Nobody reputable counts assisted tackles!!!!

Like I said, watch the show. They say its a BS stat that is made up and can't be taken seriously!!

If you recall, a new GM (Scott Pioli) came in and acquired Matt Cassel.

Pioli went with what he knew rather than take a shot on Thigpen.

Parcells came in and drafted Henne before beck really had a chance to develop.


A new broom sweeps clean.

Name the GOOD NFL player who gets traded for a reason other than money or he can't play? Name him.....



Rich Gannon, traded and released by several teams, even after some successful seasons, until he ultimately took the Raiders to the Superbowl.

Matt Schaub was traded, and is playing well. Money wasn't the issue. They just didn't want him to be the starter. He led the league in passing last year.

Several others like Garcia were released and then went on to be successful.


Teams release guys because they only have 53 roster spots and the other 31 teams know they have to eventually release him and they wait to grab him. If 1 of those teams has enough interest they will trade for him if they like the contract and don't want to risk losing out on him. If 1 of those teams REALLY likes him and believes more than 1 team will make him an offer....and that team is a 'less desirable' team because of losing, weather, poor market for advertising deals...they pay more.

realist Wrote:
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> If you recall, a new GM (Scott Pioli) came in and
> acquired Matt Cassel.
>
> Pioli went with what he knew rather than take a
> shot on Thigpen.
>
> Parcells came in and drafted Henne before beck
> really had a chance to develop.
>
>
> A new broom sweeps clean.


New Brooms don't sweep GOOD players! That's my point!

realist Wrote:
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> Name the GOOD NFL player who gets traded for a
> reason other than money or he can't play? Name
> him.....
>
>
>
> Rich Gannon, traded and released by several teams,
> even after some successful seasons, until he
> ultimately took the Raiders to the Superbowl.
>
> Matt Schaub was traded, and is playing well. Money
> wasn't the issue. They just didn't want him to be
> the starter. He led the league in passing last
> year.
>
> Several others like Garcia were released and then
> went on to be successful.
>
>
> Teams release guys because they only have 53
> roster spots and the other 31 teams know they have
> to eventually release him and they wait to grab
> him. If 1 of those teams has enough interest they
> will trade for him if they like the contract and
> don't want to risk losing out on him. If 1 of
> those teams REALLY likes him and believes more
> than 1 team will make him an offer....and that
> team is a 'less desirable' team because of losing,
> weather, poor market for advertising deals...they
> pay more.


Oh my god some of you people are DENSE! 1) Nobody is talking about "released" players, only trades.Try and keep up with the discussion! 2) I have mentioned there are always exceptions to he rule. I have stated it numerous times. Now, Schaub was traded because they knew he was going to get BIG MONEY when his contract was up, they had Mike Vick already making BIG MONEY...they couldn't pay both. So they moved him instead of paying him BIG MONEY!! That's the point, the trade was driven by MONEY!!! Not his play or quality of player he was. Just MONEY!! They knew they couldn't fit both under the salary cap within the next year!!

It is true that tackles are a skewed stat. Most teams have a crew, usually from the defensive staff that looks at tape after a game and assigns tackles, etc. The NFL (NFL.com) has a crew in the press box that assigns stats but as of 2008, only 4 teams used the press box results. The Miami Dolphins are one of those teams. (Houston, Miami, Oakland and Seattle)

For instance...Patrick Willis was credited with 174 tackles by NFL stat crews in 2007 but the San Francisco coaches gave him credit for 52 more tackles, bumping his "official" count to 226.

So going by the team official web site is not usually accurate. Using the NFL.com stats is usually more consistent and unbiased. You still can't ignore the assisted tackles and it doesn't really prove your argument. NFL stat crews are not rewarding players for being around the ball.

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keeping the stat and using it are two different things.

I've been right since day 1. That NFL Network show just sealed the deal on it!

Don't call me dense please. Rich Gannon was traded. Done!

you can be very immature.

Happy Easter

and you can be incorrect on a variety of issues!

happy passover!

seriously, there may be some dense folks on here, but realist ain't one. happy pesach to you and yours.

These statements are hilarious! Blabber on, Mike.

Rick

So don't try to "educate" us. Present your argument and try to defend it if you can. Listen. If somebody elses's position is different from yours, accept it. Most of the people on this blog have reasonable ideas from different viewpoints. Give them due consideration. Otherwise, why come here at all? You might as well just talk into recording device, and play it back periodically. What's the point?

Rick



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I accept other people opinions. I disagree, tell you why I disagree and present facts, and move on.

What some here can't do it move on! Some here want to jam a circle peg in the square hole!

Thank you,

and I do apologize for my narrow well-wishing. Happy Holy Days to all.

phinsfan2, please don't attempt to interject logic into this conversation!

whatever. This topic has JUMPED THE SHARK.

Nobody is changing anybody's opinion.