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Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: Odenn ()
Date: April 24, 2010 05:38AM

Miami- B+
NY Jets- A
Buffalo- C
NE Pats- C+

I really wish we didn't trade down in all of the rounds we did just to make the round 1 move.

Pats taking Spikes was a big negative to me in their grade. Jets had a solid, good draft unfortunately. Buffalo not taking Clausen just smells bad.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2010 03:44PM by Odenn.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: April 24, 2010 05:45AM

Lets wait till the draft is over......then about another 2 years

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 05:46AM

can't grade a draft when its only rd 4. Lots of good guys still out there.

I don't buy in the waiting 2 or 3 years thing, you know sooner than that. By the end of August we know which kids got it and which kids don't

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 05:52AM

How many RB's do the Jets need.....they got 4 now.

LT, rent is expensive in NYC, don't sign nothing long-term I could see your ass on the open market after training camp

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: April 24, 2010 05:52AM

I don't think we are a c plus so far, better than that.
I love the trade down, but I'd rather have done the following with our picks

instead of odrick, hughes
instead of misi, one of the nts
then instead of jerry, the best fs or lb available

but everyone we picked I think will be a good player and starter sooner rather than later

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 05:53AM

Miami has drafted 3 opening day starters.....can't knock that.

Anyone who does is CLUELESS!!

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: April 24, 2010 05:54AM

Yeah you have a decent idea on the early guys, but there could still be a late pick/late bloomer that takes a year or 2 to develop, those guys could turn a good draft into a great one.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 05:57AM

When was the last time a guy you drafted 2 or 3 years later turned into a real player. doesn't usually happen. (minus the QB position)

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: April 24, 2010 06:11AM

mikeo, a few of wrs fit that mold--roddy white, etc

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 06:12AM

so its few and far between, that is my point

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: April 24, 2010 06:17AM

There's a ton of late round picks and street FAs that take a few years Mike, like I said those could turn a good draft into a great one.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: Odenn ()
Date: April 24, 2010 06:18AM

Not knocking there selections, Mike. I'm not clueless. Lol. Anyway, the way I got that grade was mostly because of the people we didn't get, when we had the opportunity. This 4th round selection doesn't help my opinion either.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 06:24AM

This 4th round selection makes sense. We need OLB's. Nobody knows if Cam Wake is any good or can be a full time starter. Charlie Anderson is nothing special.

We now throw Misi and Edds into the mix. Hopefully get some competition giong and some of these guys stick.


Misi is a pass rushign OLB. Edds is a coverage LB (dude can cover RB's and TE's). He is a 3rd down linebacker.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: April 24, 2010 06:28AM

why this guy over sapp, cam thomas, or jones?

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 06:32AM

We have 3 DT's now (Starks/Solai/Ferguson) so thats why no Cam thomas

And it looks like they wanted a "coverage" OLB and this guy had 5 INT's as a linebacker last year. He give the Fins what they want. That's why over Sapp.

I think Culver/Clemons are going to be our saftey's. Or maybe they want Hamlin or the Rams Saftey June 1st.



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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: April 24, 2010 07:27AM

Most of the guys we drafted are high motor/hard working guys. Don't forget a key member of this draft that is the most sure thing in the draft....Brandon Marshall who was basically one of two second round picks.

Draft grade so far....A....and its not over yet. I am still hoping for Jeff Owens...the monster NT from Georgia who had the bench record at the combine this year.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 07:30AM

I want a cover guy for our secondary. We need depth in oru secondary after losing some guys

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: Odenn ()
Date: April 24, 2010 07:32AM

Seriously doubt we have any room for him, but I'm surprised someone hasn't scooped up Riley Cooper yet. He has hands of glue.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 24, 2010 09:15AM

Pats so far. Grrrrr.....

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 09:26AM

Pats signed Alge Crumpler this offseason, how many tight ends do they need. I don't like their draft.

Spikes is nothing special either too slow for the NFL. Belichick might be turning into the Al Davis of the NFL in front of our eyes. Making weird picks.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: April 24, 2010 09:31AM

agreed. any other team everyone would be bashing taking 2 tight ends and spikes so high. bellicheck does it and it's genius

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 09:47AM

Well Belichick does have 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks next year.

But if he is gonna screw them up like this I have no fear of it.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: Panteraize ()
Date: April 24, 2010 10:16AM

I disagree about Spikes. People think he's too slow. All I know is I watched every Florida game and he was a dominant presence on every play. The guy can flat out play football. He's also got prototpyical size for what we want in our LBers and I about died when the Pats took him right before us in the 3rd. The Jerry pick made me feel better though. That guy is going to be a monster on the line for us.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 10:27AM

That was college. Beating up on Vanderbilt doesn't impress anybody.

This is the big time, if you can't get to the point of attack, there is no play to make!!

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: April 24, 2010 10:37AM


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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: April 24, 2010 10:39AM

Pats had a bad draft



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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: Odenn ()
Date: April 24, 2010 10:41AM

MikeO Wrote:
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> That was college. Beating up on Vanderbilt doesn't
> impress anybody.
>
> This is the big time, if you can't get to the
> point of attack, there is no play to make!!


Spikes' problem will be something that one of our former ILB's, Zach Thomas, excelled at. RB's in the NFL are faster, quicker, than NCAA backs. The FB's are faster on the block. The outside tackle runs were the ILB has to run 20 yards to get to the point of contact will be his downfall because he simply can't get there before the RB has turned the corner. Side to side movement basically. I watched a lot of UF games as well, and I'm glad he's on the Pats team. We can run sweeps all day on them if he's playing.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: Panteraize ()
Date: April 24, 2010 12:13PM

MikeO Wrote:
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> That was college. Beating up on Vanderbilt doesn't
> impress anybody.

Hahaha, yeah that's who Florida and Spikes played against Vanderbilt... all 12 games of the season for each of his 4 years at Florida. It's not like Spikes dominated a handful of the best teams in college football by tearing through SEC teams week in and week out. The only conference that's a step up from the SEC as far as I can tell is the NFL. Oh and ironically, Vandy is the one team he didn't play against this year because of his suspension.

Concerns about his speed are legitamite, but nonsense comments about one weak team on an otherwise very respectable football schedule somehow proving that the guy can't play in the NFL is beyond stupid.

Odenn your comment about his potential weakness at getting to backs as they turn the corner is well taken. Even with that concern, Spikes is a lot better in coverage than people give him credit for, he can stuff the run in the inside, he's big, and he's instinctive. All in all, I'm not happy that we're going to have to face him and Mayo twice a year.

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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: April 24, 2010 12:15PM

Sure. Right.(spoken with deep sarcasm)

Rick



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Re: Draft Grade(AFC EAST)
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: April 24, 2010 12:22PM

Don't forget nose tackles, they generally take a few years to develop, too.

Rick

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