Chad Henne has had a horrible game so far. Penny would have at least been able to game manage better, read the defense, and get off quicker passes. Holding it all day, being out of position, and backing up 15 yards on a crucial drive is not what we want out of our QB.

Don't get me wrong, I like Henne. But he's a rookie and he'll need all year to improve.

Is there any doubt that we have a weak offense? Can we admit that? Or are we going to pull a sock over our heads and pretend the defense is the only side of the ball that's on the field? We need a functioning defense. We need to make some moves next season.

Penny would have been under pressure all game. No, I don't miss Penny.

Much as I couldn't pin our early losses on the QB, I can't pin this one on Henne. Our defense is putrid.

Henne will be fine. He had a tough day though.

No...cause with Penny starting we were 0-3 SAM!!!!


ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?!?!

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> No...cause with Penny starting we were 0-3
> SAM!!!!
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> ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?!?!


Absolutely agree.

We were 0-3 because our O line wouldn't block and the wildcat couldn't get cranked. Once the blocking started, and the wildcat worked, a we caught a few passes in between, we won a few.

But 14 points came from special teams and 7 points came from Jason Taylor. Those points did NOT come from Chad Henne and our offense.

Overall, I'm glad Henne is in there, but I'm just sayin. We were lucky we won this one.

The O-Line didn't block well in this game, either.

They're pretty solid, but the D on the Jets brought everybody. Hopefully next game he'll get more protection. Actually, coach needs to let him be in the shotgun, not pretending the play action under center when they know he's going to throw it.

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> The O-Line didn't block well in this game, either.


Yeah the Offensive line is still too inconsistent. They were kind of exposed today. They played weak and slow today. What did the offense have today a little over 100 yards of offense, less than 50 rushing? Yeah that's just sad no matter how you look at it.

For all the heat Tedd Ginn has been taking, HE WON THIS GAME. Without those 14 points we're looking at a 2-5 record, last in the division staring at a salivating Patriots offense ready to feed on our Defense.



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And without Jason Taylor's touchdown, we don't win this game, either.

Bottom line is offense didn't show up, which actually surprised me. I thought we would see some receivers step up today. I also expected Henne to get knocked around, which he did, but I still expected us to be better. But when we came out with Ronnie running out of base offense, and Henne having to back up and throw, I knew it would be a long game. I am shocked we didn't start out with the wildcat.

Henne seems like a tough SOB. I like the kid. I think he will be fine for what the Dolphins want to do offensively.

Great experience for the kid...that touchdown drive finishing with Haynos, was run well. Yes, he had an off game, but they'll work on him on unloading the ball quicker to avoid the blitz.

miamid45 Wrote:
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> Great experience for the kid...that touchdown
> drive finishing with Haynos, was run well. Yes,
> he had an off game, but they'll work on him on
> unloading the ball quicker to avoid the blitz.

The problem with this is that to do so, you need wide receivers who can get open quickly. We don't have any of those. They struggle to get open, period, let alone do it quickly.

I like Henne a lot don't get me wrong but i think Penny would have done maybe a little better because he has had more experience but I think Henne did alright. Phinsfan is right he had no one to throw to.

I don't miss him one bit. Henne had some passes dropped and was dropped himself on several occasions. He doesn't have the WR's he needs to make big plays. If he had better timing with hartline, they would have hooked up for another big play today, but he overthrew him.

Put it this way.......Henne did not give the game away with a stupid int. He played it safe.

All he needs to learn is to get rid of the ball when been pressured and not take the sack. Henne will be fine.

When you consider what Henne was up against today, he did fine. We had no running game to keep the Jets' defense honest, he found himself in obvious passing situations, he was under a heavy pass rush the whole game, and he has no receivers to bail him out. He took care of the ball and didn't take unnecessary risks.

I thought Henne did OK, considering the circumstances. Yeah, you want to see him show some awareness and chuck the ball out of bounds when he knows he's out of the tackle box and won't get flagged. But I'd rather see him take a sack than turn the ball over or draw a penalty.

He'll get better with time. Right now you have to expect him to have some good games and some bad games... today wasn't one of his best efforts (but the receivers and O-line didn't help a lot) and we still won thanks to a solid team effort... that should help his confidence, and the confidence of the whole team. Personally I'm moderately optimistic right now...

I like the fact that Henne didn't panic and lead that last TD drive.

I don't know if Pennington would have done anything different but with a different type of QB it's hard to say but Pennington is known for his accuracy and maybe with him in there plays would have been called differently, and last year we would control the ball in the 4th Q and give up very few points.( Pennington lead us to a div championship.)

I don't know... part of me wants Pennington in there for the experience so we can follow up on a very successful last season but another part of me wants Henne to gain as much experience as possible because he could very well be the future star for Miami and can throw the long bomb.

Man......

Yep, like razorghost says, the plays would have been called differently, and we probably would have moved down the field more methodically. But these are growing pains for Henne.

Regarding all the comments about WR, I don't disagree. That's been a glaring problem, and we need better receivers and tight ends. But Henne also has to find a way to get his man the ball, coverage or not. Or else run, or throw it away and not take a 15 yard sack.

Phinsfan it's good to hear some perspective from the stadium, and it did look like we were covered pretty good by the Jets. But in the beginning of the game I saw a QB off rhythm and not settled down. Hartline was way overthrown and that was a big deal because it was 3rd down. Then next series incomplete to Ginn 3rd down, and next series incomplete to Fasano.

As far as the O line, they played sub-par the beginning of the season. Yes, the Colts game was the ball-control game and we should have won it. But the first game of the season Jake was taken to school and the whole line crumbled. As far as the Charger game, Penny got hurt and I don't recall the O line being all that great in protection or creating running lanes for ronnie, regardless of the stats. In any event, the O line made steady improvement as the season progressed. The line may have taken a setback last night though.

Next game, we need to bring back the wildcat early and keep pounding it. They need to have Ronnie throw it a little. I know Ronnie is looking for opportunities - Fasano needs to get open. Henne also needs to play a little better.

Have you seen Henne's arm? Remember Pennington's passes?

I think Pennington was a better field general. I doubt we would have had as many sacks or lost the yardage that we did on them with Pennington, but on the whole, I think we are better off.

We are definately a better team with Henne. Overall, Henne is more useful to us. Pennington caused *ZERO* fear in any defense or their coordinator. Henne on the other hand is the exact opposite. They dont have much film on the guy, his numbers since taking over as the starter are great including his win/loss record, and the fact he has shown the arm strength to hit the deep ball has been perfect for our running game. I loved Pennington and as someone else has already stated, he was a great field general. But thats about where it ends.


Henne, IN MY OPINION, has surprisingly showed more poise and confidence that what I seen out of Pennington. I think Pennington knows he has weaknesses and when times get tough, he started to panic a little.

Henne's biggest weakness is just his lack of experience. But sometimes, thats not a bad thing.

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Agree 100% A&O.

Henne is going to be good once he figures out how to avoid pressure and gets some targets.

At least we're no longer arguing who is better between:

Fiedler and Feeley
Beck and Lemon
Culpepper and Harrington


Ahh...how times change!! It's good to be having this discussion between Penny and Henne. Both are actually good QBs!

LOL

Why oh why would we get our undies in a bunch about something that is a mute point?

Penny is done for the year.

It just doesn't matter if he is no longer an option.

Your right Jim. But its really funny that somebody would want Penny back when we are actually winning with Henne. Kind of an oxymoron, right!?

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