Colt McCoy is definitely Cleveland's guy when he gets healthy. His first game in the NFL was against the Steelers, which he started because the 2 guys in front of him were murdered behind the Browns' crappy offensive line. He played very well.

They would be crazy to let him go. Or draft another 1st round QB. They have much bigger needs.



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The off season should see at least 3changes:

1. Henning goes - retired or fired, we nned something as fresh as what we got for defense coordinator this yearon offense.

2. Henne is pure back up, he has had his chance

3. We bring in a veteran until the draft has something we can reach

- If we could trade up fine, but as others have noted, beyond cam newton, who would be an upgrade?

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote: you are guaranteed to waste a
> pick that way. We ain't cutting the high round QB,
> and we ain't keepin 2 rookie QBs on the roster. If
> we take one high, we absolutely shouldn't take
> another unless a high round talent somehow falls
> to us at 5 or something.
>
> There's no issue with 3 QB's on the roster. For
> example, Henne + 2 rookies. Chap P is gone and
> Thiggy is fodder.
>
> Mr. Berk this regime has used multiple picks on a
> single position before, with good results I might
> add. So what precludes that formula working for
> the QB position?


that's an easy one. You only play 1 QB and have a backup or 2. Every other position except K and P has 4+ players. So drafting 2 OL or 2 WR or even 2 TEs makes sense because you carry a lot of them and can even have many on the field at the same time. You never see a team drafting 2 Ps or 2 Ks. Now true QB is a more important position, but it's important because of quality, not quantity. I just want to see this team, for once, take a QB in the first round and be done with it. Hopefully there is someone this year worthy of it. Beyond Luck, I don't think there are any "sure things."

You're 100% right.

For example, I do see all our DL on the field at the same time.

I have no clue why teams carry more than 1 QB.

What a bunch of fools!

My typing sucks...



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I have to disagree, I don't beleive Henne will be the starting QB next season. The only way I see this happening is if they do absolutely nothing to upgrade the position.

If they were sold on this guy then why was he benched? A good young QB that's developing doesn't get benched, this is part of the growing pains correct? They were willing to bring in Penni with half an arm left.

I really beleive that the same way they were aggressive with our defense because it was our biggest achilles last year, they will do the same with our QB because it's been our biggest achilles this year.

It just blows my mind to think that these guys won't make a real aggressive move for a QB, trade, free agent, draft I don't care but something has to be done about this position right away. Unfortunately it's the most important position on the field and we just don't have it in this guy.

Yea, what he said.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> You're 100% right.
>
> For example, I do see all our DL on the field at
> the same time.
>
> I have no clue why teams carry more than 1 QB.
>
> What a bunch of fools!
>
> My typing sucks...

come on, buddy, surely you see the distinction. I am not against carrying more than 1 QB obviously. But do you want to go into the season with Henne or Thigpen or someone, and a 6th and 7th round rookie QB backing them up? No.

berkeley223 Wrote: come on, buddy, surely you see the distinction. I
am not against carrying more than 1 QB obviously. But do you want to go into the season with Henne or Thigpen or someone, and a 6th and 7th round rookie QB backing them up? No.

Not another one. Oy vay + Oy vay.

Go back and actually READ what I typed.

Henne + HIGH DRAFT PICK QB + a MID ROUND DRAFTED QB = 3

NO THIGGY. NO PENNINGTON.

Cool?

Quote:

"There are a bunch of teams picking in front of us (as of now) that have a big need at QB: Carolina, Buffalo, Arizona, Tennessee, San Francisco, Minnesota, Cleveland, Seattle and Oakland."



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Phinsfan,

That is more of my point than where we pick. The demand for these top tier guys will be like no other year.

There are alot of good teams that are a good QB away from being competitors, and I am thinking (and unfortunately for us) they will all pick ahead of us.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

(R/J)ay Wrote:
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>
> I think we would all like to see Chad Henne step
> up and become a great QB. I have been very
> critical of him lately, but every week I cheer for
> him to make great plays and help the team win. I
> still think there's a chance the light will go on
> for the guy, too. It just seems to me like his
> window is closing very quickly.

Thats exactly how i think.

Carson Palmer is a former #1 pick. He has regressed every single season with better and better talent.

I dont want him. He has lost everything he had his first 3 seasons.

I would rather take a fly on a QB who may possibly fall in the 1st round, even though I dont think any make it to us.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Again, it makes sense even if you want to draft a No.1 in the draft type QB, that you settle for a backup free agent now and give yourself another year to evaluate Henne with the surrounding cast you draft to support him in this draft.

Then, if he sucks like you say, we will be in a much better position to get THE BEST QB IN 2012.

That way we play it safe. If Henne develops into a world-beater, then you have dodged a bullet. If Henne stinks it up like BigNastyFish has on this board, then you'll get a higher pick in 2012.

Henne will have to stink up pretty bad to stink it up as much as you-know-who has.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

But this is the kind of discussion I have been waiting for around here. 4 or 5 people around here are just spouting off that Henne sucks and have no legitimate explanation as to how we fix the so-called problem.



If you tell me that one of these guys would be a franchise QB then I would definitely give up next years #1 to get him.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Of course, the perfect scenario is one of them drop into our laps. But, I doubt that happens.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I dont follow alot of College football, I know Luck and Newton, who are the other possible 1st rndrs and in what order should they go?

Way off buddy on your post.

The whole offence....STARTING with the RUNNING GAME has been a huge disappointment.

We are stilling missing major pieces, players that any QB in the league might struggle without.

Other than Bess and Marshall, we are thin at wideout.
No legitimate starting TE.
Average RB's...hate saying it, but Brown has been a bust this season and Ricky has been an OK backup.

Blaming a 3rd year player and a 2nd year starter for our offensive woes is a little off....rather blame the GM for wiffing on many draft picks.

Quote:

"After him there are 3 QB in no particular order:

Cam Newton, Auburn
Jake Locker, Washington
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas "


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dolphaholic,

Not only are these three guys, as Phinfan has pointed out, the consensus top-tier guys, they are all mostly likely, top 10 picks.

If any of the fall, it will be Locker. But, I cant see him falling past 15. If he starts to fall past 10 and is the last "top-tier" guy available, teams will be moving up feverously to get him. Mainly, because after Locker, there is a *HUGE* drop off in talent between him and the next group of QB's.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Right now I don't think Henne is the answer but comparing him to Beck is kinda low.