I will never forget how bad I felt! He was a great owner, easy to work for. I think BP would have stayed, if WH remained a majority shareholder.

yes, WH was the perfect owner. stayed in the background and paid whatever the FB guys wanted. I could never understand the hatred by phins fans against WH (don't give me any of the marlins crap, there are no real marlins fans anyway). his only flaw was the he trusted his "football" guys too much, which lead to debacles like wanny, saban, and cammoron

"now Ireland can run with making the final decisions"
That's what worries me!

I give Wayne credit in that he knew when it was time to give Shula the nudge out the door. And didnt stop Wannstedt from pushing Marino out the door when it was the right time. Wayne didn't buckle to "popular opinion" or "sentimental" stuff with 2 legends. He knew when it was time.

Where Wayne sucked was when JJ quit and he begged him to come back. And we got a half-hearted JJ which ended with 62-7 that year. And when he begged Saban to come when he clearly didn't want to be here. If someone doesn't want to be with you, throwing money at that problem never works. These are 2 clear examples. He should have just moved on to plan B with both guys and let them go

Obviously, Parcells trusts him or he would not have placed him in that position.

If you trust Parcells, then the logical step is to trust that Parcells put the right person in place to make those tough decisions.

Ireland will make mistakes. So what. He just needs to make more hits than misses. The coach and players do the rest.

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> And
> didnt stop Wannstedt from pushing Marino out the
> door when it was the right time.

Sorry, but I never liked that move. It was classless. The only reason it was "time" was because Marino never fit into JJ's offensive philosophy. I believe Dan could have had at least 1 or 2 more productive years if we had had a decent offensive coordinator, but Wanny was a total doofball when it came to offense.

This team did nothing under Wayne as an owner. Nothing. The team was a perennial division favorite and regular SB attendee when he purchased it. When he sold it, it was a complete mess. His ownership brought a steady decline from yearly winner to yearly loser.

He hired Wanny, Saban, and Cam.

I was happy he sold.

Wayne was a great owner
Did everything he can no matter the cost

montequi Wrote:
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> MikeO Wrote:
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> > And
> > didnt stop Wannstedt from pushing Marino out
> the
> > door when it was the right time.
>
> Sorry, but I never liked that move. It was
> classless. The only reason it was "time" was
> because Marino never fit into JJ's offensive
> philosophy. I believe Dan could have had at least
> 1 or 2 more productive years if we had had a
> decent offensive coordinator, but Wanny was a
> total doofball when it came to offense.


Marino was done. Was throwing way too many interceptions. Broke the single season record for INT's returned for TD's. Dan was shot. He played 17 years, that is a very long time.

MikeO Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
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> > MikeO Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > And
> > > didnt stop Wannstedt from pushing Marino out
> > the
> > > door when it was the right time.
> >
> > Sorry, but I never liked that move. It was
> > classless. The only reason it was "time" was
> > because Marino never fit into JJ's offensive
> > philosophy. I believe Dan could have had at
> least
> > 1 or 2 more productive years if we had had a
> > decent offensive coordinator, but Wanny was a
> > total doofball when it came to offense.
>
>
> Marino was done. Was throwing way too many
> interceptions. Broke the single season record for
> INT's returned for TD's. Dan was shot. He played
> 17 years, that is a very long time.


The offensive playcalling and formations had a whole lot to do with those INTs returned for TDs. Dan had a bad shoulder when JJ embarrassed him against Dallas, but I feel he recovered from that. Dan wasn't ready to hang it up, and I think he still had a lot to offer.

All Jimmy did was try and force the run for 3 downs in 3 quarters and then expect Marino to bail them them out after it didn't work.

It was either run on 1st down and 2nd down and leave Marino in 3rd and long or run 3 quarters and then expect a bail out. Of course you are going to throw picks in those situations.

JJ the "genius" got lucky on Zach Thomas and JT but just couldn't put together a decent line and find a RB. Pickin's were slim in those years for RB's but he missed on the ones he picked and could have had....(hindsight)

Stephen Davis in 96, (1-20 Daryl Gardner)

1997 (1-15 Yatil Green) Tiki Barber, Antoine Smith, Corey Dillon, Duce Staley

1998 (1-29 John Avery)Ahman Green, Michael Pittman

1999 (2-8 JJ Johnson) Kevin Faulk, Joe Montgomery

Any one of those backs were better than any RB he picked. He chose 3 RB's in 96, 1 in 98 and 2 in 99.

Not to mention the WR's he choked on....


When you want to think that Parcels has been doing bad...take a look at JJ's drafts.... 44 draft picks in 4 years and he hit on 5 players IMO....JT, ZT, Madison, Gardner and Surtain. These were the only ones that were quality starters....I'll even throw in Rob Konrad for good measure. Yeah he got lucky with JT and Zach because they are HOF type players but if he knew what he had, he would have taken them earlier than he did.

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except for long who was the #1 overall pick and should be great, I don't see anyone this regeim has drafted that compares to jt, zach, madison or gardner. sure JJ had some bad picks as has the "trifecta" but his hits were bigger. jj's worst move was trading down BEFORE the draft when we could have had randy moss and gave us john avery instead

Brian Hartline in Rd 4 might turn out to be a steal. Nate Gardner (if he can stay healthy) was a steal of a pick for Parcells/Ireland

garner wasn't a draft pick. If we are counting street FAs then I agree Bess and Garnder are solid