Rumor was the Philbin had given up on Tannehill and wanted to bench him, and Ross said no. Will Gase hitch his future to Tannehill or will he insist on bringing in his own guy. We certainly are in a position this year to draft a QB very early. Opinions?

Give Ryan an excellent OL with a consistent running game and excellent pass pro then we'll talk!

The kid obviously has NOT had good coaching nor a system that's optimized for his skill set. Beyond that -- Phil(of shit)bin was a cancer rotting this team from the inside out.

Go Ross!

LOL.

BNF.

I think we take a qb after round 3. I would not resign Moore and would bring in someone to develop behind Tanne. The good thing is 1 of several qb's should be available. Hackenberg, Coker, Hogan and Sudfeld would make good young backups. All have better arms than Tanne coming out of college and I have seen each of them have games just as good as Moore and Connor.

nice to see BNF back on the board.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Qbs drafted outside of round 1 are rarely anything to write home about. The odds of getting a QB worth a damn in layer rounds are one in a million.

Like Tom Brady? (Sixth round).

I'd like to see someone go back to say 1967 (our Bob Griese draft) and see which quarterbacks were drafted after the 1st round.

Might be difficult to find without going through each draft year which is 48 years.

Or you could go back to about 2000.

But I don't, without research, agree with this statement. There have been far more first round busts at quarterback than not. This being true, a lot of good quarterbacks must be coming from other rounds.

If the right players are there, in a perfect world, I would like to see us pick a CB in the 1st, a MLB in the 2nd and a Guard in the 3rd...

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I think Gase is here because of Tannehill and I believe RT17 will be a better QB because of him.

If a QB is drafted it'll be to replace Matt Moore. A younger QB would want to compete and push RT17 without costing 3 mil a year. Matt Moore is one happy camper right thanks to RT17's durability. I really do think Moore's days are numbered here in Miami.


This is all just my own little theory though I could be wrong.

Omar had been ripping the Gase hiring since the announcement but even he admitted yesterday that he talked to insiders "who he trusts" and they told him Gase was the real deal. He is at the Senior Bowl this week so he is around lots of scouts and coaches.

That's reassuring to hear.

I agree about Matt Moore.

I disagree that you cannot find a QB outside of round 1. They usually need some development but several had had success in recent years.

Kirk Cousins, Brock Osweiler, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Matt Hasselbeck, AJ McCarron.

That's just QB's that have played this year alone.

Some mixed reviews there but with the right coaches, you can find and develop a future starter.

There are several this year that just need some seasoning.

"But I don't, without research, agree with this statement. There have been far more first round busts at quarterback than not. This being true, a lot of good quarterbacks must be coming from other rounds."

I completely agree with this statement. After a quick and dirty check, I find that there is only slightly fewer later round QB picks
that played in a Super Bowl than first rounders.

Rick

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Like Tom Brady? (Sixth round).
>
> I'd like to see someone go back to say 1967 (our
> Bob Griese draft) and see which quarterbacks were
> drafted after the 1st round.
>
> Might be difficult to find without going through
> each draft year which is 48 years.
>
> Or you could go back to about 2000.
>
> But I don't, without research, agree with this
> statement. There have been far more first round
> busts at quarterback than not. This being true, a
> lot of good quarterbacks must be coming from other
> rounds.

Those are extreme outliers. You're picking out the very rare out of the masses. Look at the current qb situation in the nfl and look at the percentage of starting, successful qbs and you'll have an idea of how likely it will be to find a 3rd round or later starting qb that doesn't suck.

Philbins an asshole. Thats why hes gone.

One of the reasons Gase choose to come here over other offers was Tannehill.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

You're right, FG. They are the "exception" and even uncommon but is a 1st round bust or a 3rd success REALLY that rare? I don't think so.

My point isn't to argue statistics, but to state that I'm tired of qbs that aren't upper tier, and that not drafting one in the first is just more of the same. I'm calling it now, if we draft a QB in any other round than the first, he won't amount to anything.

FootballGod Wrote:
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> My point isn't to argue statistics, but to state
> that I'm tired of qbs that aren't upper tier, and
> that not drafting one in the first is just more of
> the same. I'm calling it now, if we draft a QB in
> any other round than the first, he won't amount to
> anything.

I agree.and it's a wasted Draft pick because we have serious needs at linemen and corners. We need to trade down get extra picks and grab multiple big bodies.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

There have bee a few people on this board more critical of Tannehill than me but really not that many.

Even so, to draft a QB in the first round (which you say is the only way worth drafting a Q would really be unwise.

Now if you are saying cross QB off your list then hey, I won't argue with that.

But my point is that for us who would like to hedge our bets on Tanny, then I like drafting in the later rounds and see what happens at training camp and preseason.

If you think our team is so fos that we need to devote the first five rounds to offensive and defensive linemen and secondary, I respect that but don't agree.

For what its worth -- we do have Logan Thomas on the roster.

And I've always been a fan of a QB whose name reads better when reversed:

I.E., Thomas Logan

The kid can get 'er done both ways!

True Story.

BNF.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> They are not drafting a QB in the first
> round....probably not in the first 3 rounds.
>
> And the opinion, according to a source, is that
> Adam Gase is more than pleased with what he's seen
> of Ryan Tannehill on tape.
>
> Indeed, Gase has told multiple people within the
> Dolphins organization that he doesn't quite
> understand why some people are up in arms about
> Tannehill because what he sees on tape is the
> makings of a good NFL quarterback.
>
> That feeling, by the way, is now coursing
> throughout the Dolphins coaching staff. In short,
> everyone is on board with Tannehill.
>
> Similar to what some of us have been saying, he
> needs "tweaked" to push his game to the next
> level.
>
> We need so much help at other positions. We have
> more holes than we have for years.
>
> Depending on who is available, and I'm guessing it
> won't be a top player, we would benefit from
> trading down IF Grier can identify NFL players.
>
> Not sure who we could trade but we need more draft
> picks.
>
> “I’m extremely impressed with him,”
> Christensen said. “He’s been extremely
> productive and he’s played some awful long
> stretches of good football and seems like he has
> all the things you’re looking for a guy who
> wants to be good, who has it in perspective and
> I’m really looking forward to seeing him on the
> field.”
>
> Clyde also reiterated that T-hill needs someone to
> support him and someone that can be an ally. He
> said it's hard to make friends when your the QB.
>
> This is the second time I'm hearing this sort of
> sentiment. It makes me think that it was known
> behind closed doors that the previous coaching
> staff was not supporting T-hill the way they
> should have... They were not good enough to help
> him so they gave up in hopes of getting a new QB
> and three more years on their contracts.

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Ya know, if the coaches can't get this OL straightened, I don't care how many or how great our "QB Whispers" are, RT's game won't improve that much. That OL is solid, RT can lead them to wins with good numbers (better than what he has been getting, and his numbers have been good).

Drafting a QB in the first three rounds....QB is not a problem area for this team. We already know the areas that need to be shored up, but even more could be added if Miami doesn't retain some of its FA, i.e., OV, and if Wake decides to not return. Then DE can be added to the list.

I don't want Miami overpaying, either. OV is going to demand a lot of money. Miami doesn't have big bucks to spend this year, especially with all the holes that need to be filled.

Yes, trading down is Miami's best option to (try) to fill the holes, but again, Miami can't trade down too far, otherwise they won't be getting first round talent.

But part of the problem with the OL has been that Tannehill holds the ball too long and doesn't seem to have the instincts to avoid sacks while in the pocket.

So while improving the OL would help the QB, the inverse is also true.

Perhaps giving Tannehill more support (a longer leash) and more freedom at the line of scrimmage will allow him to get into better plays so he knows what he wants and can react quicker and take less sacks. Essentially the opposite of the Philbin/Campbell philosophy that they wanted to put less on his plate hoping that he'd react more quickly with less decisions to make.

Honestly, I'd rather have Tannehill take delay of game penalties as he tries to figure out how to adjust to the defense and what play he wants to get into than to have him stuck in a bad play that results in a sack. It's just basic math. Sacks are loss of down plus usually 10 yards. Delay of game penalties are just 5 yards with no loss of down.

As far as drafting a QB - I'd say no. Gase admitted two things after being hired 1) He was all in on Tannehill and gave him his full support and 2) He hadn't watched any tape of Tannehill when he made his pitch to Ross/Tannenbaum about being all in on Tannehill. I'm not a fan of that information, but I don't see how there's anyway he pushes to draft a QB. If we draft one, it's because Tannenbaum wants a certain guy.

Based on what they're saying? Yes, they draft a QB. It's smokescreen season. Everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt.

Tannenbaum? He has to support Thill because he gave him a big extension. His job is riding on it.

So plan B has to start this year. They have to be able to groom a replacement. If not and Thill is the problem you're heading into 2017 with another Rookie 1st rounder and staring at another losing record. 2018 will be year 3 of the Gase regime and viewed as a make or break season.

The pats have been drafting plan Bs for years and as Brady hasn't slowed they've traded them.

Thill is as much of the line problem as the line so wasting our picks on oline again and again isn't going to solve that.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> so wasting our picks on oline again and again
> isn't going to solve that.

Key point is simple. Waste = problem NOT solved.

That has ZERO to do with Thill -- regardless of how you rank his game. So let's try to keep to some semblance of fact regarding our OL play.

We need to improve on the OL in a big way. I think we can all agree on that. Now once that is achieved -- we can evaluate Thill with some degree of relative fairness.

I believe that's what a lot of us believe.

BNF.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Give Ryan an excellent OL with a consistent
> running game and excellent pass pro then we'll
> talk!
>
Hold on there. Give almost ANY QB excellent pass protection and a good running game and they'll produce. Marino produced but he never had that running game. He also won games even with no support from his defense. Brady wins with nobodies on his O-Line and at RB. If RT is ever going to be a true franchise QB, he has to learn to win under duress...to win when the odds are against him...to rally the team around him and pull off wins when we're outgunned.

FootballGod Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Like Tom Brady? (Sixth round).
> >
> > I'd like to see someone go back to say 1967
> (our
> > Bob Griese draft) and see which quarterbacks
> were
> > drafted after the 1st round.
> >
> > Might be difficult to find without going
> through
> > each draft year which is 48 years.
> >
> > Or you could go back to about 2000.
> >
> > But I don't, without research, agree with this
> > statement. There have been far more first
> round
> > busts at quarterback than not. This being true,
> a
> > lot of good quarterbacks must be coming from
> other
> > rounds.
>
> Those are extreme outliers. You're picking out the
> very rare out of the masses. Look at the current
> qb situation in the nfl and look at the percentage
> of starting, successful qbs and you'll have an
> idea of how likely it will be to find a 3rd round
> or later starting qb that doesn't suck.

Brady aside, do you mean outliers like Kurt Warner (undrafted), Tony Romo (undrafted), Tyrod Taylor (6th round), Brian Hoyer (undrafted), Russell Wilson (3rd round), Kirk Cousins (4th round)? Actually, I've noticed a trend that the most successful QBs in the league tend NOT to be drafted in the high 1st round (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Dalton, Bridgewater). It's almost as if the odds are against you if you're a QB drafted in the top 10.

tsstamper- from what I read it seems like Philbin blamed Tannehill for being forced to fire his long time friend, Mike Sherman. And then he seemed to resent him since that point.... I also think Zach Taylor should have been fired at the same time as Sherman. But was kept on as a kind of truths deal between Philbin and FO, with Sherman his father in law leaving... Remember Philbin controlled his staff, so technically he could not be forced to fire Sherman.. Realistically they all should have been shown the door. But Sherman fell on the sword for his son in law(Taylor) and Philbin...

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