I remember TBUCK picking off Manning in Manning's rookie year to seal the deal for the phins' win. TBUCK was playing nickel with Surtain / Madison at the CB's. Not a bad set of CB's

hes a leader and winner . you cant teach that .

ifShulaWasPrez Wrote:
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> hes a leader and winner . you cant teach that .


I disagree with that. Eli Manning was a .500 college QB and had only 1 real "good season". He was losing a lot of games on a sub-par team in a tough SEC conference. Since entering the NFl he has won a lot and is a true leader. I think winning and being a leader can be taught



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MikeO Wrote:
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> ifShulaWasPrez Wrote:
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> > hes a leader and winner . you cant teach that .
>
>
> I disagree with that. Eli Manning was a .500
> college QB and had only 1 real "good season". He
> was losing a lot of games on a sub-par team in a
> tough SEC conference. Since entering the NFl he
> has won a lot and is a true leader. I think
> winning and being a leader can be taught

I think the "leader" thing is a personality trait. It can't be taught. As for winning, that's different. Manning couldn't help being on a crappy team in a tough conference in college. Florida, on the other hand, is stacked with talent.

eli manning is nowhere near as athletic as tebow .

But Eli is a much better QB. And Eli wasn't a "winner" when he entered teh NFL. Now he is a "winner". So, I don't buy the ...."this guy is a winner" tag that is placed on kids.

Lots of kids enter the NFL coming off of teams that lost a ton in college. Does that not make them a "winner"?? Please

montequi Wrote:
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> MikeO Wrote:
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> > ifShulaWasPrez Wrote:
> >
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>
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> > > hes a leader and winner . you cant teach that
> .
> >
> >
> > I disagree with that. Eli Manning was a .500
> > college QB and had only 1 real "good season".
> He
> > was losing a lot of games on a sub-par team in
> a
> > tough SEC conference. Since entering the NFl he
> > has won a lot and is a true leader. I think
> > winning and being a leader can be taught
>
> I think the "leader" thing is a personality trait.
> It can't be taught. As for winning, that's
> different. Manning couldn't help being on a
> crappy team in a tough conference in college.
> Florida, on the other hand, is stacked with
> talent.

Stop, you're both right and both wrong. You can teach leadership. Some people are born with it and that is true, but many people can be taught. It all depends on attitude and desire to be a leader.

Winning is not just winning games in football. Individual players can't control what the "team" does. A player working his butt off and playing his heart out is a winner in his own right. That is why Eli is successful in the NFL. That is why Payton is successful in the NFL.
Is Payton a loser because the Colts lost the SB? Is Marino a loser because he never won the SB? Or was it that the DOLPINS did not win the SB.

Tebow is a winner and anyone can see that. Whether he is successful in the NFL will depend on his skills not whether he is a winner or not.

what happened to eli when their running game took a crap . he looks like the doofus he is . how bout doug flutie , he was a winner .

Eli looked great this year I don't know what your talking about

Yeah he did look great untill about week 5? 6? You know when he got a bad ankel. Tebow has great intangibles is what we are saying Mikeo, and fellow ney sayers. Yes he needs work, but come on two three years in, and PRESTOY hello better ROMO.

He has a workout scheduled with the Bills and Seahawks.

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Whether Tebow becomes a good NFL quarterback or not depends mostly on the team that drafts him...if he gets lucky and gets on a team with the pieces to help him he'll likely be good. If not then he'll just be another player. Most great players end up being great because of the system and the supporting cast where others fail because of the same things.

Case in point; Montana became a great quarterback in his third and fourth seasons but he wouldn't be nearly what he turned out to be without the system of the west coast offense and a great all around supporting cast.

If he had been drafted by the Lions, Cardinals, Buc's, Seahawks, Falcons, Patriots or Saints...he'd have been just another player that didn't live up to his talent or billing.

I think Tebow is in a great place right now. He's expected by nearly every major critic to flop at the QB position. Given that, when he doesn't fail in the coming years, it will be touted as an amazing achievement, worthy of many hours of Sportscenter coverage. I'm no fanboy, but this kid has the work ethic of a Payton Manning. No matter his actual given talent set, when you work that hard you don't have much option but to succeed to a certain level. Will he be an elite QB in the NFL? No. Will he be better than what some teams have starting now? Hell yes.

There not saying he will fail they are saying he probably wont be as elite as he was in college and he will have to work hard to catch on the NFL play styles, but to say that we want him so bad is to say that we have already given up on henne, i dont think he has done anything to be considered incapable yet, i thought he looked really good last year, given all the injuries we sustained and the lack of an NFL calibre WR core.

Ken Wrote:
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> Whether Tebow becomes a good NFL quarterback or
> not depends mostly on the team that drafts
> him...if he gets lucky and gets on a team with the
> pieces to help him he'll likely be good. If not
> then he'll just be another player. Most great
> players end up being great because of the system
> and the supporting cast where others fail because
> of the same things.
>
> Case in point; Montana became a great quarterback
> in his third and fourth seasons but he wouldn't be
> nearly what he turned out to be without the system
> of the west coast offense and a great all around
> supporting cast.
>
> If he had been drafted by the Lions, Cardinals,
> Buc's, Seahawks, Falcons, Patriots or
> Saints...he'd have been just another player that
> didn't live up to his talent or billing.

Tebow,Biggest question is whether someone can teach him how to throw the ball. If not he won't amount to much.

As far a Montana. I disagree. Joe had it all. He would have succeeded anywhere. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Leon In Denver Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
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> > Whether Tebow becomes a good NFL quarterback or
> > not depends mostly on the team that drafts
> > him...if he gets lucky and gets on a team with
> the
> > pieces to help him he'll likely be good. If not
> > then he'll just be another player. Most great
> > players end up being great because of the
> system
> > and the supporting cast where others fail
> because
> > of the same things.
> >
> > Case in point; Montana became a great
> quarterback
> > in his third and fourth seasons but he wouldn't
> be
> > nearly what he turned out to be without the
> system
> > of the west coast offense and a great all
> around
> > supporting cast.
> >
> > If he had been drafted by the Lions, Cardinals,
> > Buc's, Seahawks, Falcons, Patriots or
> > Saints...he'd have been just another player
> that
> > didn't live up to his talent or billing.
>
> Tebow,Biggest question is whether someone can
> teach him how to throw the ball. If not he won't
> amount to much.
>
> As far a Montana. I disagree. Joe had it all. He
> would have succeeded anywhere. That's my opinion
> and I'm sticking to it.

I don't believe ANY QB would have been successful in Detroit, St. Louis, Tampa, Atlanta, or New Orleans in the early 80's.

SanFran was Detroit calibre before Montana got there as I recall.

Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> SanFran was Detroit calibre before Montana got
> there as I recall.

It wasn't Montana (and I love the guy) it was Steve Walsh.

All this talk about Tim Tebow being a "winner," I don't follow college football that closely but aren't the Gators one of the best teams in the nation?

I mean it's not like that he plays for Portland State University and they are in the top 10 based on his performance.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> All this talk about Tim Tebow being a "winner," I
> don't follow college football that closely but
> aren't the Gators one of the best teams in the
> nation?
>
> I mean it's not like that he plays for Portland
> State University and they are in the top 10 based
> on his performance.

Agreed. I think Tony Pike from Cincinnati will be a much better QB in the NFL.

Leon In Denver Wrote:

> It wasn't Montana (and I love the guy) it was
> Steve Walsh.

do you mean bill walsh if so...
i totally agree look at the 1981 coaching staff of the 49ers they should have been successful because i believe most of those coaching went on to be head coaches one time or another in their career. i just wonder if you put dan tha man in that system how many rings would he have



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dolphinballin Wrote:
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> Leon In Denver Wrote:
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> > It wasn't Montana (and I love the guy) it was
> > Steve Walsh.
>
> do you mean bill walsh if so...
> i totally agree look at the 1981 coaching staff of
> the 49ers they should have been successful because
> i believe most of those coaching went on to be
> head coaches one time or another in their career.
> i just wonder if you put dan tha man in that
> system how many rings would he have

Woops, my bad. It was Bill Walsh.

Alex Smith scored a 40.

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