I don't mind the wildcat, but this is insane. The Saints figured it out last week and stopped it. The Jets got fooled once 20 days ago, now have it figured out and stopped it today. I don't mind a sprinkle of it here or there, but when the opponent has CLEARLY figured it out, just line up and play REAL FOOTBLL!!! We have the talent in our running game to run on anybody, we don't need the WILDCAT to run.

I have to agree with you on this MikeO

Agreed, but we also need to have Henne taking quick throws especially against the blitz...the Jets are killing us today with it.

One, two or three step drops should be used much more on quick hit passes.

You're completely wrong. The wildcat is the only formation we can run out of, and we need a running game. It's part of our game plan and what they're used to doing. I'm shocked that they abandoned it right from the start of the game.

We should have come out hard with the wildcat, and put in some passing plays for Ronnie. Even if the jets stuffed a few runs, in the first quarter you NEED to try to get it cranking. We didn't do it, and as a result couldn't even get a first down for several possessions.

Bad game plan.

The Jets have stopped every passing play Ronnie has attempted today. Even sacked him once for a huge loss

DolphinSam Wrote:
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> You're completely wrong. The wildcat is the only
> formation we can run out of, and we need a running
> game.

You missed part of the game? Ricky's been running well.

I love when the wild cat gets stopped and our own fans start to say we should stop using it when it is the main reason we lead the league in rushing... you dont believe me then why is like 28 out of 32 teams trying to copy and get a version of the wild cat. Maybe it does work? you think.

Where are the wild cat hater when we STOMPED!!! the jets? How about when we STOMPED!!! the pats the first time? How about when we ran wild on the colts? what about the saints? where was the STOP THE WILD CAT at then? Come on now, we need the cat to be successful. AND IT IS REAL FOOTBALL!!! infact it is MAN football. Everyone knows that we are going to run it is our line against your line and we keep winning.

I dont wanna stop using by any means but I am a little concerned about it stunting Henne's growth a little bit. If we come to a point of being out of the playoff picture I wouldnt mind using it less and letting him develope a little more, it has to hurt his growth as a complete QB a little if you ask me.

I think they should mix it up more with Pat White

Its not about them figuring it out.C'mon this is the nfl, every defense expects every play. Its all about execution. You think that a typical nfl defense wont figure out a basic Power run out of the I?? That doesnt mean stop running it. If you execute a play it doesnt matter if you tell the other team exactly what you are doing, it will still yield results. Stop with this wild cat criticism, its just a formation and a brilliant one at that. Its up to the players to execute and if they do then we win ball games whether its the wildcat or some other formation.

Exactly right Luis. O-line has to take back the line of scrimmage. It's been owned by the "other team" for the past 6 quarters. Doesn't matter if you're in the wishbone, the power I, or the wildcat...if your linemen lose to their linemen, you're most likely gonna lose the game.

Kudos to ginn yesterday for bailing out our O and D Lines!

they have got it figured out. Blitz your corners and bring 1 saftey in the box.

That is the recipe to stopping the wild cat.

MikeO Wrote:
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> they have got it figured out. Blitz your corners
> and bring 1 saftey in the box.
>
> That is the recipe to stopping the wild cat.


Henning will find a way of exploiting that. We can still get 2-3 yards guaranteed with it. That, in itself, makes it a good scheme.

i got no problem running it. But when they have clearly figured it out, you can run it less in some games. And not keep going to it that much

The problem that they don't get 2-3 yards guaranteed except in cases where they need 8-10 yards.

I think we can't underestimate the loss of Cobbs and his being in the right place and making the right block nearly every time in the early going.

joemama Wrote:
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> The problem that they don't get 2-3 yards
> guaranteed except in cases where they need 8-10
> yards.
>
Not true. We used it in short yardage situations in the last 2 games. It worked like a charm, even getting us a TD against N.O.

montequi Wrote:
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> joemama Wrote:
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> > The problem that they don't get 2-3 yards
> > guaranteed except in cases where they need 8-10
> > yards.
> >
> Not true. We used it in short yardage situations
> in the last 2 games. It worked like a charm, even
> getting us a TD against N.O.


"Here is a play or two where it worked" is quite a bit of distance from a "guarantee" I'm not saying it never works, but if it were literally a guarantee of 2-3 yards every play then the Dolphins would never have to punt. That is obviously ridiculous, but there have been plenty of short yardage plays where it has not gotten the first down.

definitely missing cobbs on the WC. Hilliard?

joemama Wrote:
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> there have been plenty
> of short yardage plays where it has not gotten the
> first down.

I don't recall any in the last several games.

The problem with using Pat White is that he isn't half the runner that Ronnie Brown is... it's a power running formation, so if you try to pound it with Pat White, it fails. Ronnie is what makes it work.

The reason it failed against the Jets was NOT because of the scheme... you don't think teams before the Jets didn't use the same "clog the box" scheme? The reason it didn't work is because the O-line was getting dominated. In the Wildcat and in regular formations... they weren't getting any movement off the line of scrimmage. Get that back and the Wildcat starts working again.

Well the other problem was that they were in long yardage situations almost all the time against the Jets.

The regular formation of the offense needs to be able to turn 1st and 10 into 2nd and 5 once in a while for the Wildcat to make any sense. This past Sunday they were not able to do anything.

Victor, I'm not going to go through the pbp's, but here is an example, in the 3rd Q against the Saints, with the momentum of the game shifting, the Dolphins lined up in the wildcat on a 2nd and 4 and got 2 years, then they lined up 3rd and 1 and got 1 yard and then they punted at a time when the defense really needed a rest.

WILDCAT FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

grooves12 Wrote:
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> The problem with using Pat White is that he isn't
> half the runner that Ronnie Brown is... it's a
> power running formation, so if you try to pound it
> with Pat White, it fails. Ronnie is what makes it
> work.
>
> The reason it failed against the Jets was NOT
> because of the scheme... you don't think teams
> before the Jets didn't use the same "clog the box"
> scheme? The reason it didn't work is because the
> O-line was getting dominated. In the Wildcat and
> in regular formations... they weren't getting any
> movement off the line of scrimmage. Get that back
> and the Wildcat starts working again.

Nice to see a true analysis. Very nice.

"Here here" to Grooves comments ... its about the execution.

I also think to make it work against NE, we'll see some passing wrinkles.

Passing game must develop.

BTW how about the defense showing up again?