Chyren, i've been right there with you defending Henne all along buddy, but after the last 2 weeks I just cant do it anymore. He is so frustrating to watch because he can look so good on some throws and so fricking bad on others. I was really hoping for 3 strong games to finish out the season to put all this "moving up and drafting another QB" talk to bed, but I think I just jumped on the Phinsfan band-wagon.

I feel you Dolphaholic. I feel you with this game. He did bad. But I just can't help but think that all the criticism has changed his throwing style, and for the worse.

But I myself was pissed when he kept looking to throw in some situations when a run by him would have been advantageous to our team.

Maybe the best thing for him would be to trade him for a draft choice because I don't think he is going to progress on this team.

I think we have screwed him up and I'll bet that the next team he goes to the following will happen.......


Coach on New Team to Henne: Can't you throw any harder than that?


Henne: But I don't want to throw it TOO HARD.


Coach on New Team: Why not? We've got people who can catch the ball.

Henne: But not if I throw it TOO HARD.

Coach on New Team: They are being paid to catch the ball. You just do your part and, unless they are two feet away, throw the ball as hard and fast as you need to get it to them without it being knocked down by a defender. You do your job and let the receivers do their job.

Finally someone sticking up for Henne!!!

Henne is not the problem!!! I have been yelling all season for them to let Henne get involved in the game early and get in the flow of the game. You saw today when that happens he can rip off 10+ consecutive completions. The problem lies in the fact every time that has happened they take him out of the game. Henne is the real deal!!! We just need to get better at calling the plays for the players we have and let him be the leader instead of doing that STUPID 1 1/2 yard wildcat play up the middle at the most ridiculous times.

Some of you speak of QB being our first draft pick have lost your minds.

If they change the rules and make it where we can draft an OC as our first pick I am for that!

I'm right with you, ChyrenB. I still haven't seen Henne as the problem. It's almost as if Henning is trying to make Henne look bad.

OK, so to recap from the article that I linked to above.

Dolphins have the ball at the 32 yard line, 2 minutes left. Henne throws only his second incompletion in the last 15 attempts, a ball that Ricky can't quite haul in.

2nd and 10. Dolphins line up in the wildcat. The Bills defenders think to themselves, "they are playing for the field goal, because that's what they do." So, see, it's not just us fans that think that. Even the opponents think the same thing. They recognize the play from the formation and stop it for a one yard gain. Interestingly, it was the 3rd time we ran it. It worked for a 6 yard TD the first time, and netted 2 yards total the next 2 times. Hmmm, the defense adjusted. Interesting concept. And that play goes behind Murtha, easily the worst linemen out there, on either team. He didn't even make a good block on the TD run. The Wildcat is not a good play call on 2nd and 10. As bad as we have been at it this season, there is too much of a chance for it to be little or no gain. And in that situation, you really need at least a 5 yard gain, to give yourself a reasonable 3rd down.

3rd and 9. The Bills say they know that if they take a shot deep, they go max protect because of the offensive line issues they have, and they only send out two guys into the pattern. The Bills recognize the play, and they double Marshall deep, taking way the first option. That leaves Bess as the only other receiver in the pattern, and he is well covered by Florence.

End result, a 48 yard FG attempt.

Think about that sequence. The defense totally knew what we were doing. And they are not the first defense to say they could easily recognize our plays based on situations and formations. And on 3rd and 9, in a must win game, at crunch time, we called a play that sent out two receivers into the pattern. And one of those is a guy who is guaranteed to be double or triple covered on every play. That is the situation we put our QB into. I'm sorry, but if this is our system, I don't see how you can pass judgement on Henne.

And if you see Henne's comments after the game, on the last desperation drive, that was a called play to Ricky. They wanted to him underneath and have him run out of bounds. That was a plan!

And in Marshall's comments, he said that Henne did fine with "the plays that were called." And he pointed out that opposing defenses have done a great job scheming against their offense. Maybe he's not hinting anything here, but it sounds like he's suggesting the Fins don't do a good job of scheming on offense.

The question some are asking is how did Henne regressed so much. Last year in his first season as as starter showed some promise. I can remember when Rex Ryan and his defense said that the Jets made Henne looked like Dan Marino. We blame Henne (and rightfully so) but the entire offense has regressed including the line play, the running backs. Everyone on the offense has regressed so does Henne take the blame for that as well.

CG Wrote:
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> The question some are asking is how did Henne
> regressed so much. Last year in his first season
> as as starter showed some promise. I can remember
> when Rex Ryan and his defense said that the Jets
> made Henne looked like Dan Marino. We blame Henne
> (and rightfully so) but the entire offense has
> regressed including the line play, the running
> backs. Everyone on the offense has regressed so
> does Henne take the blame for that as well.

Yep, and I blame him for the chilly weather at the Game also, and the fact that the Popcorn at the game got stuck in my teeth....

CG Wrote:
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> The question some are asking is how did Henne
> regressed so much. Last year in his first season
> as as starter showed some promise. I can remember
> when Rex Ryan and his defense said that the Jets
> made Henne looked like Dan Marino. We blame Henne
> (and rightfully so) but the entire offense has
> regressed including the line play, the running
> backs. Everyone on the offense has regressed so
> does Henne take the blame for that as well.


In 2010, Henne is completing a higher percentage of passes than in 2009. He is averaging 6.9 yards per attempt in 2010, versus 6.4 in 2009. And his QB rating is higher in 2010 than in 2009. He's thrown more TD in 2010, in fewer attempts. So, how much he has regressed is very debatable.

In 2009, we averaged 4.4 yards per rush. In 2010, we are averaging 3.7 yards per rush. That is a huge, huge dropoff. With 2 games to go, we have 800 fewer rushing yards than in 2009.

from profootballfocus.com
In 2009, we allowed 104 QB hits or pressures, in 16 games. In 2010, we've allowed 124 QB hits or pressures, in 13 games.

In 2009, our overall run blocking was a +56.0, and our pass blocking was a +43.2. In 2010, our run blocking is a -23.0, and our pass blocking is a +18 (and +13 of that is solely Jake Long).

It is not difficult to see where the regression really is. Everything starts with the line. And the line has been atrocious in 2010.

Yes, the entire section I was sitting in at the game was screaming "WTF" on our last posession when with 20 or so second left left we throw underneath routes for little or no gain...everyone was screaming for plays down the field or at least a single hail mary attempt but the coaches thought two yard routes was a better plan...go figure.

Henne sucks ass!! End of story.

Defending him makes you look like someone who doesnt have a clue about QB play.

Big deal that he completed 9 in a row... most of those were check down panic throws.

Its the clutch play and throws that Henne continues to struggle with miserably. I dont give a crap if he can complete 10 4yd passes in a row, big deal!!

Look at a prevent defense. A QB looks great throwing passes, but you come to realize they are only three and four yard passes. Most of Henne's passes are to a back who has not even made it to the line of scrimmage.

The entire offense was a piece of crap.

Henning's play calling was completely senile.

Henne's accuracy was off, he was timid in the pocket and never took command.

Marshall was a big target, but never got down field and he was a total head case.

Hartline runs great routes, but let balls hit him right in the hands and dropped them.

Running Backs (all of them) looked their age and they were just non-existent.

O-Line was a revolving door with injuries and poor play.

Bess was the only shining spot, but he is a possession receiver and with size and speed will only be that.

The lack of offense is a systemic problem. Its failure is attributable to a combination of flaws.

1. Inept coaching
2. Less than skillful players
3. Lack of confidence in each other's ability
4. Overriding attitude that failure will be the bottom line

All of leads to poor execution.

If you start at the coaching level--something is amiss there. The players, with few exceptions on the offensive line, play poorly on run blocking and pass blocking (we've seen no blocks, missed blocks, being over run etc, all too often). Henne at QB or Thigpen at QB has reflected this as well as exposed their own flaws. With constant failure on offense there is a mental let down and that lack of confidence finally turns into an attitude of failure.

Henne has proven to me that he lacks the right stuff to become a good QB. I'll leave it at that. The offensive line needs the injection of a very good center, right guard and right tackle. Vernon Carey should be traded, and the team needs to acquire a veteran guard and center who can pass and run block effectively and consistently. We need a second TE that can block and catch. We need one more big playmaker at WR to go along with Marshall.

Not a tall order, but a challenge, none-the-less.

Finally, the offensive coordinator needs to be replaced along with his assistants. Sparano needs to go too for not taking corrective action.

They have coaching issues, welcome the cowher years next year. It's all about big names for Ross. Tebow we might see also

dolfan1 Wrote:
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> They have coaching issues, welcome the cowher
> years next year. It's all about big names for
> Ross. Tebow we might see also


Do you really think Denver is going to give up Tebow? #1 selling jersey, guy actually played pretty well in his first start. If anything, looks to me like they'd keep him and dump Orton.

"So we knew two things. One, Henne wouldn't be holding the ball long on most plays. And, two, if they were going to throw medium or long, they'd have maximum protection and only send two guys out."

That sums it up right there.

FIRE HENNING FIRE HENNING FIRE HENNING FIRE HENNING FIRE HENNING!!!!