Miami will never be small market like Buffalo and Cincy. After NY and L.A., Miami probably has the biggest market in the country.

montequi Wrote:
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> Miami will never be small market like Buffalo and
> Cincy. After NY and L.A., Miami probably has the
> biggest market in the country.


Are you insane?? You got Chicago, Philly, Dallas, Washington D.C, Houston, Denver, Boston and about 5-7 more before you get to Miami.

And on top of that Miami is a bad sports town to boot!

MikeO Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
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> > Miami will never be small market like Buffalo
> and
> > Cincy. After NY and L.A., Miami probably has
> the
> > biggest market in the country.
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> Are you insane?? You got Chicago, Philly, Dallas,
> Washington D.C, Houston, Denver, Boston and about
> 5-7 more before you get to Miami.
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> And on top of that Miami is a bad sports town to
> boot!

You're nuts! Look at the population and tourism. Then consider the history the Dolphins have. How can you say ANY of those cities rank above Miami?! Have you ever been to those cities? Chicago, Philly, and D.C. are dumps! Dallas and Houston are mundane and boring cities. Boston has serious traffic problems. And Denver? Your kidding, right?

Look at the list of TV market sizes then you get back to me... and we can have a real discussion

MikeO Wrote:
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> Look at the list of TV market sizes then you get
> back to me... and we can have a real discussion

We're talking about money and Superbowls. Something that happens once-a-year. What does TV market have to do with it? Are you suggesting those other cities would be bigger money-makers than Miami? Who wants to go to Philly or Chicago in the winter? D.C., outside of the mall, is the most dangerous city in the country. Dallas gets ice storms. Houston's not much better. Shall I go on? Miami is a BIG money town. That's why it's so expensive to live there!

I believe you guys are using different parameters in your arguments. For true local market size, yes it's traditinoally a function of the local population as MikeO says. This is important when local media outlets are setting advertising rates. The more people who live in the area, the more who watch/listen to the local stations, the more money is raised.

Victor is right that the Phins just may have the most fans scattered around the globe. This was a few years ago, but I recall once reading that Phins merchandise was a top seller, right up there with the suckass Raiders and Cowboys. Merchandise sales are a money maker but advertising revenue is the most cherished prize. Tourism *is* important though, as people fly in (unfortunately from opposing teams) and buy up seats at JRS. But the tourists don't count towards the resident total that makes up the advertising market size that sets the ad rates.

Thank you JC!

Miami will be a small market NFL team if you take away the salary cap, if Ross sells the stadium and loses his main revenue stream for the organization. That was the original point. Miami is already a mid-sized TV market, you start giving big markets a blank check and then take away the Dolphins big revenue stream and guess what, your now small market

I thought this thread was about playing the Superbowl in Miami, not about dropping the salary cap.

NO.... its about if Ross sells the Stadium what it will do to the Miami Dolphins franchise long-term. And how it turns Miami into a bottom level market team like Cincy or Buffalo with no stable revenue stream outside the NFL TV deal and more added debt (gotta pay rent now).

You mean you didn't even know what this debate was about?????? Go back and read through my posts again.

Uhh..I started the thread. I think I would know what it was about.

obviously not.

but whatever. Happy Sunday