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I will admit that I did not want Tua. His history of injuries and playing on a team with vastly superior skill players compared to the opposition were a few of the factors. Wanted Herbert or Allen in the past, you can't teach a cannon for an arm, you can teach WR's how to catch a ball.
That being said, If we traded Tua for Watson I would only do it for a straight player trade, nothing else. Watson wants out and that is leverage for us. If not we have a QB who could potentially be good.
One other thing, someone mentioned Tua's Samoan background well did anyone think that Penei Sewell is Samoan as well.
Watson is not the only person not happy with the GM decision in HOU. It is normal in an employment situation to be irritated when you get pulled into a meeting where they say they want your input then its totally dismissed. HOU management made the big deal that they were pulling Watson in the decision making process. Watson has an impeccable reputation in HOU.
Stop telling the players they are part of the process and then renege. I would not like to look like an idiot. Phins said how Minka was a smart intelligent player then when he simply said that he should be spending time at his primary player he is a malcontent. He is an all pro safety that is what he is and the leader in the PIT secondary.
I would not give HOU anything more than what I stated above but yes I would get him if we had the chance.
Not Me. Watson is anything but a Professional. Hes a 25 yr old pampered athlete that thinks the world owes him. All they owe him is $156 Million.
If you told Terry Bradshaw , or Dan Marino , or Joe Montana , True old school professionals that you would be crying about a coach decision , something you have zero input in after getting one of the biggest contracts in NFL history they would laugh.
You signed on the dotted line. YOU MADE A commitment. They Paid you. STFU. The NFL is a team sport. Everyone has a job. DO YOUR JOB. thats it. A 3 yr QB making head coaching decisions!? Really? Houston and all the owners need to set a precedent here. Or risk more players thinking they are more important then the team they represent and going Roque.
I wouldn't want him on my team. BUT that said......if he could make my team better its worth a look. But for what they are asking....TUA and all our picks? LOL. Are you crazy? And a contract that will haunt us for yrs?
No other Team will do it either. Except maybe the Jets. Because they always do stupid shit. We dont anymore. Thank god.
If we trade Tua straight up for Watson I would be ok with that. Otherwise if we have to give up a draft pick then I would not do it.
Huge salary to take on would be one thing but then to loose draft choices over it is to much of a price to pay.
> If we trade Tua straight up for Watson I would be
> ok with that. Otherwise if we have to give up a
> draft pick then I would not do it.
> Huge salary to take on would be one thing but then
> to loose draft choices over it is to much of a
> price to pay.
NOT TO MENTION......They would want our 3rd and 18th pick plus TUA , Thats 3 #1's AND they want our Pro Bowl Cornerback Howard. Yes.Lol. Seriously.....
TT is here to stay and will be given time to develop. (That is my opinion). He was a gamble and investment in the future success of the team. BTW, not too many investments are not gambles unless you're the owner of the great Secretariat--then it's a sure thing.
Building a team of play makers to complete the air offense is a must and so is surrounding TT with superb pass blocking and run blocking offensive linemen.
Passing on Devonta Smith IF he's available at #3 would be a very foolish thing to do for the Dolphins. This pick is a must to do followed by selecting top notch linemen prospects to improve pass blocking and run blocking.
This always comes down to wise decision making. Picking the right guy to be the next Offensive Coordinator is extremely important too.
Samsam I would not give up that much for him. Getting the right OC is a big thing.
I always look at drafting players like this. Is the #1 player at that position in my evaluation head and shoulders above the rest or is the #2 or #3 player close to the #1 guy, what is the gap.
I think Sewell is way above anyone at his position. There are at least 3 receivers that could go first receiver off the board but only one Tackle. If I had to stay at 3 and two QBs go before them I would have to draft Sewell.
Hopefully our Team meets with Sewell and Smith. Both of these kids are insrant superstars. Its going to be interesting to see which way our front office goes.
But we won't likely privy to whatever sways them one way or another. Again A new OC should be #1 priority.
If its a more run friendly offense I see Sewell and the best RB available in the 2nd round. Best Reciever at 18.
If its more pass....which should be the direction taking TUAs top5 status...I see Smith at #3 and a lineman at #18.
Best RB in 2 with a Linebacker.
Unless the Jets pass on Fields...I see a 5% chance of that because the Jets are .....well the Jets. Then Miami will be deluged with Pick offers.
Maybe back 3 spots to Detroit and we can still get Smith or Sewell......
Again......cant lose from any scenerio.A nice place to be in.
Any body wonders why marinos offensive lines were never bad olines?
Marino had a quick release and the receivers like duper and clayton irvin friar mcduffy...got much separation from dbs...
Therefore the oline looked good...
Not once did i hear say miamis line well they are a little bit shacky...not once.
Marino made the oline look good.
Not comparing marino to anyone...dont sart with that tcpf. Just saying that a talented qb can make an oline look good.
More than once i heard this year the announcer say tua has a quick release...now we need receivers that can get open...tua was playing this year with receivers from the jv squad. He needs some varsity receivers.
When you say a good Oline are you taking into account we had zero ground game during those 17 yrs ?. Marino basically stepped back and through it.
His accuracy was unequaled. Oline basically just had to have a good 1st push. Here's the other issue.....when you throw throw throw....you don't control the clock like a good run game and a good defense will.
Thats why he never won a championship. Other teams saw it, and counter balanced his scores.
Some good thoughts though there. Your not entirely wrong at all. Somewhere with your Oline pass rush thoughts, and other aspects of offense we have a formula for winning.
Watson's whining isn't a good fit for the Dolphins' locker room. I believe Miami has enough leverage to trade up for the #1 overall pick to get Lawrence if they really want to but they won't. I think they'll build around Tua, that's the vibe I'm getting when I read what Flores says. I'd be happy getting Smith at #3, this team needs a legit #1 WR and I think Tua could flourish with him on the roster.
Samsam.... while I like Smith at WR I think Ja'Marr Chase is a better overall receiver because he is willing to block and still has great WR skills. I think any of the top 3 WR will be excellent pros.
Moving on to the drafting offensive linemen. Any statement about comparing an average Marino line to every other QB line is foolish at best because he had the fastest release in football, and yes HE didn't need a great line. If we had Marino at QB I would agree , but we don't. I truly believe a great line can make an average QB and RB look great. And not the other way around. I do get what you are saying, I am just saying we have to get the talented QB first, and I do hope it is Tua, if not we better have a great line.
A perfect example is Dallas. Dak and Ezekel looked great their first year because of the best line in football. When the line started to fall apart they just look like average players.