I have been on a roller coster since we lost back to back against the jets and pats in week 3-4, hoping wondering do we have a chance to get into the playoffs. We lost to the steeler and ravens and we were still not dead yet. We were still mathematically alive. We lose to the browns and dammit we still have a pulse. Now we are officially fried and I can get off the coaster.

This lost has exposed that our offense is ultra conservative and the coaching staff is to blame, asking a kicker to kick a 60, 53 48 and 48 yard field goals in fairly windy conditions is inexcusible.

In the end we played for a tie if that dosen't get Sparano fired what will simply inexcusable.

Well, when you are put so high on a pedestal and then you are asked to make a 48 yard field goal (and remember that's only 2 yards from a 50 yarder) and you are HUMAN, there is bound to be a little choke.

But the rest of the team, including Henne, sucked so I'm not going to get down on the guy who has been our entire offense for the whole year even if he had a lousy (should I say lousy for missing two 48 yarders and a 61 yarder?) game.

NO! You make plays you are ASKED to make. You don't MAKE THEM then you CAN'T be here...

This goes for all, but D.Carpenter blew it today.

BYE

Tough audience.

If you blame this loss on Carp, you didn't watch the same football game the rest of us watched.

Fleetlord Wrote:
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> NO! You make plays you are ASKED to make. You
> don't MAKE THEM then you CAN'T be here...
>

Is Carpenter the only one on the squad who failed to make the plays he is asked to make?


> This goes for all, but D.Carpenter blew it today.
>
> BYE


Carpenter did blow it *today*, but he's been absolutely awesome with the exception of today.

perhaps had he not been so dependable all season our offensive game plan would not be"OK GUYS LETS GO OUT THERE AND DRIVE INTO FIELD GOAL RANGE.....barely!!!"

Offense played to what the defense would give them. That's football folks..

You can only work with what you can get...

The sitautions called for field goals. The coaching staff called in the specialist player to EXECUTE. The player failed to EXECUTE...

Why is that acceptable?

i disagree with you on carpenter but thats not even the point...why is it(or maybe its just me) but does it not seem like as soon as we get remotely into FG range we shut down the offence and go for the FG...to be honest with you at this point i wouldnt be shocked for us to start kicking FGs on 2nd and third down as soon as we are somewhat in range

Carpenter was off Today, I wasn't even upset with that, with all the other Crap that was like getting sprayed with a squirt gun during a down pour...

I was at the game today and had a very good view of the field and what was going on...Henne didn't play badly today except for the ball he forced in which got picked, that was 100% Henne's fault. A thing I noticed all day is that our recivers were not getting open except for underneath routes the vast majority of the time.

Our running game was pathetic except for a couple of plays, Carpenter had a very bad game, the defense was way too lose in coverage all day and we got very little solid pressure on the Bills QB.

The biggest issue was a lack of fire in the players...they were standing around as if they were on the street corner. There was very little passion or intensity and the playcalling and rhythm of the game called by Henning was terrible.

The fans were there and they were loud...Henning should be fired tonight and Sparano should be called in Ross's office and given an ultimatum for the last two games...pick it up drastically or be replaced.

Lastly, Mike Nolan should be promoted immediately to assistant head coach and given a pay raise in order to keep him.

Ken Wrote:
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> I was at the game today and had a very good view
> of the field and what was going on...Henne didn't
> play badly today except for the ball he forced in
> which got picked, that was 100% Henne's fault. A
> thing I noticed all day is that our recivers were
> not getting open except for underneath routes the
> vast majority of the time.
>



Did you not see the Late Over throw deep in the first quarter wide open and missed? did you not see the throws behind Rec? the throws over the heads of the Rec? I was at the Game, guess my view was better... Heene started to look good in the 4th quarter but other then that it was awful, He held the ball to long he is starting to pat the ball before his throws so that tells the D when he is going to throw so If I was on D it is time to stick my hands up that contributes to all the tipped passes, The D Backs see him looking one way pat the ball now they know where he is going with the ball, throws into double and triple coverage, I was actually a big fan of his to start the year, I fell of that Band wagon.... He makes some great Throws but too many bad ones mixed in, and has a bad decision in every game, those cost you games and seasons.... I realy hope he can turn this around, I figure he will be with this team next year even if we draft a QB...

60-53-48-48 yard field goal attempts in windy conditions That's like a pro basketball team shooting from half-court the whole game !!!

rick1355 Wrote:
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> 60-53-48-48 yard field goal attempts in windy
> conditions That's like a pro basketball team
> shooting from half-court the whole game !!!


Yup...improbable 3-point shots in both cases

They showed the wind conditions in the beginning of the game and it was terrible.

Fleetlord Wrote:
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> Offense played to what the defense would give
> them. That's football folks..
>
> You can only work with what you can get...
>
> The sitautions called for field goals. The
> coaching staff called in the specialist player to
> EXECUTE. The player failed to EXECUTE...
>
> Why is that acceptable?

LOL, yeah ok buddy. That wasn't exactly the Steelers defense we were playing. Our offense plays for field goals and in this case very long field goals. That's pathetic.

SouthFlPhinFan Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was at the game today and had a very good
> view
> > of the field and what was going on...Henne
> didn't
> > play badly today except for the ball he forced
> in
> > which got picked, that was 100% Henne's fault.
> A
> > thing I noticed all day is that our recivers
> were
> > not getting open except for underneath routes
> the
> > vast majority of the time.
> >
>
>
>
> Did you not see the Late Over throw deep in the
> first quarter wide open and missed?

Re: Yes, that throw was right in front of me. I agree Henne has to hit that throw. However quite a lot of quarterbacks, great one's even miss deep occasionally.

did you not
> see the throws behind Rec? the throws over the
> heads of the Rec?

RE: Yes I did see some high throws and some off target throws however if the receiver catches the ball then it can't be too bad of a throw.

I was at the Game, guess my view
> was better... Heene started to look good in the
> 4th quarter but other then that it was awful, He
> held the ball to long

RE: He was holding the ball because the receivers were not getting open except for the underneath routes...I was paying particular attention to the recivers as they ran their routes.

he is starting to pat the
> ball before his throws so that tells the D when he
> is going to throw so If I was on D it is time to
> stick my hands up that contributes to all the
> tipped passes,

RE: I didn't see any of that but when I rewatch the game on TV I will be sure to watch for it.

The D Backs see him looking one way
> pat the ball now they know where he is going with
> the ball, throws into double and triple coverage,

RE: I agree he forces the ball at time and he did that yestarday...but he's a young player and a lot of them do that altough it does have to stop.

> I was actually a big fan of his to start the year,
> I fell of that Band wagon.... He makes some great
> Throws but too many bad ones mixed in, and has a
> bad decision in every game, those cost you games
> and seasons.... I realy hope he can turn this
> around, I figure he will be with this team next
> year even if we draft a QB...

RE: Agreed.

Did you not see the Late Over throw deep in the
> first quarter wide open and missed?

Re: Yes, that throw was right in front of me. I agree Henne has to hit that throw. However quite a lot of quarterbacks, great one's even miss deep occasionally.


I totally agree, how can we expect Henne to connect on a 50 yard pass when he can't connect from 10 yards. You're absolutely correct. How dare us to think that he can make such a throw. Dude get over it, Henne is Garbage! Yes yes our OC is caca but our QB is diarrhea

Comp--Att--Pct--Yds--Avg--TD--Int--Sck--SckY--Rate
33----45---73.3-276--6.1--1---1----3----15----86.9

Guys, I realize that there is a lot of frustration and disapointment surrounding the Phins this season and I am definately part of that crowd along with all of you.

And I have said many times this season that Henne has to do a better job and he does...but I also realize that there are a lot of positions on this team that also have to do better jobs too.

However if you take all of those feelings, push them aside and take an objective look at Henne's numbers from yesterdays game you will find that he didn't play a terrible game.

Lets all face it, for a team supposedly constructed to run the ball, to attempt 45 passes against the worst run defense in the league is bad game planning and bad game management. That begins and ends at the top, with Sparano and Henning. Henne is doing what thay are telling him to do, yes sometimes he screws it up, sometimes badly, young players do that. IMHO, Our coaches expect Henne to make perfect throws as far as placement, touch and timing goes and thats just not realistic on each and every throw.

Henne did enough to win this game ...but the distrurbing thing to me is a 6.1 yard per attempt average when you are throwing the ball 45 times is way too low. Our offense is simply too conservative as we have ALL been saying all year and the coaches don't seem to get that.

Henne completed 73.3 percent of his passes...that isn't bad, he threw for 276 yards...that isn't bad either. The one INT was bad however, that was a ball that never should have been thrown and Henne simply forced it in...that almost never works and its his fault entirely.

Our margin for error is so small that any mistake at all is a disaster for the offense...thats the fault of the coaching staff primarily.

The fact is our defense was playing decent, why not play field position and pin them deep. I understand that carpenter was struggling in pregame kicks because of the win. Missing field goals that long gives them the ball anywhere from our 40-45 yard line. That is like a 30 yard return on a kick off. We should have been more aggressive on offense or punted the ball if they want to be that conservative...

I rick, i love the three pointer example, that is sooo right.

ghotirule Wrote:
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> That 50 yard pass was stupid. The commentator
> pointed out that you want to throw deep passes
> like that to WRs that you have been practicing
> with.
>
> We throw it to a guy who has been on the team all
> of three days.
>
> Henning probably thought Curtis has been on the
> team for the past three season.

Henne is grabbing at straws. His days are numbered. Bye bye ass wipe

Quote:

"Henne is grabbing at straws. His days are numbered. Bye bye wipe"


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I hope his days are numbered as our *STARTER*, but I honestly hope he sticks around as our backup.

I think Pennington taught him alot behind the scenes when it comes to breaking down film, and I think he is a good backup.

But, he is not starting QB material.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Quote:
>
> "Henne is grabbing at straws. His days are
> numbered. Bye bye wipe"
>
>
> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
> I hope his days are numbered as our *STARTER*, but
> I honestly hope he sticks around as our backup.
>
> I think Pennington taught him alot behind the
> scenes when it comes to breaking down film, and I
> think he is a good backup.
>
> But, he is not starting QB material.

I agree

The kicker must make clutch kicks, or get replaced.

Carpenter doesnt have the leg to consistantly make anything over 44 yards.

How he made the 60 yarder was a miracle.

You can not miss 4 fg's I don't care what the range is, one ok two understanable 3 no, 4 hell no, your fired.

Add kicker to the list of offseason pick ups, go after one in the 4th or 5th round.

THey asked him to kick 50-63 yard field goals behind the wind gust from Jet engines.

Did you actually watch the game??

Dont make stupid assessments if you didnt watch the game.

Sparano is to blame for actually *ATTEMPTING* those FG's.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"