That's the thing....NONE of the offensive staff have been able to utilize ANY of the offensive talent outside of maybe Jarvis Landry as they force feed him the ball BUT everyone expects Tannehill to do it minus the coaching.

People look at the receiver talent on paper and automatically think we are better than we really are....

Jarvis Landry: Elite slot receiver being forced into #1 WR role.

Rishard Mathews: good #2 or #3 but still inconsistent.

Kenny Stills: Deep threat mainly who hasn't evolved in this offense or as a route runner. better than Wallace as he is averaging 16.5 ypc.

Devante Parker: should be a franchise receiver NEXT YEAR.

Greg Jennings: Done. Can't get open any more.

Matt Hazel: PS. Not ready fro prime time.

Jordan Cameron: Has had to block more than expected due to terrible o-line. Dropped too many key passes.

Dion Sims: seems to have regressed since Campbell left the TE coaching spot.

Jordan, Jennings and Mathews are all likely gone in 2016.

You want further proof that the coaching is incompetent? Look no further than the move of Dallas Thomas to LT. He is so bad I can;t even describe it. Got better as a LG but clearly should not be a blind side protector. Is more suited to be a backup guard.

Quote: This off season, our FO needs to get their shit together and obtain "good" players that can give not only RT



You talk about this offseason just like we talked about last offseason.

The entire team is divided as how they see tannehill.

The entire team will never agree that tanehill will be the qb to take this team to the next level.

If tannehill is to stay here then they better start releasing players.

Funny how only defensive players have a problem with Tanny. Why? Because they are the worst lot in the league? They have nothing to do with Tanny or how he plays so it makes no sense Sam.


Defense sucks. The Corners are the worst. Our pass protection blows. That is why we lost every game. Offensively if the line isn't letting sacks they are drawing penalties putting Tanny is 3rd and long situations. consistently.

Go finish your beer and come back Sam sam

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

"That's the thing....NONE of the offensive staff have been able to utilize ANY of the offensive talent outside of maybe Jarvis Landry as they force feed him the ball BUT everyone expects Tannehill to do it minus the coaching. "

The entire offensive staff is incompetent fire all of their asses. Get a solid Oline coach and you will see a ton of improvement from these same guys.

Tanne Im not sure I can say the same. The line was actually better this year than his previous three and his completion rate went down, his TD's went down his int level stayed the same. Russell Wilson had the same number of sacks as Tanne, went thru periods of dropsies w/ his receivers, makeshift oline. He still threw for 31 TD's and less INTS, because he can make all of the thows in the book consistently and accurately. Coaching cannot make a qb improve his consistency or accuracy.

I support Tanne as long as he lines up under center but I have joined the group saying its time to bring someone else in. I don't care if its in the 1st round.

Come on, Treasure. When he does roll out and does have time, he misses wide open receivers. You cannot deny it, the evidence is there for anyone to see and it didn't happen just once or twice, it happens much too often.

Rick

Not seeing things on the rollouts the way you do, Rick. I see the opposite. I see him missing receivers while in the pocket and rarely missing them on the rollouts unless it is a clear situation where he is about to be tackled and is throwing the ball away. Of course, stats can't prove that one way or the other.

"Are you really stating that Tannehill had what he needed to score on that drive?"

Of course not. Because he didn't. And he almost never does.

Rick

" Defense sucks. The Corners are the worst. Our pass protection blows. That is why we lost every game."

Far too simplistic. And wrong. How do you make the Giant game fit your thesis?

Rick

" I see him missing receivers while in the pocket and rarely missing them on the rollouts unless it is a clear situation where he is about to be tackled and is throwing the ball away. "

I think you are correct in most cases of his rolling out.. except for two things- when the pressure is on at the end of a half or a game, he seems to miss those throws. In at least two games this year, the last possibility for a win petered out on this kind of play. And, he's never good at getting rid of the ball when he should, at any time in any game.

Rick

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> The entire offensive staff is incompetent fire all
> of their asses. Get a solid Oline coach and you
> will see a ton of improvement from these same
> guys.

Maybe but the O-line coach has had more NFL success than just about every other position coach on the team. That shows just how bad they all are....and yes, fire everyone including John Benton.

> Tanne Im not sure I can say the same. The line was
> actually better this year than his previous three
> and his completion rate went down, his TD's went
> down his int level stayed the same.

The line was better this year? We dropped from 12th rushing to 27th and are two sacks shy of tying 2014. I'm predicting 4 sacks this week.

Russell Wilson
> had the same number of sacks as Tanne, went thru
> periods of dropsies w/ his receivers, makeshift
> oline. He still threw for 31 TD's and less INTS,
> because he can make all of the thows in the book
> consistently and accurately. Coaching cannot make
> a qb improve his consistency or accuracy.

Wilson is always sacked a lot because he is a running QB who breaks the pocket early to try and make plays with his legs. Seattle's line is NOWHERE near as dysfunctional as Miami's. They are also better coached and have the 3rd ranked rushing team in the league. That takes a lot of pressure and focus off Wilson who was asked to throw the ball 100 times fewer. It's not hard to see Tannehill is pressing and trying to do too much.

Wilson has the same successful head coach, OC and o-line coach as his rookie year. Actual NFL quality coaches. Tom Cable, Darrell Bevell.

and yes....Wilson is an impressive player.

>
> I support Tanne as long as he lines up under
> center but I have joined the group saying its time
> to bring someone else in. I don't care if its in
> the 1st round.

Same here.

True line is not better this year but I have seen better play from our guards this year than last and we have played a lot w/ out James.

Russel has attempted to stay in the pocket more this year. Most of his sacks have come from oline play not his scrambling. Seattle has had its share of oline issues this year.

Yes fire this entire damn staff only offer Campbell to retain his TE position he is the only guy who has earned a paycheck these past 3 years.

TCPF your love for tannehill has blinded you.

You are even more blind than a owl at daytime.



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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> TCPF your love for tannehill has blinded you.


No. What You are refusing to see brother , or maybe the alcohol has blinded you, is that we have a horrible TEAM. NO MATTER who you get behind center , they will fail with 3rd string centers snapping the ball 1 second before the rest start blocking.

Marino was lucky enough to join a pretty good football team.Super bowl quality actually. He had great support and coaching his whole career.

10 yrs it took to find a decent starter. Someone who could score 4000yds. If I told you in 2005 we could have a QB who scored 4000 yds in 10 yrs you would have shit yourself.

I remember when Ricky Williams ran for 1800 yds and we still didn't make the playoffs. Because the Team sucked.

Again THE TEAM SUCKED. you want to replace Tanny when our defense is hitting on all cylinders and we have luxury picks , maybe.

But now it just beyond stupid.Get him a Oline for once and a steady consistantly.when OC and system.

That's all. Be fair.Tanny is also classy and I believe he leads by example.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

4000 yards in this day and age is no big deal. Everyone does it.

And Treasure, Marino played with a lot of sorry teams and propped them up. I would say Brady as well. Look at the talent the Pats have on offense this year and recent years, it's probably not even as good as what we've got except for Gronk. A great QB raises the level of the players around him. His OL is made up of undrafted guys. For RT to be what is needed, he needs 10 great players around him and an OL that gives him 8 seconds every time.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Quote: This off season, our FO needs to get their
> shit together and obtain "good" players that can
> give not only RT
>
>
>
> You talk about this offseason just like we talked
> about last offseason.
>
> The entire team is divided as how they see
> tannehill.
>
> The entire team will never agree that tanehill
> will be the qb to take this team to the next
> level.
>
> If tannehill is to stay here then they better
> start releasing players.

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Did you hear or see something that indicated that?

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> 4000 yards in this day and age is no big deal.
> Everyone does it.
>
> NO. Thats bullshit because from 2000 until the day Tanny was drafted WE DIDNT HAVE A SINGLE SOUL WHO COULD COME CLOSE TO IT.







And Treasure, Marino played with a lot of sorry
> teams and propped them up. I would say Brady as
> well. Look at the talent the Pats have on offense
> this year and recent years, it's probably not even
> as good as what we've got except for Gronk. A
> great QB raises the level of the players around
> him. His OL is made up of undrafted guys. For RT
> to be what is needed, he needs 10 great players
> around him and an OL that gives him 8 seconds
> every time.


AGAIN.......Marino had the help, support and consistency of Don Shula. Brady had the same with Belicheat.


You give Tanny some consistency , not 8 seconds , just some consistency meaning......the same people day in and day out working over and over , not this jumbled line of just sticking big bodies in there who dont know snap counts , don't know his way of play calling , its just a mess and 180 sacks and 4 safeties proves it.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Funny how everyone talks about how danny had all those great OLines...


Well, his quick release and accuracy made all those Olines great.

captkoi Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Quote: This off season, our FO needs to get
> their
> > shit together and obtain "good" players that
> can
> > give not only RT
> >
> >
> >
> > You talk about this offseason just like we
> talked
> > about last offseason.
> >
> > The entire team is divided as how they see
> > tannehill.
> >
> > The entire team will never agree that tanehill
> > will be the qb to take this team to the next
> > level.
> >
> > If tannehill is to stay here then they better
> > start releasing players.
>
> **************************************************
>
>
> Did you hear or see something that indicated that?


Heard something on the radio that the team was divided as to how they thought about tannehill.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Funny how everyone talks about how danny had all
> those great OLines...
>
>
> Well, his quick release and accuracy made all
> those Olines great.


And i quote myself...............



do any of you remember people saying how the dolphins OLIne stunk while danny was here? How may years did he play? 15-16......he had to have some sucky O lines dont you think??????????

Not once did we hear that. Not once

A good qb makes everybody better around him...

We dont have a good qb.....

And to say the defense sucked all the time is foolish tcpf......some games the defense held the other team to about 20 points and we still lost because we couldnt score.

Hey, football used to be a run only game in the early part of the 20th century. So it has changed more and more each year into a passing sport so DUH... QB stats today are greatdr than in the 80s.

How much you wanna bet though, that if Dan Marino played he would not STILL lead the leavue.?!

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Funny how everyone talks about how danny had
> all
> > those great OLines...
> >
> >
> > Well, his quick release and accuracy made all
> > those Olines great.
>
>
> And i quote myself...............
>
>
>
> do any of you remember people saying how the
> dolphins OLIne stunk while danny was here? How may
> years did he play? 15-16......he had to have some
> sucky O lines dont you think??????????
>
> Not once did we hear that. Not once
>
> A good qb makes everybody better around him...
>
> We dont have a good qb.....

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Yes, I do remember people saying his OL sucked.

Danny played 17 years.

Danny's OL was a good pass blocking OL; not so good with the run.

A "great" QB makes everyone around him better. A "good" QB can make people around him better if they are decent to good players.

We have a good QB.

Like I said, Cap, Tanny played like an "A minus" in the best game I have seen him play. He's more like a B minus most of the time.

But we have far greater needs than drafting a QB in the first round.

If if's and but's were candy and nuts what a Merry, Merry Christmas we could have had sitting around the ole Christmas Tree.

Some of you folks think The Dolphins beat New England, but I would think , then again. Think about this, The Phins beat New England and then they just happened to drop from 5 th or sixth pick in the draft to 8 th pick in the draft. HuH !!!

Belichek again, What? It would not be unreasonable to think he had a hand in the Dolphins win with ulterior motives. He had nothing to gain by winning but on the other hand if he could put the screws to the Dolphins in their draft...

Maybe did, maybe not, no one will ever know, I Guarantee you that much.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Funny how everyone talks about how danny had all
> those great OLines...
>
>
> Well, his quick release and accuracy made all
> those Olines great.


Yeah the Dolphins really sucked in 82 before he got there.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> dav, your theory makes sense. However, when
> weighing the scales, I would think that, if he had
> his druthers, Bellicheat would choose homefield
> advantage over lifting (if that's the right word
> to use" ) the Dolphins from the number 8 or so
> pick to the number 5 or so pick.
>
> I can't buy that.
>
> Again, Bellicheat didn't go "all out". If I and
> you know that all we do with draft picks is screw
> them up, so does Bellicheat.
>
>
> I think he realized that he was in a bad
> position.
>
> He was playing a divisional opponent that HATED
> HIS GUTS.
>
> They (we the Miami Dolphins) would have like
> nothing more than to not only beat New England but
> Cripple them for the sake of any playoff opponent
> by crucially injuring a top player, preferably Tom
> Brady.
>
> The dude (Bellicheat) is crooked but he's not
> stupid. In the face of that he did as much as he
> could to WIN but not at the risk of injury.
>
> Like I said above, we've always been weak against
> the run. True, the Patsies are best at passing
> but if they could beat us by running yeah. If it
> took a little more, yeah. If it meant going "all
> out" no.

Bellicheat's ulterior motive was to get us to keep Hennehill for another year lol...

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Funny how everyone talks about how danny had
> all
> > those great OLines...
> >
> >
> > Well, his quick release and accuracy made all
> > those Olines great.
>
>
> Yeah the Dolphins really sucked in 82 before he
> got there.


Woodley was 25th in the leauge in passing yards and had a Rating of 63 for the year. He WORE OUT our leading receiver by throwing him 24 receptions for 186 yards...yea that Marino guy walked into a real offensive powerhouse.