I've become increasingly convinced that drafting - especially when in the first 1/2 of the 1st round - should be purely BPA, nearly completely untethered from need. I could foresee a scenario where the best player available at #13 is Tyler Warren. We have bigger needs - namely OG - than tight end, where Jonnu Smith had the best statistical TE season in franchise history. I'm not a draftnik or anything, so am leaning on prospect player rankings. There's not consensus, but Warren ends up in the top 10 pretty regularly, and hits #5 overall in a couple.

Part of the reason I focus on him in particular is because it might be the kind of pick that could have a greater impact than the simple addition of another TE. He measures taller and heavier than Julian Hill and much more than the departed Smythe. While it seems he has room to develop as a blocker, he has the physical tools. His receiving abilities don't need much commentary, as they're the biggest part of what makes him such a highly-rated prospect overall.
Adding him could enable our offense to morph into a more varied one with more ways to beat defenses than our current, in my opinion, over-reliance on speed. It might even result in a scenario where what's best for the team is to trade Tyreek.

I really think that Achane - if occasionally split out wide - can pick up a significant portion of the downfield speed threat that would be a void if Hill were traded. He's not Hill, but could he close the gap enough that the cost (both financial & drama) of Hill and potential benefit of trade return makes sense? If I'm Grier sitting at pick 13 and Warren is BPA, I make that pick and pull the trigger on what hopefully is a pre-negotiated trade for what might be a 2025 2nd round pick (obviously without giving full insight to another team into what the machinations of the plan).

I'd rather have:
- an offense that can beat you in more varied ways
- the ~$50M 2026 cap space (pre-June 1 trade is basically a bunch of 2025 dead money, but break even on the cap)
- another 2025 2nd round pick
- the lack of drama (or persistent risk of a ticking time bomb)
- less speed at 1 WR position, mitigated by Achane's speed
than Hill and an OG at 13 who may be more need than BPA.

It's 'ifs on top of ifs' and a lot can happen between now and the draft, but I don't think it's crazy to imagine ending up in this scenario.

I'm going with the need in this draft tsstamper. We have to get the big strong guard that can push his man off the line for our run game to work. That was the difference in our run game in '24 vs '23. Hunt would drive his man back. I like Warren but he would be a luxury pick. A TE with blocking skills is important to our run game.

I liked the TE from GA Tech, Hawes. Thought we could snatch him w/ 1 of out 7 round picks. But it looks like he did well in the Senior bowl and folks looked at his tape and he is projected as high as the 4th. Smart guy best block TE in the draft. I think.

I'm not fully convinced that Warren would be the right pick at 13 if we choose to stay there. He may not actually be BPA. If it's a Guard, CB, Safety, Edge, DT, etc. I'm open to whoever's truly best.

As I've read a bit (and, as I'm not really a draftnik, I've only begun looking) it seems that the draft is viewed as one with very few blue-chippers, but a decent amount of starting quality prospects. Things like:

"There are four, maybe five, blue-chip players," one NFL general manager said. "After that, it's 40 guys with a late-first-round or second-round grade."

"Player No. 15 on your board might have the same grade as No. 50."

So, it may be an opportunity to move down and get the BPA who also fills a need if there's a team who has a conviction about someone in particular at 13 that we don't see as BPA. And it might mean that an OG (or several OG) has/have the same grade as a number of other prospects.

My hope is we sign at least one OG in FA as a legit quality starter and prioritize drafting another OG by at least the 2nd round (again, ok if it's somewhere in the 1st round assuming BPA).

But, when I zoom out and think about team building, I look at all of the picks around Jaylen Waddle (who I love having on the team) and there are 3 picked in the 6 picks after him that are and seemingly will continue to be near the best at their position - on HoF tracks (Sewell, Surain II, Parsons). If we'd kept the #3 pick, you can add Chase to that list. This is a bit of a stretch because so many WR were picked ahead of him in 2020, but we took Austin Jackson over Justin Jefferson.

It may be that the nature of the 2025 draft is that there are so few blue-chippers that we're better to prioritize need within what seems to be a relatively broad window therafter. But, I think that would be an anomaly among drafts.

In my scenario, I was looking at how BPA might unlock additional value. Definitely in agreement with you that we need good TE blocking, and I need to look into Hawes.

Pick the Best Olinemen. Then pick another. Then.......another. Special teams depth and then another lineman.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Well, it will be easy for the Fins to draft either way as they need help at almost every position on every side of the ball.

Reaching way back, I like the version of this when it ends up being Richmond Webb & Keith Sims...but not when it ends up being Billy Milner & Andrew Greene.

tsstamper Wrote:
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> Reaching way back, I like the version of this when
> it ends up being Richmond Webb & Keith Sims...but
> not when it ends up being Billy Milner & Andrew
> Greene.


Or Dion Jordon.......


GO DOLPHINS!!!!

No kidding...with you on that one. The 2013 draft was basically abysmal in the 1st round, but picking Jordan at #3 right in front of Lane Johnson (who, crazily, was the 3rd OT picked) is a kick in the goods. Picks 6-17 (we originally had #12) were basically all turds. FAR better players were picked in the 3rd round with Kelce, Mathieu, our own Terron Armstead and Keenan Allen.

Someone said it. They have needs at multiple positions. Whomever they take at 13 will be for a need. I'd prefer a CB or S at 13 then a G in the 2nd.

If they take a WR or QB before the 6th they're fools.

Malaki Starks saftey is a possibility at 13 because no Olinemen are worthy of Top 20 in this draft. But we need to pick at least 2 OLINEMEN. 3-7 rounds.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Drop down and add picks. This is a fairly deep draft and I have mocked some hauls by dropping down. need to get a future QB Dart, Gabriel, McCord, Rourke, Howard some OL, S/CB, DL, TE, WR, RB, some great value mid to late rounds

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Drop down and add picks. This is a fairly deep
> draft and I have mocked some hauls by dropping
> down. need to get a future QB Dart, Gabriel,
> McCord, Rourke, Howard some OL, S/CB, DL, TE, WR,
> RB, some great value mid to late rounds



That makes too much sense for this admin.
Monkeys Fing a football

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Now with Ramsey on the trade block Im for holding steady at 13. We are going to need that top 10 player that is going to drop. Might be Johnson. I wanted Banks or Grant but if Johnson drops Im going for him. In my head I would like to see us trade Ramsey to SF for their second, flip 3rds and throw in a 7. We rebuild our secondary, bring in DLineman that can contribute and Oline depth. Draft would look something like:

1 Johnson CB MI
2 Amos CB MS SF – Ramsey flip 3rds/7
2 Collins DL TX
3 Mukuba S TX
4 Broughton DL TX
4 Pegues DL MS
5 Pierce OL RUTG
5 Robinson EDG AL
7 Taylor OL PITT
7 Black DL1 IA SF
7 Perry OL MIDDLB
7 Elgersma QB LAN-CAN

3 db's that can start their rookie years, 3 DLinemen that can contribute as rookies. I just like Black from IA played like a 2nd rounder in 2023 but in 2024 OLs locked in on him. Pierce is big, strong and smart, Taylor will probably be a better guard in the nfl and I like Elgersma's arm and eyes. Not in love w/ any of the qbs in this draft so bring in a development project. Robinson is insurance against Phillips injury history.

They can deny it all they want but these moves they're making scream rebuild again. Ramsey was made the highest paid DB last year now you want to trade him?

This is a rudderless ship and I would be thrilled if they fired Grier and the entire scouting department immediately after the draft. He's had plenty of time.

Just think if Tindall and Cam Smith were ready to fill some of these holes. That's how good teams build.

Can't wait until they wait until the 6th to take OL and then gaslight us on Eichenberg.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> They can deny it all they want but these moves
> they're making scream rebuild again. Ramsey was
> made the highest paid DB last year now you want to
> trade him?
>
> This is a rudderless ship and I would be thrilled
> if they fired Grier and the entire scouting
> department immediately after the draft. He's had
> plenty of time.
>
> Just think if Tindall and Cam Smith were ready to
> fill some of these holes. That's how good teams
> build.
>
> Can't wait until they wait until the 6th to take
> OL and then gaslight us on Eichenberg.



I agree 100% except.......Ramsey was worth it. Imagine we kept Wilkins and Van Ginkle and dumped Tyreek!? Grier actually has good football insticts. He just cant manage the money. Ross is a Billionaire and cant see that!? Get a guy in charge that can manage the contracts. McD needs to go.Hes a great QB coach. Doesnt know shit about defense.

Look you gotta pay talent. I get that. But be smart. You dont extend contracts to win 1 season. The players see it and quit like Tyreek. Its pathetic and the Oline looks to be worse with Artstead gone and no one to take his place.

I have 0% confidence going into this season. Watch us make the playoffs now.......

GO DOLPHINS!!!!