All that being said, Suh needs to stop the BS. He's screwing his teammates by freelancing and is going to get somebody seriously hurt. He is not bigger than the team and needs to stop acting like it....and earn his damn money first. Way too early for this drama BS.

"Has a DC ever been fired in season?"
I'm sure one has, though I can't think of one offhand. **Possibly Rob Ryan?** Maybe its time to try it. Coyle hasn't gotten it done, and he's getting worse every year.
On another note - is there a good o-line coach available? And, what happened to that great young d-line coach? Campbell's not getting it done either, but that may also be Coyle's doing.

Rick



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dolphan4545 Wrote:
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And, what happened to that great young
> d-line coach?

He was hired by ex Dolphins coach and current NY Jets HC, Todd Bowles, to be his defensive cordinator with the Jets.... Kacy Rodgers.... I think you hit the nail on the head when mentioning him, we sure seem to miss him coaching the Dline...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

I can't really blame him, he's getting cuts at his knees every play, he's not getting any help from his linemates, and he knows Coyle is an idiot...
On the other hand, the Jags were able to handle him one-on-one yesterday, no double teams needed the majority of the time.

If I sound wish-washy on the subject, its because I am.

Rick

JC Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Come on...the coaches can only do so much.
>
>
> Yes, but can OURS?
>
> I'm not sure.

RE: Remains to be seen.
>
>
> They do
> > not make the plays, or the penalties.
>
> But the players do under their tutelage.
>
> Technically coaches can make penalties and yes the
> players commit them. But tell me, how often did
> our players make penalties under Shula? And how
> often did they make the same penalty more than
> once under Shula?

RE: We've been one of the least penalized teams in the league since Philbin arrived...just as we were under Shula.
>
>
> Coaches teach, guide, plan and
> > inspire to a certain degree
>
> Yup. But What is *our* certain degree right now?

RE: Fair enough because I don't know.
>
> >
> > Right now the sky IS falling but the season is
> not
> > lost, nor is it over.
>
> I'm not calling it over either. And I'm definitely
> not a sky-is-falling type of person. At all.
>
> I meant my OP as more of an open ended question?
> Do we make changes now? Later? After the season is
> already lost? What kind of changes? Assistant
> coach or two? I'm not advocating tossing out the
> entire staff necessarily.

Campbell? That's the TE coach.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> All that being said, Suh needs to stop the BS.
> He's screwing his teammates by freelancing and is
> going to get somebody seriously hurt. He is not
> bigger than the team and needs to stop acting like
> it....and earn his damn money first. Way too early
> for this drama BS.

Sounds like, yet again, another false report from the media.

Coaches and players say it is BS.

it sounds to me like we're trying to plug players into a system instead of designing the system around your talent.

Ken Wrote:
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>
> RE: We've been one of the least penalized teams in
> the league since Philbin arrived...just as we were
> under Shula.
> >

Wow really? I had no idea. Yesterday they were not only committing stupid penalties, but were then repeating the stupid penalties!

jsm08 Wrote:
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> it sounds to me like we're trying to plug players
> into a system instead of designing the system
> around your talent.

Precisely what I have been saying about Tannehill all along.

just look at that jets d. moving guys around, blitzing the crap out of luck, dictating.

we were afraid of blake bortles and had 4 down linemen and no movement most of the game.

interesting.

Didn't upgrade the Oline, didn't move Wake when he had some value, Drafted a RB with a major health concern, DB draft picks have been major busts. bad play calling, a QB still missing open receivers

D has been terrible other than Grimes and Jenkins

Drafted Phillips, has he even played? Made a tackle?

18 Rishard Matthews playing well

Jlyell, add to that guys making mistakes that they learned not to make in junior like Landry standing at his own 7 yard line receiving a punt that is coming to him like a bullet and instead of stepping aside and letting it go into the endzone (barring the freakish of all bounces), he catches it, prevents it from going into the endzone, is promptly tackled, and thus we end up with little to no chance of scoring the tying field goal because we start our possession from our own 7 yard line..

After seeing only one of the two games thus far, I can't honestly believe that coaching is the major problem this season. However, looking back over the past Philbin seasons, there sure is a strong argument that coaching is subpar at best once again!

I watched part of the Pregame Show that had Philbin stating that we must "start fast" imply that the team must assault Jags and score first (or least that's what I got from his comments). Yet, the Dolphins win the toss and defer to defend. Does anyone else see a bit of an inconsistency with Philbin's pre game "start fast" game plan?

In military parlance going on the defense is never taking it to the enemy. You don't assault by defending.

Suh is a big disappointment so far and seems to be ineffective with the other D linemen. Wake, I'm afraid is past his prime.

I think it's almost traditional to defer if you win the coin toss. The strategy being that if at the end of the first half, you are behind, you get a chance to catch up if you get the ball first but if the other team gets the second half kickoff, they can put you behind even more.

On the other hand, if you are ahead, you get a chance to increase your lead and at the same time prevent the other team from cutting into your lead.

Of course, as with everything, it depends on your play at the start of the second half.

The question is, therefore, is there any advantage in receiving the opening kickoff.

but maybe Philbin was speaking metaphorically as opposed to concretely when he stated that we have to "start fast."

Well, if you have to contemplate what a "fast start" actually means, could the players be getting a bit confused on what the coach really means? Maybe.

Could have just meant we need to score AS SOON AS we get the ball.

I agree its the coaching..

I try not to post very much as I by far enjoy other message boarders
views and ideas and mine are very old fashioned. You all have good football minds and loyalty.

You are a good bunch and give an old man like me some chuckles and insight. I have followed The Dolphins since they came into the NFL, 1967. What a great Team they became !!

Tip of the ole hat to all,

Same with me dav, Griese was drafted by the Dolphins in the Spring of 1967 and I was at Purdue his senior year of 1966-67. That's when I became a Dolfan.

I started following the Fins when Shula became coach. Boy did I ever take for granted what it was like to have a Hall of Fame coach in charge of the team. I remember Bum Phillips saying that Shula "can take his'n and beat your'n or he can take your'n and beat his'n. Those were the days.

Interstingly enough...In 4 consecutive season WITH Marino at QB, Shula had 8 wins, 8 wins, 6 wins and 8 wins.

Thanks ChyrenB, that was a lot of work as far as I am concerned. Will copy this and save for future reference.

Tip of the ole hat !!

Ken Wrote:
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> Come on...the coaches can only do so much. They do
> not make the plays, or the penalties. Nor do they
> fail to excecute plays or have lapses in
> concentration. Coaches teach, guide, plan and
> inspire to a certain degree but its up to the
> players to get it done once the bodies start
> flying.
>
> Right now the sky IS falling but the season is not
> lost, nor is it over.

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The announcers were repeating themselves during the Jax game that the Dolphins have been one of the least penalized teams in the NFL since Philbin took over.

Not looking too good, so far.

Ken Wrote:
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> Come on...the coaches can only do so much. They do
> not make the plays, or the penalties. Nor do they
> fail to excecute plays or have lapses in
> concentration. Coaches teach, guide, plan and
> inspire to a certain degree but its up to the
> players to get it done once the bodies start
> flying.

Ken, I agree with all of the above. I am Philbin's biggest critic but I have only criticized him for two things.....Gametime decisions such as calling timeouts or not calling timeouts or attempting or not attempting a field goal, and secondly, decisions like how to take advantage of Tannehill's native skills or not giving enough playing time to rookies to see what they can do.

I think Philbin/Lazor are taking great advantage of RTT's skills. His skill is pure passing. He is accurate and can throw quickly. Everything, else, knowledge of defense, taking advantage of defense, is a process, it is not native to him.

Ia also am very surprised that Philbin has don what Parcells promised, which is to draft them and train them and play them--build through draft. Just under Hickey's draft, James, Landry, AIkens, Fede, Douglas, Phillips, McCain, are seeing major minutes. They have a real committment to playing young players, which is one of the problems for the W column. Now, it's another issue that the GM did not do good enough job selecting the players on average, a lot misses there, players who can't play initially and need time.

I disagree hoo. Tannehill's great talent for passing is passing while on the run. Never seen anyone, even Griese who was known as the great scrambler in college or Marino, could throw as well as Tanny on the dead run.

What Tanny CANNOT DO SO WELL, however, is to throw from the pocket. You can just read it on his face. He's like one of those hyperactive kids when you make them sit on a stool in a corner. He's jittery, his eyes are flitting left to right, up and down and he's just too nerve wracked to think.

But have him running on a slant and his persona changes. He's calm, collected, quick to make decisions and deadly.

Unfortunately, the current coaching regime will have to leave before we see it.

Does Philbin have an issue with playing rookies?

Phillips comes against Washington and sacks QB! Haven't seen him play since?? I'm sure he has, but that would tell you something!!

KNick637

Seriously? You had to open that can of worms? LOL

In short, NO. Philbin does not have an issue with playing rookies. History has proven that much.

For some reason, the coaches (Coyle and JP) are enamored with Earl Mitchell.

Phillips played 11 snaps vs Was and 14 vs Jax. That is about the same number as CL Mosley who has 27 snaps.

Earl Mitchell played 124 snaps so far and Suh has played 127.

Mitchell is injured and may not receive as many snaps this week. Whoever plays that spot will be going against Richie this week.

@AbramsonPBP

Dolphins again promote OL Sam Brenner from practice squad, release OL Jacques McClendon. They can't make up their mind between those two

WTF are these people doing?