.

He obviously touched a lot of hearts...

Ginn sucks.



That is all.

Now that was a very insightful post...

Many of us had pondered that and now we know.

Cool, glad I could help.

Miles Austin is a faster Hartline, Just saying if he was available at the right price chaching!!!

If Jackson is a FA then we need to acquire that man's talent, his first game back, and he tops the 100 yard mark with three TD'S lol...

It really wasnt his first game back though.

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to Roy Williams.

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I agree No to Roy, mostly because he would be to espensive, what about Jackson???

Not only is he (for some unknown reason) expensive, he has never lived up to any ability/hype.

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Odenn Wrote:
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> Hartline has one of the,
> if not the, highest YPC in the league.

Desean Jackson averages more than 8 yards per catch more than Hartline. Mike Wallace averages 6 more yards per catch. Our old practice squad guy, Anthony Armstrong, averages 5 more yards per catch. There are 25 players with at least 28 catches who average more yards per catch than Hartline. 14.3 yards per catch for Hartline looks good on our team, but it's definitely not a deep threat when compared to other guys around the league. Hartline is sneaky fast, but he always gets caught from behind.

The main issue with our WR corps is that Marshall and Bess do not compliment each other. They are both possession receivers. Marshall averages 12 yards per catch for his career, and a TD every 14 catches. Those are not the stats of a big play WR. For his career, he averages about 4 yards after the catch. So, the average pass to him covers 8 yards in the air. He's not a downfield guy. And obviously, neither is Bess. Both are guys that do their best work within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. What we've done is made it incredibly easy for opposing defenses to match up with us. They cheat the safeties into the box. This helps them stuff the run, and it makes it easier for them to help double cover Bess and Marshall on the underneath routes. It really clogs that area within 10 yards. And that's our bread and butter.

Vincent Jackson would have been a much better fit for our offense. His skill set offers more of what we need. And he would draw double coverage deep, opening things up underneat for Bess.

Sooooooo this offseason we go out and make Marshall, who EVERYBODY was screaming for, the highest paid WR in the NFL....Now you want to go sign Vincent Jackson, who is also going to want a boatload of cash, probably more than Marshall if for no other reason than ego. So we can have the 2 highest paid WR in the league and they will run down the field all day and never see the ball because we don't have a QB that will look off of his primary target from the moment he walks to the line to the moment the ball leaves his fingertips.