BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Listen dude, I think Carson is a discounted
> commodity right now and if we could get him at a
> bargain price I like the concept. The problem is
> we have no clue how viable that idea is -- so we
> can’t put that in the bank as a sure fire
> answer.

> It’s a speculation at best.

Well, obviously. I assume that we all realize this most salient of points. For, as much as we like to dream the dream, the Dolphins are not out of it at all, and may yet, dare I say it, go on to win the SB, with Chad Henne, who knows, overcoming incredible odds.

Yes, we’re just speculating, and arguing too, shootin da sheet, as it were.

Anyway, Carson being a viable idea is as much, I would suppose, as somehow moving up in the draft to get Cam Newton, which, I’m sure, is the Dolphins wet dream, lol.

And if the Dolphins somehow get Cam Newton, no way they’re drafting another QB later in the same draft. No effin way.


> At age 30 Carson would be a HUGE upgrade over what
> we have now IMO.

Exactly, that’d probably get the Dolphins damn close to a title (all things pertaining).


> Plus that would give us time to draft and develop
> the long term solution, and also put Henne back in
> the oven to cook some more. But there’s also a
> good likelihood we’d trade Henne in such a
> scenario to offset the Cason deal and give proper
> attention to the new young QB’s.

Yep, you got it. Then the question would be, who would want Henne, and how much would they give for him? It’d have to be to some QB guru guy that wants to try and develop him, like say to Washington, maybe get a #3, who knows, maybe a 5. He’s got a really good arm, Henne, that’s what’s scary, maybe a few years behind Carson, who knows. They’re kinda similar, maybe Henne would learn something, or jell, or whatever.

But, it’d hurt like hell if Henne goes somewhere and excels. Gawd that’d suck. Plus, the back up position would be open, and that’s another quandary altogether.

But, here’s the real point, the Dolphins are, seemingly, a QB away from being a bonafide contender. Jeeeze. They find one, and look out. They’ll probably still need more acquisitions to take the title, but not much more.



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ghotirule Wrote:
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> No, Henne wouldn't have thrown that last INT,
> cause we would not have been in OT, we would have
> lost 28-7 with Golden Boy laughing and eating a
> hot dog on the sidelines while his groupies busily
> made lists of who was to blame.
>
> That is ridiculous. We've lost by more than one
> score only twice this year. Once was the NE game,
> and I doubt anyone would have dug us out of the
> hole the STs put us in. The other was the Ravens
> game, which Henne played horrible.
>
> But Hennes other 3 losses were all within a score,
> and all ended the same way Straubs did, with an
> INT on the final drive.


My point was Henne has not shown the play making ability to have brought us back like Straub did last night. Insert Henne in that game at half time and the Ravens win going away. He is at best (like you have said) a caretaker.

Henne, Solia, and a 4th rounder is going to Titans for Vince Young after season. You heard it first

sigkash i will give you $10,000 if that happens. if it doesn't happen, you give me $25.

that is never going to happen.

seadevil

Glad you agree on the speculation.

Perhaps you’re right on CN. Depending where we end up (most likely a few ticks above mid-pack) we’ll be slightly out of the target range. Or maybe there are a few other rock chuckers worth considering at that point? I’ll leave that to the draft guru’s and their prognostication gazing globes.

I’m betting Carson would love to get out of that zoo he plays in and reinvigorate his career in the sun. On paper it looks like a wonderful potential marriage.

I don’t think there’s a fool GM in the league that would give us a 3rd for Henne. But I’d jump on that pony if it happened to walk by. A 5th is just a get-out-of-town ticket and I’d consider using Henne on the scout team with an offer like that. But that may be too much for the kids psyche to handle. Probably better for all parties to get a divorce and move on.

You make a point that I’ve been making a number of times. Specifically if we had high-level QB play on this team we’d be right in the middle of the hunt.

Put Palmer with Marshall and Bess and Hartline (who wouldn’t have gotten injured trying to catch one of Henne’s off-target missiles) with Ronnie and Ricky and Fasano et al and suddenly… Well YOU get the picture.

As far as Henne turning up somewhere else and lighting it up… Well, how’s Ginn doing?
Forgive my sarcasm but that’s a really big reach IMO. But like you say it’s a possibility, but not a plausibility IMO. If Henne goes bye bye – I wish him good luck and blah blah.

I agree this team is NOT that far away. But the QB position is like a giant mountain. And when you ain’t got one the uphill climb is almost impossible.

Good thing we play at sea level.

Wannyblows34 Wrote:
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> The fact is, Henne will be the QB next year
>
> So I'm guessing you guys are satisfied with our QB
> performance right?

RE: No, he needs to play better...but the people ariund him need to play better too...that way the entire unit plays better.
>
> There's absolutely nothing wrong with Henne's
> development, he's right on track you say?

RE: No, hes developing slowly...its also not that uncommon. But better offensive talent and a better scheme should help to migigate the stagnation Henne's currently showing.
>
> Now we're blaming the weather for his horrific
> play right and the OC right?

RE: Like it or not weather can be a major factor...and since Sanchez also had a miserble day I'd say that it was.
>
> Wow, whatever happened to accountability?

RE: Its still there but knee jerk decisions are never a good idea.

So now
> it's everyone else's fault that this guy just flat
> out sucks!

RE: Partly, yes.

But you guys think he still needs more
> time?

RE: Because he does.

More time to what?

RE: To develop and to benefit from better players around him...Marshall has not been, and won't be enough.

What this guy needs is a
> real QB standing next to him in practice that's
> really going to challenge him for the starting
> job, that's what he needs. Don't give him the job,
> make him earn it!!!

RE: I agree, competition is a good thing.

He has no competition, and
> stop comparing him to Sanchez, different QB's,
> different teams, different situation. If that's
> the case then you can compare any player on any
> team.
>
> Stop trying to justify his poor play. When other
> players play bad we nail them, so what's the
> difference with Henne?

RE: The difference with Henne is that he himeself is not responsible for the offense woes...he has had a lot of help in achieveing our lack luster results. That is why he needs and deserves more time and quality help.

>
> When Gibril Wilson was missing every tackle and
> Ginn was dropping passes a year ago, everyone
> wanted their asses out of here.

RE: Not everyone wanted Ginn out of here.

> The QB position has been the weakest position all
> year long and people are still defending this guy
> like if he was the #1 overall pick in the draft or
> something.

RE: Even if he was...people would still be proclaiming him a bust and that he's had enough time...fact is less than two seasons as a starter isn't enough given the other woes this team is living with.

Please, he's no better than anyother QB
> on our long list. So get over it, we need another
> arm!

RE: Yes I agree, but as competition not as an out of the box replacement.

SigKash Wrote: Henne, Solia, and a 4th rounder is going to Titans for Vince Young after season. You heard it first

That's funny. VY will never play for this regime. They ain't that stupid.

I would throw up.

Young is not an NFL QB. He is not better than Henne.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

VY is a mental disease type "player." He would propagate a meme and absolutely ruin the chemistry (i.e., "culture" this regime has worked to install.

But he might be OK in the WC. Hummm.

NOT.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> I would throw up.
>
> Young is not an NFL QB. He is not better than
> Henne.


For once we agree on a QB

SigKash Wrote:
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> Henne, Solia, and a 4th rounder is going to Titans
> for Vince Young after season. You heard it first


Might be the funniest thing i've read on here in a while.

hahah, glad I am not the only one that hopes it doesn't go down. I live in Nashville but hate the Titans, mainly because I can't root for a slack-ass QB. If they go after him, I will have to change teams.

Leon In Denver Wrote:
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> ChyrenB,
> "BTW, if you want to see a quarterback that cost
> his team the game, then look at Matt Straub
> against the Ravens"
>
> Did you watch the game or just the last play?
>
> Straub was great. Especially in the second half.
> Led his team 99 yards for a touch and then about
> another 90 yard touchdown drive. Then completed
> the 2 point conversion. He was great. To bad for
> that last throw. Amazing what a QB can do with
> great receivers.
> I'd take him on our team in a heart beat!


RESPONSE: I respectfully disagree. Until now I thought of him as a competent journeyman QB. But that interception really rattled me. Anyway, I said that this was an example of the QB costing his team the game.

I didn't say that he sucked so bad throughout the game that he cost his team the game.

Unlight the other people arguing with me on this board, I only say that if the other elements of the team are performing perfectly and this one component sucks.

My statement was part satire. Those people to which I just referred who blame Henne for losing to Cleveland and not beating a 9-2 team by a greater margin than we did are the ones saying "He lost us the game."

My satirical statement was "NOW THAT'S LOSING YOUR TEAM THE GAME."

After that throw, the game was over. Can that be disputed? So don't talk about anyone "losing a game" unless it is that dramatic.

My point is that Straub can flat out play and saying he lost the game because of that last throw, well the throw caused a score that lost it but the team lost the game.

I'll take Straub or another like him in a heart beat. I'm not a Henne hater but based on his performance this year I'm not sure he will ever become as good as Straub. I'm just flat out tired of making excuses for the guy. Time to show up or get the hell out of Dodge.

I really want to see Henne perform like a real QB. Make good choices throughout the game and put the ball on the money. I also want to see our receivers make some big plays and catch the freaking rock even when it's not right on the money.

Dam, I'm spending way to much time on this subject.

That's it Leon. Get focking pissed off. We have a right to be pissed based on the rotten eggs Henne has been laying.

Of course, that's only because of...(((drum roll))

THE ENTIRE TEAM and coaching staff.

Thank god we've got a golden boy like Henne!

Go Henne!

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> That's it Leon. Get focking pissed off. We have a
> right to be pissed based on the rotten eggs Henne
> has been laying.
>
> Of course, that's only because of...(((drum
> roll))
>
> THE ENTIRE TEAM and coaching staff.
>
> Thank god we've got a golden boy like Henne!
>
> Go Henne!
>
>
I have to say that I don't agree with you completely, but some of your posts are at least entertaining.

Now aren't you tired of the Henne crap? What about the rest of the team?

Quote from Leon in Denver:

"saying he lost the game because of that last throw, well the throw caused a score that lost it but the team lost the game"



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Really!? Wow....that sounds egggggzactly like what a handful of people around here have said of the eerily similar play of our own Dolphins.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"



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Leon In Denver Wrote: I have to say that I don't agree with you completely, but some of your posts are at least entertaining.

Now aren't you tired of the Henne crap? What about the rest of the team?


I agree Leon, Henne is crap. But there's a lot to like otherwise.

Here's a list of dudes I like on this team.

Jake - tho he is NOT the dominating player we was (driving asses 5 yards downfield into the dirt). I hope his soldered shoulder holds up.

Ronnie - gradually getting his burst back. Once again, not the player he was b4 injury, but I love his “game” and maybe the best smile on the team.

Joe B – underrated by the kindergarten around here. The dude has done a serviceable job for us and for the most part stayed on the field.

Field also = punter. He’s top shelf.

FG kicker is MVP (Carpenter?)

Fasano – he’s a classic football player. Not spectacular but a winner.

Carey – too fat and lazy. But he looks good at the dinner table.

Vontae – perhaps the dumbest Dolphin is linguistic terms but the dude has game and another great smile.

Sean Smith – a relative of Roberto Duran (get it?) and a kid on the rise. He could be scary.

Soilia – love the development and his light came on. Could be scary if he grows a bit more. On the rise.

Wake – I mean, OMG. Nuff said.

Dansby – best FA acquisition this regime has made. Excellent. Perfect fit.

Polite – love him. We need more tough SOB’s like him. Very impressive person.

Langford – solid. Smart. A very reliable long term dude (no major surgery in college).

Moses – very impressive athlete. I think his light is coming on. Another one who could be scary.

Reshad Jones – it will be really difficult keeping this SOB off the field. Great pick.

The young WR’s in mass – loads of talent and with the right QB, you’ll be SHOCKED!

Brandon M – love him. He’s a serious nasty SOB. Wants to win. He’s getting with the program here. Again, with a QB he’ll be pretty sick.

Kory Sheets (IR) – will have a big impact with outside speed and check-downs. HUGE loss b4 the season IMO. He would have helped Henne more than a rubber python.

Odrick – another surgery fatality but he’s a real specimen. If (???) he recovers and gets ride of the fine china fragility = Terrorist in waiting.

Misi – love his name and he will OUT WORK everyone this offseason. Watch out for him next year. The dude loves to break bones and he will…

Nolan Carroll – looked amazing early in training camp. Started thinking and got in trouble. Now he’s playing. The dude was a GREAT 5th pick. I think his future is very bright.

Sexy Lex – love the kids 'tude. He’s another “just a football player” type who is a great team SOB.

John Jerry – if he works at it – he’s got the potential to be a star G. Is he lazy? This regime will blow his ass out if he is. I expect him to make a BIG step in Y2.

I could go on but I’m tired.

Stank out.



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Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> For what its worth...his name is Schaub not
> Straub.


RESPONSE: Just correct it with your edit function. And BTW, correct Mia1's spelling of inconsistent.

Palmer, really? hahahah, oh, how about Grosman, too. Obviously some of you have never actually played on a football team in any organized manner.

SigKash Wrote:
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> Palmer, really? hahahah, oh, how about Grosman,
> too. Obviously some of you have never actually
> played on a football team in any organized manner.

So you're a former NFL player? What team?

montequi Wrote:
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> SigKash Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Palmer, really? hahahah, oh, how about
> Grosman,
> > too. Obviously some of you have never actually
> > played on a football team in any organized
> manner.
>
> So you're a former NFL player? What team?


Yo Vic, we have a topic going, try to add something insightful. Right now your being irrelevant.

SigKash Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SigKash Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Palmer, really? hahahah, oh, how about
> > Grosman,
> > > too. Obviously some of you have never
> actually
> > > played on a football team in any organized
> > manner.
> >
> > So you're a former NFL player? What team?
>
>
> Yo Vic, we have a topic going, try to add
> something insightful. Right now your being
> irrelevant.

I'M being irrelevant? Dude! Re-read your previous post!

Anyone watch that QB special ESPN had on last night? It was very insightful into the mind of NFL level QB's. They all agreed on something that resonates within this thread, and to a greater extent, our team.

Every QB on every team, to whatever extent they play, good or bad, will reflect the outcome of every game. Due to the positions inherited nature(QB in the NFL, see Alpha Male)the person playing QB will take an exaggerated portion of acclaim when the team is doing well, and an overwhelming(sometimes unmerited)portion of the blame when the team is not doing well. In my mind this description of the position describes Henne's situation perfectly. He may not be the only reason that the offense is floundering at the bottom of the league in production, but he's the starting QB. It comes with the job.

For all the talk about how Henne is cool under pressure, didn't force things in that Jets game, his answer to the reporters when asked about the performance struck the wrong chord with me. He lamented on the woes of the entire offense while incorporating himself as the reason. I would have liked to have seen him just say in not these exact words "I sucked, it's unacceptable and I've got to get back to work so I can make sure this doesn't happen again. I understand that had I played better, this game could have gone an entirely different course. I want the game in my hands and want to perform so the coaches have confidence in my ability to win games for this team."

I guess I can hope he figures it out, maybe go talk to Marino. Do something, cuz at the rate he's going, he's going to be out of a job.