errrr.....let's not get personal...Hope, Arkansas is on my birth certificate.

the phins went from 1-15 to 11-5 once. they didn't overhaul the entire roster in 1 offseason.

they did replace players but the most noticeable change was at QB. Pennington made everyone around him better. Our once shitty oline was now serviceable. Our offense as a whole was vastly improved because he had a Qb that could overcome those deficiencies.

Treasure, the day tanne leaves you'll drive the bus right over him on your way to profess your mancrush for the next qb.

You can't coach instincts. Either you have it or you don't.

Tanny has shown instincts. here is the issue, 2 coaches and 3 OC's in his 5 yrs. a Turnstile of starting receivers, and a Oline that has more holes then a spaghetti strainer. And STILL hes somehow managed to stay healthy and score more yardage then any other since Dan Marino. Can he better? Absolutely , but he is NOT , I repeat , NOT the priority.

Remember Sam Madison, and patrick Surtain? Zach Thomas and JT? THAT'S when we were most successful after Dan Marino.

We need corners and a middle linebacker that doesnt miss tackles. And when they go short , Like Tom Brady and the Pats, he makes them pay for it.

Pennington? Talk about a wet noodle for an arm? Tannehill can be more successful in every way, in fact he has been , look up the stats. But we have a defense that loses whatever he accomplishes. No Man crush. He has room for improvement. But he is more then doable with help.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

The number one reason for the failure of the Dolphins is that since Shula we have had 8 HCs, twice as many QBs and 2 owners. No consistency.
It'll be interesting to see who we settle for as the next HC but, if we don't strike gold we'll be having this conversation again in another 3 years.

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The Clown Show Continues



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tanne's oc his first two year was his college HC so he had the luxury of staying in the same system.

i'm not pinning all of the blame on him but he's as much of the problem as the rest.

everybody wants to blame poor coaching for our QB but no other positions.

The main reason for the failure is the continual vision that the team is just a "few players away". They keep going for the home run shots with big free agent signings, etc. They never work out.

We also have a tendency to try to find diamonds in the rough in the draft.

We are not and have not been a few players away for a long time. There needs to be a true 3-4 year plan looking to build the team the right way.

I'd say the #1 reason is Steven Ross. Since Day 1 he's been making questionable decisions, and this is the result.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> tanne's oc his first two year was his college HC
> so he had the luxury of staying in the same
> system.
>
> i'm not pinning all of the blame on him but he's
> as much of the problem as the rest.
>
> everybody wants to blame poor coaching for our QB
> but no other positions.


You talk about Man crushes......I bet you have a signed picture of Philbin on your dresser. Philbin failed and you just want to blame it on someone.

Are you watching this Colts game? That Oline is terrible and the defense is putting us in a hole we cant climb out of. They just put up a Stat, 180 sacks since 2012. That's horrendous. They showed today how they are just coming in unblocked. 3 yrs and they haven't addressed it. They just give up more draft picks for DE's and spend more money on the Dline. And it accomplishes nothing. In fact its worse then its ever been.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Cut the crap, please.

Tannehill just plain bad Red Zone execution and pocket presence

How can anyone say we 'haven't addressed' offensive line? We have spent two of the last 5 1st round picks on OLine AND paid Albert!!! If we're healthy there are THREE top 20 picks on our OLine! Doesn't mean they are good but they have 'addresses' the stinkin line. That said that last play was just comical! That's stuff you see in Pop Warner. The tackle still in his stance with a defender sacking the QB good grief. Of course the two incompletions into the end zone that preceded it weren't any better. It looked like a 3rd string QB throwing DB practice. This team Sucks form top to bottom. Anyone who excuses ANYONE from blame has their head in the sand.

Joe Philbin wasn't the OC. Mike Sherman was. He had the same system at A&M.

The oline is crap, Treasure. Who on the roster should know that better than the Qb? Yet he just stands there waiting for something to happen down field. That safety was all on Tanne. Most of the sacks were. You know why? Zero instincts and pocket awareness

Charley friggin Whitehurst navigated the pocket better than our "franchise" QB.

You want to bring up philbin while you rodger your Tannehill Fathead. Comical.

This whole team has issues, and that would include Tannehill, yes the O line isn't great, so get rid of the ball... drop back and throw it, if no one is open throw it away... He has no instinct of the pass rush, you see some QB's just know its coming, he stands there and gets hit time after time.. I guess it was also the O line why he threw the pic in the endzone... Always someone else's fault... Its not all on him, yes the D is awful but 3 and outs don't help.... Blow this thing up... No one should be safe... Play for a spot...

jsm08 Wrote:
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> Joe Philbin wasn't the OC. Mike Sherman was. He
> had the same system at A&M.
>
> The oline is crap, Treasure. Who on the roster
> should know that better than the Qb? Yet he just
> stands there waiting for something to happen down
> field. That safety was all on Tanne. Most of the
> sacks were. You know why? Zero instincts and
> pocket awareness
>
> Charley friggin Whitehurst navigated the pocket
> better than our "franchise" QB.
>
> You want to bring up philbin while you rodger your
> Tannehill Fathead. Comical.




Our Defense let a hazbin QB and a 3rd stringer win the ball game.

Our QB got a perfectly legal touchdown taken away from him , and your happy. OK then. Tannehill seems to be up against the world and yet he still gets up and dusts himself off and doesnt complain. You people dont deserve him. They showed during the game the replay of his end zone interception the pressure he faces play after play. So because defensive lineman are coming in virtually unblocked he either throws poorly or takes the sack.

Its the worst Oline play in the NFL. And even when he makes a play they take it away on pure B.S.

Your going to see what you want to see because your Boy Philbin FAILED to address the Oline in the off season. He took time to take the team to a thug movie though. Pathetic.

At least the 72 Phins are still with us.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

We have addressed the oline and it still hasn't worked.

The d should have dominated a backup 40 yr old. We should have stacked the box and made him beat us. We instead went with a base d and let them dictate what they wanted to do.

We got screwed on the Landry "pick" and the non tripping call that got tanne hurt.

I did see all of that and was fuming while watching the game but it doesn't change the fact that overcoming all of that, our QB still had a chance to win the game and just couldn't do it.

I don't want a QB in the first round. I say the 2nd or 3rd and you can bet our new staff will want their own guy. I also want to see what a staff with actual NFL experience can do for our team. In the loss to the Giants that was the QB I wanted to see. He moved in the pocket and kept his eyes down field. He made things happen. No, he didn't hit all of those but that's what you want to see from your QB. The more he does that the better he'll be. So hopefully our next staff preaches that. I'd rather he try to make a play than stand there and get crushed.

So like I've said a million times, it's not all Tannehill but he is part of the problem too. If you want to bring up the fact that I gave our rookie hc some leash? If that makes you feel better, fine.

No, hes talking about the two passes preceding that when Hennehill had PLENTY of time and missed open receivers. Yes, I said plenty of time. Just how long do you think 'the great one' should have on a quick pass to the end zone inside the 5???? This is the NFL not the schoolyard at recess.

KB Wrote:
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> No, hes talking about the two passes preceding
> that when Hennehill had PLENTY of time and missed
> open receivers. Yes, I said plenty of time. Just
> how long do you think 'the great one' should have
> on a quick pass to the end zone inside the 5????
> This is the NFL not the schoolyard at recess.


Yeah your right. Because he should have plenty of confidence after this Oline got him sacked 5 times today alone. You guys are beyond UNFAIR. If you want to bitch point it at the right direction.......Jason Fox and Dallas Thomas.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

no one is pinning that last sack on tannehill.

find one post blaming him for that last sack. You can't.

we're blaming him for botching the first 3 plays of that series.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> no one is pinning that last sack on tannehill.
>
> find one post blaming him for that last sack. You
> can't.
>
> we're blaming him for botching the first 3 plays
> of that series.



Read your statements carefully bro. So what your saying is, the Oline has been a disaster from the beginning , those 180 sacks in the last 3 yrs on on Tannehill. They are a perfectly capable OLINE , but that last play wasn't his fault? Are you really stating that Tannehill had what he needed to score on that drive?

Dude you want to hate on Campbell and Tannehill because that will prove your boy Philbin wasn't the piece of corn in the shit of the worst of coaches this Team has seen. But he was. He is. And hes gone. And Tannehill is a victim of his horrible play calling, his terrible OC's that He's defended, and the Oline hes refused to address. If they aren't letting sacks, they are getting penalized for 5-10 yds a shot. Placing him at 3rd and long every drive and people like you say he cant convert. Give me a break!!!

He actually made a great effort in the last few seconds of that game but couldn't get it done because of a horrible 3rd string Oline that ADMITTED they screwed up. NOT Tanny. 180 sacks in 3 yrs. Think about it bro. AND he still managed to get 3-4000 yds a season, set some team records and give us a chance to succeed. But with this horrible expensive defense he never had a chance. Ever.

Tannehill is the goods, but the Philbin blanket is still effecting this whole team. Kind of hard to jump in someone else car and drive it to victory. The seat is too far back , the brakes arent to your liking, and it just ran out of Gas.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

The first 3 plays of that series? The first play was a sack making it 2nd and 19. The 3rd play was a roughing the passer call that got us a first down.

Nevermind....

the 28 yard run by Tannehill to get them into Indy territory in the first place.

the 3 clock killing/time-out eating sacks allowed for -26 yards on that final drive.

that not one run was called on that drive even though the o-line couldn't pass protect the "mighty Colts D". Not even a run from the Indy 5 yard line.

ALL the failed WR screens that were sniffed out because the offense is so damn predictable

the fact that the coaches decided the best choice on the final drive at WR was Matt Hazel.

The offense only runs 5 plays. Not too hard to defend. They certainly don't have to defend the run after half time because it will be abandoned if we are down by 1 point.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> jsm08 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > no one is pinning that last sack on tannehill.
> >
> > find one post blaming him for that last sack.
> You
> > can't.
> >
> > we're blaming him for botching the first 3
> plays
> > of that series.
>
>
>
> Read your statements carefully bro. So what your
> saying is, the Oline has been a disaster from the
> beginning , those 180 sacks in the last 3 yrs on
> on Tannehill. They are a perfectly capable OLINE ,
> but that last play wasn't his fault? Are you
> really stating that Tannehill had what he needed
> to score on that drive?
>
> Dude you want to hate on Campbell and Tannehill
> because that will prove your boy Philbin wasn't
> the piece of corn in the shit of the worst of
> coaches this Team has seen. But he was. He is. And
> hes gone. And Tannehill is a victim of his
> horrible play calling, his terrible OC's that He's
> defended, and the Oline hes refused to address. If
> they aren't letting sacks, they are getting
> penalized for 5-10 yds a shot. Placing him at 3rd
> and long every drive and people like you say he
> cant convert. Give me a break!!!
>
> He actually made a great effort in the last few
> seconds of that game but couldn't get it done
> because of a horrible 3rd string Oline that
> ADMITTED they screwed up. NOT Tanny. 180 sacks in
> 3 yrs. Think about it bro. AND he still managed to
> get 3-4000 yds a season, set some team records and
> give us a chance to succeed. But with this
> horrible expensive defense he never had a chance.
> Ever.
>
> Tannehill is the goods, but the Philbin blanket is
> still effecting this whole team. Kind of hard to
> jump in someone else car and drive it to victory.
> The seat is too far back , the brakes arent to
> your liking, and it just ran out of Gas.

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Along with OL problems, we have to look at the playcalling (again). Why this coaching staff refuses to utilize RT's strengths is beyond me. The last series? Why the hell didn't the OC, at least on one play of the series, ROLL HIM OUT? Cripes, the whole world knows Miami has a poor OL (and was proven on the very last play if anyone was uncertain). Of course, on that last play, even rolling him out wouldn't have worked as the DL was in the backfield about the same time as RT got the snap.

Sigh!

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> TCPF wrote: But with this horrible expensive
> defense he never had a chance. Ever.
>
>
> You keep calling out the defense and saying they
> suck but some games this defense has held the
> opponent to less that 25 points and we still cant
> win because we cannot score.
>
> And yes the OLIne has allowed many sacks...Some
> are the OLine fault and some are tannehill fault
> for holding the ball for too long.
>
> And when tannehill has a chance of making a play
> he cannot....He has had plenty of time to throw at
> time...and he cant seem to make it happen.

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Sam, you have to sit back and take off your "RT is a wet firecracker" glasses. You need to chill.

Granted, RT has missed on throws one would think an NFL QB should make. He has also taken a sack on plays where we think he should have run out of trouble or thrown it away.

Point taken, Sam, however...

A QB has a lot on his plate. In Miami's case, RT doesn't have an offensive line that he can trust. In RT's case, he feels (and I agree with him) that he has to get rid of the ball quicker than the quickest of NFL QBs. He barely has time to drop back before the defense is on him. I will give you he has missed on throws...but so has every other damn NFL QB since the beginning of time. Watch the games...EVERY QB misses. At the same time, his WRs drop passes that hit them right in their hands/chests. I don't have the stats, but I bet Miami is near the top of dropped passes.

Run out of trouble? He has done that quite often. There are times when he waits that extra split second for ANY DAMN RECEIVER to get open and it doesn't happen. Down he goes. Sure, he could just throw it away, but...

He damn well better have his feet set when he throws it otherwise pick-6, then you guys would have a field day with him. Sad!

Sometimes, I am not sure if some of our posters here truly watch the Fins games or they just watch hi-lites. Some here say RT doesn't do this, doesn't do that; can't do this, can't do that. Is a very poor pocket passer. I see a lot of good from him...I see him hit many passes from the pocket, and I also see him miss from the pocket. I see him hit many passes on the run, but I also see him miss some.

RT is a good QB. If and when he gets a good OL in front of him and LEARNS TO TRUST THEM, we "should" see a much more confidant QB; A QB that will start doing the things some are saying he can't do.

BTW, some here are saying that the Ryan defenders on this board continue to fault the OL and give him a free pass. Not true, my friends. RT needs to improve in all areas, and he will admit such, but at the same time, it is difficult to improve when you can't trust that your OL will give you enough time to find a receiver; where you feel that most of the time, you will be on your back, even if you have already gotten rid of the ball.

This guy has been sacked more than any other NFL QB since he has started for Miami, and he keeps getting up and never bad mouthing his teammates.

This off season, our FO needs to get their shit together and obtain "good" players that can give not only RT, but the whole team a fighting chance. Can they do this? I don't know, but some of it may come with whomever they choose to be their next HC.

Oh, BTW, do you guys think our running game hasn't done what it is capable of because of our RBs, our OL, or playcalling? IMO, it is the problem of OL, playcalling, and RBs. See the pattern, here?

Anyway, if you guys watch the NFL, you will see the league's QBs doing pretty much what RT is doing, with the exception of the teams with good OLs and/or elite QBs. BTW, have you been watching A. Rodgers lately?