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More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 23, 2017 10:05AM

Just look at the last 4 teams remaining in the playoffs. Pitts, New England, The Packers and Atlanta.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: January 23, 2017 10:16AM

Agreed but look how long it took Ryan to be a top qb. I'm all for using a 3rd or 4th every couple of years on a QB. Competition is good but the thing that sticks out with the 4 is continuity.

Ryan had new coords forever until dan quinn was hired. He's playing in the same system for the second straight year and it shows.

Tanne made strides this year. Hopefully next year it's astronomical like Ryan's this year. If not, that's why you continually draft QBs.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: January 23, 2017 12:29PM

I saw the "Subject" of this topic and didn't even have to check to see who the author was.

Anyway, I agree with jsm08 and others on this board that there should be no restrictions on Miami drafting a QB every year, but not in the first three rounds, unless a superstar somehow slips to them.

The 2017 draft I would definitely take a QB as there are no guarantees if RT's knee is going to hold up or if he will be able to move around on it.

Insurance.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: January 23, 2017 02:08PM

Oh, I don't know Cap....I could have done the original post.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 24, 2017 05:04AM


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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: January 24, 2017 09:00AM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Its a logical thread. And im not trying to knock
> off Tannehill in any way.
>
> Maybe he comes back next year and kills it. Thats
> what iam hoping.
>
> But he needs to get to the next level for the
> phins to go far in the playoffs.
>
>
> Capkoi wrote : I saw the "Subject" of this topic
> and didn't even have to check to see who the
> author was.
>
>
> Whats that suppose to mean capkoi?

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What that means, Sam, is that when there is any conversation concerning QBs, you are always there, always looking to replace RT.

I have agreed that if there is a Marino sitting there when Miami picks, no doubt about it, pick him! But, although RT is, at times, inconsistent (as is every damn QB in the league, even the super stars), he is a guy who has had good seasons since he has been the starting QB. RT is not a Marino, and never will be; he is a guy that needs a good supporting cast. Once he has that, he can get the job done. Gase got the HC job, and Ryan greatly improved his game.

BTW, as great as Marino was, the Dolphins made it to one Super Bowl, and that period of time was with one of the greatest coaches of all time at the helm.

So until the next Marino comes along, RT is Miami's QB.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 24, 2017 11:27AM

Capkoi wrote:BTW, as great as Marino was, the Dolphins made it to one Super Bowl, and that period of time was with one of the greatest coaches of all time at the helm.


Yes but we were in the playoffs almost every year and made it to the superbowl once and were in the AFC Championship more than once with marino.

Thats all iam asking of tannehill.

All iam asking is for a chance in the playoffs.

Unfortunately tannehill does not have the ability marino had.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: January 24, 2017 02:30PM

Also the comparison of Tannehill to Marino presents a false....moreso a fallacious....equivalency.

Marino failed to win SuperBowl DESPITE his overwhelming talent. If anything Tannehill getting sacked during games killing numerous drives and his failure on long balls except toward the end of the season, basically kept us out of the SuperBowl and sometimes even the playoffs. Yes, one can complain about our less than perfect offensive line but remember at times during his tenure that line contained greats such as Pouncey and Long and Branden Albert Richie Igcognito. As for a running game, we now have Ajayi but also had Lamar Miller.

If you're going to compare Marino and Tanny, also remember Marino's success began immediately. We did not have to wait for him to mature.

I know you're not saying Tanny IS Marino or even is as good as but you do seem to be saying that Tanny has excuses in terms of a deficiency in his team that Marino didn't have.

Not true. Marino had no defenses. He just had to outscore every other opponent

He didn't have Griese's Hall of Fame offensive AND defensive lines.

Marino did it all.

If you want to make that excuse comparison in Quarterback performances you should have used Griese and said that Tannehill did not have Griese's type of team behind him. Marino was a bad, bad, bad example because with the exception of his receivers, he basically did it all by himself.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: January 25, 2017 12:43AM


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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: Hooligan2 ()
Date: January 25, 2017 04:52AM

I'd still like to see more of Doughty. I hope he makes it though the off season and gets a chance to develop.

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It is HEALTH that is the true wealth, not pieces of gold and silver.
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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: January 25, 2017 11:39AM

With our absolutely brutal schedule next season it may not matter who our QB is...Marino himself may not be good enough. Without a very strong team, being able to keep our F/A players, very good luck with injuries and a few key bounces going our way. We may not have a chance at the record we all enjoyed this season.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: January 25, 2017 12:20PM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Also the comparison of Tannehill to Marino
> presents a false....moreso a
> fallacious....equivalency.
>
> Marino failed to win SuperBowl DESPITE his
> overwhelming talent. If anything Tannehill
> getting sacked during games killing numerous
> drives and his failure on long balls except toward
> the end of the season, basically kept us out of
> the SuperBowl and sometimes even the playoffs.
> Yes, one can complain about our less than perfect
> offensive line but remember at times during his
> tenure that line contained greats such as Pouncey
> and Long and Branden Albert Richie Igcognito. As
> for a running game, we now have Ajayi but also had
> Lamar Miller.
>
> If you're going to compare Marino and Tanny, also
> remember Marino's success began immediately. We
> did not have to wait for him to mature.
>
> I know you're not saying Tanny IS Marino or even
> is as good as but you do seem to be saying that
> Tanny has excuses in terms of a deficiency in his
> team that Marino didn't have.
>
> Not true. Marino had no defenses. He just had to
> outscore every other opponent
>
> He didn't have Griese's Hall of Fame offensive AND
> defensive lines.
>
> Marino did it all.
>
> If you want to make that excuse comparison in
> Quarterback performances you should have used
> Griese and said that Tannehill did not have
> Griese's type of team behind him. Marino was a
> bad, bad, bad example because with the exception
> of his receivers, he basically did it all by
> himself.

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Chryen, not sure if you read my post or you just commented on what Sam reposted, but I was not comparing Marino and RT.

I also am well aware of what Marino had or did not have and am also aware he did much of it himself and was a gifted QB.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: January 25, 2017 12:21PM

jsm08 Wrote:
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> I don't think we have much to worry about this
> year. Here's a list of draft eligible QBs.
> Unless one of the top ones borrows Tunsil's gas
> mask and falls to the 3rd or 4th round I wouldn't
> waste the pick.
>
> The only late round project I'd take in the 6th or
> 7th is Chad Kelly.
>
> Kaaya may be there in the later rounds and may be
> worth a flyer however the few times I saw him play
> he had a noodle arm.
>
> Draft Eligible QBs 2017

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Kaaya is slated for the third round, second at best.

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Re: More proof you need a top QB to reach superbowl.
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: January 25, 2017 12:31PM


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