full disclosure : I am a USF alum.

I think if Jason Pierre-Paul falls to 12 we take him. I was not convinced before the combine, I am now. Everyone is raving about him and he killed it with his 40 time (4.64). Before the combine, I did think he was a 1st round prospect just not a top 15 pick.

Let me know what you guys think, em I being too bias?



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Hard to tell...Vernon Gholston was off the charts a few years ago and he has been a bust.

George Selvie was considered a top DE/OLB prospect had he come out last year. Now he has plummeted from a first round to a 4th round grade.

Not enough tape on JPP to warrant a #12 pick. One year. Workout warrior?

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George Selvie was considered a top DE/OLB prospect had he come out last year. Now he has plummeted from a first round to a 4th round grade.

Selvie will be a 3rd down passing specialist, like Wake was for us this year. He can't shed blocks like JPP. But I agree, JPP would be a risk at 12 - maybe even a reach.

dres9711 Wrote:
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> George Selvie was considered a top DE/OLB prospect
> had he come out last year. Now he has plummeted
> from a first round to a 4th round grade.
>
> Selvie will be a 3rd down passing specialist, like
> Wake was for us this year. He can't shed blocks
> like JPP. But I agree, JPP would be a risk at 12 -
> maybe even a reach.

Didn't the same apply to Rodrique Wright? I thought I remember him projected as a 1st rounder at one point. We picked him up in the 6th round and he never really amounted to much.

SIGN HIM UP!!!!

I don't think he will be there at 12 so its a non issue to me.

He will go high

I hate combine 'warriors' show me someone who has done it on the field for 3-4 years. I like the DE from UF a helluva lot better than this guy.

players like JPP are the players I always want to stay away from. The Ghoston comparison is spot on. Gholston was not productive in college but was a top 5 pick because he was a workout worrier. The bust rate on players like that is off the charts. I can't think of many players who were not productive in college but went high based on combine numbers and were successful.
Add to that JPP has only 1 year of D1 under his belt and not a dominant one at that, and I say STAY AWAY.
Hopefully a top 10 team (Raiders?) disagrees so it will bump someone else down to us.

How do you draft a guy in the first round that has 6 career stats,42 tackles and 1 int? Beats me but he's all yours Mr. Davis.

That's even less than Gholston!

I would cross him and Spikes off my list.

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Spikes is just one of the guys who can flat out play. He is consistently disruptive on the field against SEC competition. I'm glad he didn't run, I hope he drops to us in the 2nd. I compare him to Matt Roth just 20lbs lighter. Roth is no burner, but he was/is a run stopper who has shown that he can get to the QB. Spikes inside would fill a big need, but switching him to outside at JT's spot last season/where Roth should have been had the mysterious unpleasantness with him not happened, could also be a big pay off.

We originally put Roth there for run support in his first season at the position and didn't blitz him the amount of snaps we saw JT rush this season for example. Spikes would fit that bill perfectly. I think Spikes is an unusually perceptive and cerebral LB. He may be the kind of player who makes up for not having desired speed by having good football instincts. Not to mention he hits like a truck.

Regarding the football instincts, it could be a situation similar to Zach Thomas who I'm sure didn't impress anybody with his 40 time coming out of college.

Before you freak out I'm not comparing the players like apples to apples, I'm just talking about one characteristic and the potential impact it may have on their performance. I'm also aware that Brandon Spikes probably wouldn't come close to Zach Thomas' football instincts/knowledge, just saying he appears to have well above average instincts for the game much like we know Zach Thomas did, and we know that having that skill can often make up for certain other deficiencies in someone's game.

Roth was given the opportunity to play for 4 years and showed only glimpses of mediocrity.

He played WOLB in Cleveland and had 4 sacks in 6 games which is pretty good but lets see what he does for an entire season.

From what I have read about Spikes...."Continues to look unathletic and heavy footed in the drills. Looked slow and not agile in footwork drills."

I agree that workout times don't always translate but more often than not they do. Once in a great while a great player is overlooked (Zach) but they are few and far between.

Some say it is instincts but ZT worked hard to overcome his liabilities. Zach spent more time in the film room than the QB's. Do you get that impression from Spikes or is he just the guy that tries to gouge a guys eyes out after he tackles them and is afraid for teams to see his 40 time because it will cost him millions?

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Roth has been better than mediocre in his NFL career

185 Tackles
16.5 Sacks
6 Forced Fumbles

In 5 seasons. I consider that mediocre if we're just judging be stats.

stats can be misleading. Roth was better than EVERY LB on our roster last year and we let him walk. Roth went to Cleveland and played great.

Roth is an above average LB in this league who is only getting better

I agree. It killed me when we let him go. If I was a mover and shaker in the Front Office I think that's one situation I would look past. So we had problems with him. Get over it. Get him a deal, get him what he wants, straighten things out, whatever. He may have made some poor decisions, but the guy wasn't Pacman Jones. I was starting to get REAL excited about Matt Roth.

they didn't have to give Roth anything. That's the kicker. EVERYONE has known for the last year or so that this year would be uncapped and he would be stuck here for 2 more years.

Either Roth sits out 3 full seasons or he shows up and plays! Unless he won the powerball at some point, he would have shown up and played. Just Guessing!

I don't think this guy is going to be a bust much-less like Vernon Gholston.

I am debating if he he is worth a 12th pick overall... not if he is going to be viable in the NFL. This guy is a beast, trust me, I've seen it first hand.

A lot of people were/are projecting CB Jerome Murphy from USF as a 3rd round pick..... and i think people are out of their minds if they think that... he is awful...I dont even know how the kid gets drafted. So I am not completely bias.