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So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: November 07, 2010 05:38PM

Poll
What position should we be concentrating on in the top rounds?
Only registered users are allowed to vote for this poll.
22 votes were received.
QB 4
 
18%
RB 8
 
36%
WR (speed guy) 5
 
23%
TE 2
 
9%
FS 1
 
5%
KR/PR 1
 
5%
Center 1
 
4%



At this point, I have NO idea. Seems we have a lot more holes than we thought we did when TC started.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: PHINSKISS13 ()
Date: November 07, 2010 07:00PM

#1 need....how bout getting rid of J-lo, Serena Williams, Marc Anthony, and all that other crap that has turned my beloved Phins into a losers circus, and get the once proud franchise back!

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: Jonathan Twilley ()
Date: November 08, 2010 02:09AM

How about a coach?

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: NJ Dolfan ()
Date: November 08, 2010 02:29AM

I'm not exactly sure what order I would put them in, but I'd think we need help at the following positions

1- TE. I like Fasano but we need someone other than him. Have we even seen his backup? We need a TE that has speed and good hands.
2- A speed receiver. Someone who can run the fly pattern and scare the defense with his speed a bit. That would open things for Marshall.
3- a KO and Punt returner with speed to burn... maybe that fast receiver I mentioned above
4- Replacement for YB. He's still playing very good, but how about someone to groom for a year or two as his replacement.
5- I'm not sold on Misi - another OLB.
6 - New OC.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: dolfanmark ()
Date: November 08, 2010 03:13AM

We have too many needs to pick one. I believe that Henne is part of the solution, so QB is not a need for me. He's played well enough for me to believe he can continue to grow. He lacks weapons around him, and the playcalling handcuffs him.

Keeping in mind our free agents, which include Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Anthony Fasano, and Richie Incognito.

RB- We need new blood here. Someone who is a home run threat.

TE- We have no catches from a backup TE this year. If Fasano leaves, we need two more. If we re-sign Fasano, we need a guy who can stretch the field down the seam.

WR- We need a deep threat. Teams cheat their safeties up because they don't fear our speed at the position. This stifles the running game, and clogs the underneath routes that Marshall and Bess thrive on.

OG- Need someone to replace Incognito. He has not stood out. Hopefully, Jerry develops on the other side. Neither he nor McQuistan have played well.

C- Berger looks average, at best.

DL- NT is still a huge need. Soliai has played well at times, but he was getting blown up most of the time by the Ravens. With Odrick and Merling back next year, you would think DE is fairly well set.

LB- Crowder needs to go. He is better than Dobbins, but he's not good enough. We need a more instinctive, steadying presence next to Dansby. Crowder has never been instinctive. You put a classic MLB-type next to Dansby, a guy who is a run stuffing machine, and the defense goes to another level. We have to give Misi time to grow into the role, considering he played DT and DE in college. But, we probably need to draft an OLB to keep pushing him in case he doesn't develop as a run defender.

CB- We need help here. Sean Smith is terrible. Maybe he'll get better down the road, but he has shown nothing since the first two games of 2009. He allowed 19.8 yards per completion in 2009, the worst in the league. In 2010, heading into yesterday's game, he was allowing 72.2% completions. And he can't catch the ball to save his life. That's why Utah moved him from WR. Benny Sapp is not the answer in the slot. He's not as good as Nate Jones, and that pretty much says it all. Maybe Nolan Carroll can grow into that role.

S- Chris Clemons does not appear to be the answer at FS. He misses way too many tackles and takes too many poor angles. And he has worse hands than Sean Smith.

Return Specialist- I think Carroll shows some promise on kick returns, but he's never really done it, even in college. And Bess doesn't offer much big play potential at punt returner.

Offensive Coordinator- The offensive scheme is very old school. It's not keeping with the modern passing game. As one former Fins QB said last week, "When I look at the passing game, I don't know what Henning is trying to accomplish." The routes do not spread the field. We are always playing within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage, and it leads to a lot of congestion and difficult throws. There is no spacing. We also keep calling plays that have not worked all season. The sprint rollout right worked for us last year. This year, teams are ready for it, and Henne has not had anyone open on that play all season. Yet, we call it at least once a week. And this insistence on alternating series with Ronnie and Ricky is just stupid. Ronnie was hot on that first drive yesterday, they should have stuck with him on the second drive. But, replacing the OC raises a question. David Lee was brought to Miami, in part, because of the "wildcat." Does he have the ability to run an NFL offense? I mention him, because he is your chance to at least keep the same terminology and general philosophy. If you go in an entirely different direction, you probably set Henne back, because he'll have to learn a whole new scheme. And when you've only been in one NFL offense, that can be a hard thing.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: Mia1 ()
Date: November 08, 2010 03:20AM

DolfanMark Henne is just average.

Jamarcus Russel 2.0.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: Hooligan2 ()
Date: November 08, 2010 03:30AM

What sense did it make to give Ginn away for next to nothing and then anguish over not having a return guy.
We should have kept The Ginn family for another season as our speed guy to line up opposite Marshall. Of course the OC would need to grow some balls to call those types of plays.
We might need another QB. There must be something to the reports that Parcells was disappointed in Henne's development. Still, they weren't concerned enough to try Thigpen or Penni.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: Krunk Fu ()
Date: November 09, 2010 04:31AM

We still need to spend our first round pick on defense this year, and then grab a RB in the second round.

Maybe a TE in the third.

We can't deviate from the plan at this point, and with another solid defensive draft we'll be stout enough to win games if they don't fire Sporano.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: GBOFinFan ()
Date: November 09, 2010 05:09AM

Mia1 Wrote:
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> DolfanMark Henne is just average.
>
> Jamarcus Russel 2.0.


You believe Russell was an average QB and still wonder why nobody respects your opinion?

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: November 09, 2010 06:24AM

Offensive Coordinator is #1.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: dolfan1 ()
Date: November 09, 2010 08:15AM

QB, we need a leader. we dont have one currently. Then RB in that order. OC would be number 1 in coaching staff

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: November 09, 2010 08:50AM

Hooligan, even if Ginn could not catch, just having him blazing down the opposite sideline would have been enough to take some coverage off of Marshall.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: dolfan1 ()
Date: November 09, 2010 09:23AM

Ryan Mallett.

That should be our DRAFT QB

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: November 09, 2010 10:28AM

Dolfan1,

You really should get your information togethor before you start repeating over and over about a player that has been very mediocre--at best, against solid teams.

Even if so, Mallett wont last past about the 10th pick.

So, not a chance. Get over it. Start posting something different.

Or better yet, just leave and come back in March like you do every other season.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: November 09, 2010 10:36AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Hooligan, even if Ginn could not catch, just
> having him blazing down the opposite sideline
> would have been enough to take some coverage off
> of Marshall.

That would last about 2 games. Then teams would just ignore Ginn.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: Leon In Denver ()
Date: November 09, 2010 10:59AM

montequi Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hooligan, even if Ginn could not catch, just
> > having him blazing down the opposite sideline
> > would have been enough to take some coverage
> off
> > of Marshall.
>
> That would last about 2 games. Then teams would
> just ignore Ginn.

That would have been nice, but not true. Teams would remember how he burned the jets and make sure he was covered.
He's not a great player but he sure can run. That would have helped Marshall and the others.
Dumb move trading him and not bringing in someone else that can run.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: JC ()
Date: November 09, 2010 11:20AM

It probably would have been a good idea for us to still have Ginn returning kickoffs, but he has not exactly lit it up for San Francisco so far this year. He's averaged something like one reception per game, with no long gains and no TDs.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: November 09, 2010 11:22AM

If all we want is someone with speed to run fly patterns, why not convert Nolan Carroll to WR?

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: November 09, 2010 12:11PM

montequi Wrote:
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> If all we want is someone with speed to run fly
> patterns, why not convert Nolan Carroll to WR?


Wasnt he the one that fumbled that kick in the endzone. He cant catch.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: November 09, 2010 01:42PM


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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: Welead ()
Date: November 09, 2010 02:26PM

Q is the number one lead. The reason the team is mailing it in on most second halfs is because they know it's not in Henne. It all starts with the Q, if the Q makes plays then team gets jacked and makes plays also.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: November 09, 2010 05:19PM


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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: November 10, 2010 04:03AM

montequi Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > montequi Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If all we want is someone with speed to run
> fly
> > > patterns, why not convert Nolan Carroll to
> WR?
> >
> >
> > Wasnt he the one that fumbled that kick in the
> > endzone. He cant catch.
>
> How's that any different from Ginn? As ChyrenB
> said:
>
>
>
> What's the difference?


The difference is ginn returned some kickoff for TDs And carroll has never crossed the 50 yard line.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: November 10, 2010 04:09AM

PLus ginn didnt had terrible hands IMO. He actually made some pretty good catches for TDs...while a member of the phins. He made a catch in the endzone against the jets on that AFC east clinching game at the jets and he singlehanded beat the jets with two return for TDs. That alone makes it worthwhile to have him on the team...Also that TD against revis on monday night...Not many outrun reevis.

I know he can be erratic but he also made game changing plays while carrol cannot..

Anyways i would rather have ginn than carrol anyday.

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: November 10, 2010 04:27AM

samsam3738 Wrote:
> The difference is ginn returned some kickoff for
> TDs And carroll has never crossed the 50 yard
> line.

Except that Carroll is a rookie and Ginn was in his, what, 3rd year(?) when he FINALLY returned a kickoff for a TD? Didn't the Pats have success converting a DB to WR...or was it the other way around?

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: November 10, 2010 04:31AM

montequi Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> > The difference is ginn returned some kickoff
> for
> > TDs And carroll has never crossed the 50 yard
> > line.
>
> Except that Carroll is a rookie and Ginn was in
> his, what, 3rd year(?) when he FINALLY returned a
> kickoff for a TD? Didn't the Pats have success
> converting a DB to WR...or was it the other way
> around?

Who was it dont remember now!

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Re: So, what's our #1 need?
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: November 10, 2010 04:50AM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> > > The difference is ginn returned some kickoff
> > for
> > > TDs And carroll has never crossed the 50 yard
> > > line.
> >
> > Except that Carroll is a rookie and Ginn was in
> > his, what, 3rd year(?) when he FINALLY returned
> a
> > kickoff for a TD? Didn't the Pats have success
> > converting a DB to WR...or was it the other way
> > around?
>
> Who was it dont remember now!

It was in reverse. Troy Brown was a WR that converted to CB.

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