ChyrenB Wrote:
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> All of this "Pats weren't even trying" stuff is
> not only wrong but laughable.
>
> So if the "weren't even trying" why EVEN LEAVE
> BRADY IN A GAME IN WHICH HE COULD STEP INTO A HOLE
> AND BREAK HIS ANKLE?" let alone get injured on the
> countless dirty plays that Suh and others hit him
> with and were
> penalized?????????????????????????????????????????
> ??????????
>
> That doesn't make sense.
>
>
> This is not to mention that by losing this game
> they put themselves at risk for the very thing
> that future events LATER THAT DAY prove COULD AND
> DID HAPPEN.........that they LOST THE NUMBER ONE
> SEED AND THAT MEANS THAT SHOULD THERE BE AN AFC
> CHAMPIONSHIP GAME BETWEEN THE TWO, IT WILL BE IN
> DENVER AGAINST PEYTON MANNING AND NOT IN FOXSBORO,
> MASSACHUSETTS!!!
>
> Have you guys lost your minds??????????????????
>
> Had Brady not played or played the first series
> only, then I might have thought about it in
> amazement but given he played the whole
> game....not trying...............come on!

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Chryen, the Pats wanted to win for home field advantage, but...

They weren't going to get their starters (i.e., Brady) hurt doing it, although that almost happened, anyway.

Did you watch the first half? Brady throws what, five passes? When did you see Brady ever do that? They ran the ball in hopes of gashing Miami's D Line like the majority of Miami's opponents have done all year. It didn't work, this time. Miami played sky high while the Pats were just there, hoping they could play safe and win.

I'm not gonna say they weren't trying, as that is how players get hurt. They just played a safe game and hoped for the best.

Just read yours Cap after replying to berk.

Yours makes much more sense.

They tried to win the game but they weren't going to go ALL OUT!

That's a whole lot different from suggestions that they weren't even trying to win the game.

That's silly!!!! If they weren't trying to win, why play Brady at all???


Denver started Osweiler until it looked like they would lose and then they threw in Peyton.

Why????

They wanted the damn home field advantage throughout.

Anybody who thinks that Bellicheat was thinking otherwise needs to see me for a sure fire investment plan I can sell them that involves a business prospect in Syria.

in the vein of the OP, I know he is ancient but I am wondering if Tom Coughlin could be considered for the job. He's been the perennial thorn in the side for Beli since they parted ways in New York. I think he'd be a great fit here.

I agree toko. If we truly want to change the culture get Coughlin here for 4-5 years. He'll assemble a quality staff and groom our next HC.

I'm not going to hold my breath though. Tannenbaum is too insecure to someone like that. I fully expect us to drag this process out to the extent that most of the candidates will withdrawal themselves from consideration leaving us to settle for the bottom of the barrel.

The organization will sell it as a thorough process and getting the right man for the job.

I respect Coughlin and the Giants organization but at 69 do you think he has the energy to salvage this mess that we are in?

From everyone they have named so far as non playoff guys go I like Smith and Marrone

From what I've read Smith is Philbib II

According to the PalmBeachPost.com it was 20 years ago today (Jan 5) that Huizenga destroyed the Dolphins and forced Shula's retirement.



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pafinfan Wrote:
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> According to the PalmBeachPost.com it was 20 years
> ago today (Jan 5) that Huizenga destroyed the
> Dolphins and forced Shula's retirement.


This is silly. After a decade of no championship s, and a decade of nothing with the best QB in history, and a defense run by Tom Olivadati moving on to JJ was the right move.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

The whispers here are that Shannon will be the next HC.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> I respect Coughlin and the Giants organization but
> at 69 do you think he has the energy to salvage
> this mess that we are in?
>
> From everyone they have named so far as non
> playoff guys go I like Smith and Marrone

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Mizzou, from all indications it is evident Coughlin still has a lot left in the tank, enough to lead Miami for the next few years.

Now, as to your assertion that Miami is a mess...yes and no. This organization has had its problems over the last few years, but the team does have talent, but it needs someone who knows how to utilize that talent, and Coughlin knows how to do that.

I think the players would respond to him, as they know what he can do. He has a track record, and its mostly positive.

The new coach just needs to know how to organize a "mess" and be a good personnel guy. He must have enough power to let the GM know what he plans to do scheme-wise, and what kind of players he needs to do it. Coughlin has the respect to be able to do that.

The names that are out there, at present, aren't a strong bunch. Miami would be taking a chance on whomever they choose. The only sure fire name that was out there was Pagano, but the Colts wisely resigned him.

Anyway, we can all only hope the FO does their job and gets the right guy.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> The whispers here are that Shannon will be the
> next HC.

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TC, Randy Shannon is in the running....or did you mean Shanahan?
Typo, maybe?

Anyway, you are probably right if Ross gets his way in hiring that "name" guy, which, at present, is Shanahan.

However, I think it would be wise to search truthfully and the FO do their homework on everyone they bring in.

Shanahan, as I said in an earlier post, hasn't done much since his Denver days.

BTW, I haven't seen any scheduled interviews with any college coaches, as yet, i.e., Harbaugh and Mora.

How many years did we suffer Philbin before he was fired yet Campbell is to be tossed aside after a half of a season??

Right now, Campbell is not the guy to right the ship. He lacks experience, connections, respect, guidance and seasoning.

I'm all for keeping him on the staff and giving him what he needs in time, tutoring and mentorship. I'm even OK with giving him the title of assistant head coach.

But someone who has successfully been there and done that, needs to be the guy for the time being, if we are going to do whats described above.

If we are not going to make him the heir apparent, he needs to go back to being a position coach until he learns how to be a quality coordinator.

My current wish list would be;

1. Tom Coughlin as HC with Campbell as assistant HC
2. Mike Smith with Campbell as assistant HC
3. Jim Schwartz with Campbell as assistant HC
4. Jim Harbaugh...provided he can play nice with everyone else.

I'm not high on Payton or Kelly because I don't want a guy that would also be the GM. Also not very high on Shannahan because I think he's a perfect storm type of coach. (Can only be successful if everything is right.)

Ken Wrote:
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> Right now, Campbell is not the guy to right the
> ship. He lacks experience, connections, respect,
> guidance and seasoning.
>
> I'm all for keeping him on the staff and giving
> him what he needs in time, tutoring and
> mentorship. I'm even OK with giving him the title
> of assistant head coach.
>
> But someone who has successfully been there and
> done that, needs to be the guy for the time being,
> if we are going to do whats described above.
>
> If we are not going to make him the heir apparent,
> he needs to go back to being a position coach
> until he learns how to be a quality coordinator.
>
> My current wish list would be;
>
> 1. Tom Coughlin as HC with Campbell as assistant
> HC
> 2. Mike Smith with Campbell as assistant HC
> 3. Jim Schwartz with Campbell as assistant HC
> 4. Jim Harbaugh...provided he can play nice with
> everyone else.
>
> I'm not high on Payton or Kelly because I don't
> want a guy that would also be the GM. Also not
> very high on Shannahan because I think he's a
> perfect storm type of coach. (Can only be
> successful if everything is right.)

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I agree with ya, Ken, and I have posted that on a few occasions. This is not the right time for DC to become Miami's HC.

Tom Coughlin is now my number one guy. If anyone can get this team straightened out, it would be him. I think Tom would like to go to Miami for the sun, no state tax, and can play golf about anytime he wishes. He also has a lot of talent on this team; he won't have to blow everything up.

IMO, I don't care if Harbaugh plays nice with everyone or not. This guy knows how its done; just look at his track record. I'll take this guy anytime.

Shanahan would be a good (not great) choice. He knows how things go and could just walk right in and get to work. As I said before, my concern is his best days were with Denver, and that was quite a while ago.

I still say Campbell.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> I still say Campbell.


I agree. But I'd go for Coughlin /Campbell as well.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Adam Gase: 3 years as OC
Teryl Austin: 2 years as DC
Anthony Lynn: career RB coach with one year as assistant HC.

Hue Jackson:

1987 Pacific (graduate assistant)
1988 Pacific (wide receivers/ special teams)
1989 Pacific (running backs/ special teams)
1990–1991 Cal State Fullerton (running backs/ special teams)
1991–1992 London Monarchs WLAF (running backs/ wide receivers/ special teams)
1992–1994 Arizona State (running backs)
1995 Arizona State (quarterbacks)
1996 California (offensive coordinator/ quarterbacks)
1997 USC (off. coord./ quarterbacks)
1998–1999 USC (off. coord./ running backs)
2000 USC (off. coord./ quarterbacks)
2001–2002 Washington Redskins (running backs)
2003 Washington Redskins (off. coord.)
2004–2006 Cincinnati Bengals (wide receivers)
2007 Atlanta Falcons (off. coord.)
2008–2009 Baltimore Ravens (quarterbacks)
2010 Oakland Raiders (off. coord.)
2011 Oakland Raiders (head coach)
2012 Cincinnati Bengals (secondary/ asst. special teams)
2013 Cincinnati Bengals (running backs)
2014–present Cincinnati Bengals (off. coord.)

The most impressive part to me:

As OC in Oakland in 2010, he led the Raiders to a 6th place ranking in points scored. with Jason Campbell & Bruce Gradkowski at QB, Darren McFadden at RB, Darrius Heyward-Bey & Louis Murphy at WR.

Hire that guy!



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Hell ya Chyrene. hell ya.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

captkoi Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Right now, Campbell is not the guy to right the
> > ship. He lacks experience, connections,
> respect,
> > guidance and seasoning.
> >
> > I'm all for keeping him on the staff and giving
> > him what he needs in time, tutoring and
> > mentorship. I'm even OK with giving him the
> title
> > of assistant head coach.
> >
> > But someone who has successfully been there and
> > done that, needs to be the guy for the time
> being,
> > if we are going to do whats described above.
> >
> > If we are not going to make him the heir
> apparent,
> > he needs to go back to being a position coach
> > until he learns how to be a quality
> coordinator.
> >
> > My current wish list would be;
> >
> > 1. Tom Coughlin as HC with Campbell as
> assistant
> > HC
> > 2. Mike Smith with Campbell as assistant HC
> > 3. Jim Schwartz with Campbell as assistant HC
> > 4. Jim Harbaugh...provided he can play nice
> with
> > everyone else.
> >
> > I'm not high on Payton or Kelly because I don't
> > want a guy that would also be the GM. Also not
> > very high on Shannahan because I think he's a
> > perfect storm type of coach. (Can only be
> > successful if everything is right.)
>
> **************************************************
>
>
> I agree with ya, Ken, and I have posted that on a
> few occasions. This is not the right time for DC
> to become Miami's HC.
>
> Tom Coughlin is now my number one guy. If anyone
> can get this team straightened out, it would be
> him. I think Tom would like to go to Miami for the
> sun, no state tax, and can play golf about anytime
> he wishes. He also has a lot of talent on this
> team; he won't have to blow everything up.
>
> IMO, I don't care if Harbaugh plays nice with
> everyone or not. This guy knows how its done; just
> look at his track record. I'll take this guy
> anytime.

RE: Problem is, when you don't play nice with your staff things start to fall apart...how many times now have we seen this happen in the NFL. It just doesn't seem to work unless everyone is on the same page and going in the same direction.

>
> Shanahan would be a good (not great) choice. He
> knows how things go and could just walk right in
> and get to work. As I said before, my concern is
> his best days were with Denver, and that was quite
> a while ago.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> hmmmmmmmmn. That Resume looks a lot like
> Philbin's with the exception of the one Head
> coaching job.

Seriously? You should look closer at Philbin's resume then...

Philbin was an O-line coach at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Merchant Marine Academy & Allegheny College!!!

You think that's the same as being the Offensive Coordinator at California and USC?

HJ was also the OC for the Redskins, Falcons and Raiders prior to being interim HC for the Raiders. Philbin never did that.

Philbin was the OC in GB for TWO Hall of Fame QB's. Zac Taylor couldn't screw up that offense.

Hue Jackson turned in the 6th scoring offense with Jason Campbell and developed Joe Flacco over his first two years in the NFL in Baltimore and helped Andy Dalton to his best season ever with a 26 point jump in QB rating.

That's the same resume?

>
> Give me a guy who was HEAD coach in a few college
> jobs and then a few assistant jobs in the NFL or
> just a few assistant NFL coaching jobs. When a
> guy has 16 different non-head coaching jobs in the
> number of seasons listed above, and has never been
> a head coach before..............

You mean like Bruce Arians and just about every NFL coach? Most coaches have a long road and a long wait to be an NFL head coach. You are REALLY limiting yourself with that search criteria and probably missing on a great HC.

>
> I'd prefer a guy who was an NFL player himself and
> then was a coordinator when his boss got fired and
> then was the interim head coach for the remainder
> of the season.

You just described Hue Jackson except he only played QB in college. Only 19% of NFL head coaches NEVER played in the league. By this criteria you set, you just eliminated Bill Bellichick, John Harbargh, Andy Reid, Marvin Lewis, Mike Tomlin, Bill Obrien, Bruce Arians, Tom Coughlin, Pete Carroll and 9/10 of the available candidates.

Particularly when the players
> started playing better for him and he delved into
> playing the players Philbin never played and
> discovered the unused talent among them.

So you just want Dan Campbell? He wasn't a coordinator in the NFL or a HC in college though.



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these people who are pining for Dan Campbell to be made head coach are insane. The guy did nothing to turn around the team. He has no schematic expertise. He has no experience above the position coach level (and only a few years of that) except for the games he coached for us this year where he proved to be in way over his head. And his only exposure to NFL coaching is from the same losers beginning with Sporano that have come through here. And this is the guy you think is better qualified than say Hue Jackson? Guaranteed, no one is going to hire him for anything above position coach if we don't make him our HC. What does that tell you? He may be a decent HC some day but he needs years more experience actually doing something more than TE coach.
We did not "fight" under him. Did you see the SD game? Did you see the Bills and Jets game? We came out as flat and unmotivated as under Philbin. Once the newness wore after (i.e., after the first 2 games) and we played a good team like NE in game 3, we folded like cheap umbrellas as under Joe P.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

eggs-actly, samsam

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

I know you like to argue Chyren, but I can't think that even you believe that Philbin's resumes and Jacksons are remotely similar, both in the types of jobs held, and where they were held. Yes, they are similar in the sense that both were "football" "coaches" for a number of "teams," but that's where it ends.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

That's something that people can decide for themselves by looking at both lists, berk.

No "arguing" to be done. Just compare and think what you think.