Saban is a self-absorbed pompous a**.

wow, what a sleaze. he came off even worse than had he said nothing about what happened when he was here

Dear Lord is he lying through his teeth!!! Total BS that he didn't talk to Alabama beforehand, he is just covering his arse because it would have been a major violation of his contract!! All he had to say was "Next Question" or " I am the coach of the Miami Dolphins" when asked, he did not have to say "I'm not going to be the Alabama Coach" When he did that, every last ounce of integrity that he had went straight out the door and he revealed himself to be the kid that couldn't swim with the big boys and went back to the kiddie pool.

As I said before, may the man catch a venereal disease.

I would have love to have heard his opinion about being a secondary specialist and drafting a injured safety 17 overall in the draft. WHen you blow it on a first rd pick your teams future and your own legacy is bad.

Sparano is the coach now time to move on the hell with Nick Saban. It all worked out for the better, and we have the perfect coach to lead us back to the promise land. Saban wasn't cut out for the Pro's some coaches are some aren't. Screw saban and his unprofessional ways. We got ourselves a caoch now that knows what it takes to win at the Pro level. I can't wait for the season to begin let's get it on.

Technically he did improve - 9-7 is a lot better than 4-12, but that just means he's a better gameday coach than Wanny.

Saban was the worst GM in Dolphins history, and that goes a lot farther towards destroying a team than being a bad coach.

In all of Saban's drafting he has left us with Ronnie Brown, Channing Crowder, and Jason Allen... and the selection of Ronnie Brown was easy. Just to show how bad that is - Cameron has given us Devon Bess, Brandon Fields, and Paul Soliai. In one year Cam Cameron had as much impact as Saban in two.

Say what you want about Rick Speilman, he did put together a decent team that probably would have been better if Wanny didn't override his QB decisions.

Yea, Saban destroyed the team through bad moves.

Cam Cameron didn't give us Davone Bess.

That was a Sparano/Ireland signing

Ok, thanks. My bad. I thought with Cameron's love of the Hawaii offense that he signed Bess. But I think the point remains the same - Saban did no better drafting than Cameron.

I mean, at least we were able to get a draft pick for Ted Ginn - heck the guy won a game last year for us. Where is Jason Allen? And will Channing even play this year?

Saban should have just said I'm leaving a mediocre NFL team to go build a dynasty at Alabama. That would have been honest and to the point.

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> If he wanted to be honest and to the point he
> would have said:
>
> "I'm in over my head in the NFL. I'm going back
> to college because I can pick my players and I can
> yell at them and have it mean something."


Jealousy is a funny thing...

Saban isn't jealous.

He has 2 BCS titles at 2 different schools. He will go down as one of the all time great college coaches ever. Alongside Paterno, Bryant, Bowden...etc.

Saban is a miserable human being that we all hate but he is an elite coach you can't knock that. He is jealous of nothing.

MikeO Wrote:


> Saban is a miserable human being that we all hate
> but he is an elite coach you can't knock that.

Saban is an elite "College Coach" and a very medicore NFL coach and player evaluator for the pro game. It probably bothers his ego, that he is looked at as a guy that could not handle the NFL situation and quit. I am sure it bothers Spurrier as well.

A coach is a coach is a coach. Bear Bryant and Joe Paterno are elite coaches. They only coached college, it doesn't take away from their greatness.

I don't think it bothers Spurrier or Saban one bit. As they roll around in their millions and polish their national championship rings

Saban is a good college coach and that is about it. A completely different game from the NFL. Heck, Wanny is considered a good college coach.

How many college coaches make the transition to the NFL and start winning? Jimmy Johnson was the last to do it, and he had the Walker trade.

Apples and oranges. Saban was a bum in the NFL, and since I don't give a ratsass about 'bama or LSU, I don't care that he may be considered "elite" in the lesser leagues.

college football is not a "lesser league"..

it's different not lesser

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> college football is not a "lesser league"..
>
> it's different not lesser


Name one college team that has a legit shot to beat the Detroit Lions.

It is Lesser.

USC, Alabama, Texas.... they would all open up at 2pt favorites vs the Lions on a neutral field. lol Actually the Lions are decent now, maybe the Rams!


but its not the same. By your logic Joe Paterno and Bear Bryant can't coach and never could. College football is a different animal than NFL football, but it isn't lesser. That is a simplistic, no thought, backwards thinking type of logic. Jimmy Johnson, Marv Levy, Bill Walsh...all college coaches that made the transition. The list is endless

Hell the best football coach in the state of Ohio is Jim Tressell. Not Mangini or Lewis!! And I ain't alone in that thinking.

MikeO Wrote:
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> USC, Alabama, Texas.... they would all open up at
> 2pt favorites vs the Lions on a neutral field. lol
> Actually the Lions are decent now, maybe the
> Rams!
>

No way. You're dream buddy. Any NFL team, even the Rams, would rip USC, Alabama, and Texas apart. Wouldn't even be close. For starters... even those great teams - how many players will actually get drafted? 10-15% at most. And an NFL defense alone would probably make the passing game impossible. No - even the Rams would rip those teams a new one.



>
> but its not the same. By your logic Joe Paterno
> and Bear Bryant can't coach and never could.

Please. Never said they couldn't coach, only that it is very rare to make it in the pros. The only difference between Paterno, Bryant and Saban is that Paterno and Bryant knew their limitations. They knew they could never make it in the pros while they always be kings in the lesser league. They were the smart ones, Saban is an idiot.


> College football is a different animal than NFL
> football, but it isn't lesser.

> That is a
> simplistic, no thought, backwards thinking type of
> logic. Jimmy Johnson, Marv Levy, Bill Walsh...all
> college coaches that made the transition. The list
> is endless
>

Levy was a pro coach for 20 years before he won anything. He coached in college for like 5 years. Please.

And Bill Walsh was a career NFL coach for 10 years then went to Stanford for only two years before going to the Niners. More like a pro coach that brought his system to college while on vacation.

The list of college coaches that went on to win in the NFL is very short: Jimmy Johnson.



First you say an NFL team would lose to a college team, then you break out with bogus history. I don't think you know what you are talking about.

1) Walsh coached at Stanford in 1977! Yeah it was a vacation . And he didn't coach in the NFL before hand it was the AFL which in the minds of many was a "lesser" league. Let's get some facts straight.

2) Paterno and Bryant "knew their limitations".....you MUST BE KIDDING ME! Just becaues they didn't make the jump didn't mean they couldn't , just meant they were happy in their situation.

That's right, only 1 college coach went to the NFL and won. Jimmy Johnson. Nobody else in the history of football did. Give me a friggin break!! You must be joking??

Saban is an idiot for many reasons, jumping to the NFL for 2 years taking (stealing) millions upon millions isn't one reason why he is an idiot. That's good business for the scumbag gotta admit!

Oh and if "college football" is a lesser league and those coaches can't cut it on the next level....... why has every NFL team copied the Arkansas "wild-hog" offense and now run the WILDCAT!/!

Yeah that "lesser league" with crap coaches has zero impact today on the NFL game.....ha ha ha! OK! Please!

MikeO Wrote:
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> Oh and if "college football" is a lesser league
> and those coaches can't cut it on the next
> level....... why has every NFL team copied the
> Arkansas "wild-hog" offense and now run the
> WILDCAT!/!

I'd love to see a college team try that in the NFL. LOL! They would get killed!

I've only seen one team run the wildcat successfully in the NFL, and the only time they could do that is when they had a number one overall draft pick and number two overall draft pick on the field at the same time.

I'm not sure how our ability to run that successfully translates to a College team being able to beat a pro team, and it sure as heck doesn't erase the fact that both Walsh and Levy both had over a decade of pro experience before they won anything in the NFL.


>
> Yeah that "lesser league" with crap coaches has
> zero impact today on the NFL game.....ha ha ha!
> OK! Please!

Whoa there, Scout. I never said that it has ZERO impact. Hell, the Canadians have had impact. The USFL had impact. The WFL had impact. Even the arena league has some influence on todays passing game. But it don't mean that they are on the same level as the NFL. They are all lesser leagues.

Football was first played at Ivy League colleges - and many of today's pro plays were developed in that era. It doesn't mean that Yale is just going to start running over the Rams, does it?


Face it, the college game is lesser to the pros. And most college coaches just can't cut it.

MikeO Wrote:
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> 1) Walsh coached at Stanford in 1977! Yeah it was
> a vacation . And he didn't coach in the NFL
> before hand it was the AFL which in the minds of
> many was a "lesser" league. Let's get some facts
> straight.
>

Yea, lets get some facts straight. Bill Walsh coached pro football for 10 years before going to coach at Stanford for 2. Uh yea... he was a career college coach.



> That's right, only 1 college coach went to the NFL
> and won. Jimmy Johnson. Nobody else in the history
> of football did. Give me a friggin break!! You
> must be joking??
>

Your list, not mine. Feel free to add, but don't expect me to help your condescending smart ass win an argument you are clearly losing.

I may know one or two more names, but I'm not telling. Regardless, with the large number of college coaches in relations to pro coaches, the odds aren't in your favor of actually making a salient point.

lol lol lol

"I may know 1 or 2 names but I'm not telling".........so you admit your stance is flawed!! Thanks!! That made me laugh. This is a new one!

You know you are wrong but won't admit it...ha ha


Don't worry I know your wrong too.

MikeO Wrote:
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> lol lol lol
>
> "I may know 1 or 2 names but I'm not
> telling".........so you admit your stance is
> flawed!! Thanks!! That made me laugh. This is a
> new one!
>
> You know you are wrong but won't admit it...ha ha
>
>
> Don't worry I know your wrong too.


Ha! As if a couple moderately successful career college coaches doing well in the 50s and 60s would make a difference.

Fact is - it is extremely rare for college coaches to make a splash in the big leagues.

And since there is really very little track record of great college coaches making it in the NFL and a huge track record of great college coaches falling flat on their face in the NFL, then who is to blame for Nick Saban's big contract?

A: The same guy who gave Wanny an extension and hired Cameron.