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How would you feel if we took Randy Gregory at #47?

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8 votes were received.

Thrilled, he's a STEAL!	1		13%
Pissed off, he's a knucklehead and we need OLine help!	7		87%

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He's a top 5 talent, a freakish athlete, at 230lbs he can play OLB in our system, and he's probably the best pass rusher in the draft.

BUT he's an idiot who failed a drug test at the combine and was suspended for smoking pot in college.



If he's on the board, would you be happy or angry with our taking him at #47?

I think he's Dion Jordan 2.0. Physically and mentally, they are the same.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> I think he's Dion Jordan 2.0. Physically and
> mentally, they are the same.


MUCH better pass rusher than Jordan was at this stage.

Jordan was more of a 3-4
olb in college who didn't put is hand in the dirt and rush the passer as a DE very often.

Gregory is the opposite...more of a 4-3 DE who dropped into coverage now and then.

In 24 college games Gregory had 124 tackles, 17.5 sacks, 25.5 TFL, 2 INT and 2 FF.

Jordan played 40 games had 121 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 29 TFL, 0 INT, 4 FF.


I don't think they are similar at all...other than being borderline retarded.

Failed a drug test?

No thank you.

after what just happened with jordan I don't think the phins have the luxury to take that kind of risk.

doesn't matter no way Philbin could handle him and no way team takes a drug testing failure after getting burned by Jordan

my bigger questions is do we take LaEl Collins if he falls to us in 4th. I say HELL YEAH. If he had nothing to do with his girl's death, then he was truly screwed by how this played out and we are getting a mid-first round talent at the cost of a 4th. If he was involved we cut him ASAP and are just out that 4th rounder. It's black and white--none of this "maybe he can change," he is in (with no issues going forward) or out and we would know this right away.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> doesn't matter no way Philbin could handle him and
> no way team takes a drug testing failure after
> getting burned by Jordan
>
> my bigger questions is do we take LaEl Collins if
> he falls to us in 4th. I say HELL YEAH. If he had
> nothing to do with his girl's death, then he was
> truly screwed by how this played out and we are
> getting a mid-first round talent at the cost of a
> 4th. If he was involved we cut him ASAP and are
> just out that 4th rounder. It's black and
> white--none of this "maybe he can change," he is
> in (with no issues going forward) or out and we
> would know this right away.


Interesting.

You'd take a shot on a guy who could be involved in a murder, something that is illegal in all 50 states...but not the guy who likes to smoke pot, something that is legal in two states today and probably in another 6-8 states by the end of 2016.

I'm not sure I understand the logic there.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > doesn't matter no way Philbin could handle him
> and
> > no way team takes a drug testing failure after
> > getting burned by Jordan
> >
> > my bigger questions is do we take LaEl Collins
> if
> > he falls to us in 4th. I say HELL YEAH. If he
> had
> > nothing to do with his girl's death, then he
> was
> > truly screwed by how this played out and we are
> > getting a mid-first round talent at the cost of
> a
> > 4th. If he was involved we cut him ASAP and are
> > just out that 4th rounder. It's black and
> > white--none of this "maybe he can change," he
> is
> > in (with no issues going forward) or out and we
> > would know this right away.
>
>
> Interesting.
>
> You'd take a shot on a guy who could be involved
> in a murder, something that is illegal in all 50
> states...but not the guy who likes to smoke pot,
> something that is legal in two states today and
> probably in another 6-8 states by the end of
> 2016.
>
> I'm not sure I understand the logic there.

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That's an easy answer, Truth. Collins is only being questioned because the girl is his ex-girlfriend. He is released by the police with nothing else that would concern him about the case, then he is free-and-clear. He is at a position Miami needs. He would come in the fourth round, where teams are now hoping they can get someone who will at least make the team. Win-win on Collins.

Gregory? Another Jordan who could end up in the same boat as Jordan and Miami would lose a player they drafted high. I don't remember if the original poster said Gregory in the 4th or maybe the 2nd. If Gregory is there in the fourth, then I don't have a problem taking him, but too risky for the second round. Miami needs to take someone who is going to be clean and has a chance to start.

OK, Truth, I just went back thru the posts and see that you are the one who mentioned Gregory, and taking him in the 2nd.

I wouldn't, but I have a feeling that he will be gone by the time Miami picks, anyway.

captkoi Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > berkeley223 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > doesn't matter no way Philbin could handle
> him
> > and
> > > no way team takes a drug testing failure
> after
> > > getting burned by Jordan
> > >
> > > my bigger questions is do we take LaEl
> Collins
> > if
> > > he falls to us in 4th. I say HELL YEAH. If he
> > had
> > > nothing to do with his girl's death, then he
> > was
> > > truly screwed by how this played out and we
> are
> > > getting a mid-first round talent at the cost
> of
> > a
> > > 4th. If he was involved we cut him ASAP and
> are
> > > just out that 4th rounder. It's black and
> > > white--none of this "maybe he can change," he
> > is
> > > in (with no issues going forward) or out and
> we
> > > would know this right away.
> >
> >
> > Interesting.
> >
> > You'd take a shot on a guy who could be
> involved
> > in a murder, something that is illegal in all
> 50
> > states...but not the guy who likes to smoke
> pot,
> > something that is legal in two states today and
> > probably in another 6-8 states by the end of
> > 2016.
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand the logic there.
>
> **************************************************
> **
>
> That's an easy answer, Truth. Collins is only
> being questioned because the girl is his
> ex-girlfriend. He is released by the police with
> nothing else that would concern him about the
> case, then he is free-and-clear. He is at a
> position Miami needs. He would come in the fourth
> round, where teams are now hoping they can get
> someone who will at least make the team. Win-win
> on Collins.
>
> Gregory? Another Jordan who could end up in the
> same boat as Jordan and Miami would lose a player
> they drafted high. I don't remember if the
> original poster said Gregory in the 4th or maybe
> the 2nd. If Gregory is there in the fourth, then I
> don't have a problem taking him, but too risky for
> the second round. Miami needs to take someone who
> is going to be clean and has a chance to start.
>
> OK, Truth, I just went back thru the posts and see
> that you are the one who mentioned Gregory, and
> taking him in the 2nd.
>
> I wouldn't, but I have a feeling that he will be
> gone by the time Miami picks, anyway.


But Cap, he's had what...3 days to be interviewed by the police and hasn't been yet. Why the delay?

If its on the police his agent should be screaming from the rooftops how they are screwing his client. If he's been slow to cooperate... then why?

They were saying last night that the police won't give the teams any insight into whether he's a suspect, person of interest, etc.

Until they clear him, how can you draft a guy who clearly is under the microscope by the police investigating this horrible crime?

Sure, if they give him the green light its a no-brainer...heck he's a 1st or 2nd round pick if that is the case.

But until that happens, how is it any better to draft a guy the cops are in no hurry to clear as a suspect in a murder over a guy who likes to smoke pot?

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > berkeley223 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > doesn't matter no way Philbin could handle
> him
> > and
> > > no way team takes a drug testing failure
> after
> > > getting burned by Jordan
> > >
> > > my bigger questions is do we take LaEl
> Collins
> > if
> > > he falls to us in 4th. I say HELL YEAH. If he
> > had
> > > nothing to do with his girl's death, then he
> > was
> > > truly screwed by how this played out and we
> are
> > > getting a mid-first round talent at the cost
> of
> > a
> > > 4th. If he was involved we cut him ASAP and
> are
> > > just out that 4th rounder. It's black and
> > > white--none of this "maybe he can change," he
> > is
> > > in (with no issues going forward) or out and
> we
> > > would know this right away.
> >
> >
> > Interesting.
> >
> > You'd take a shot on a guy who could be
> involved
> > in a murder, something that is illegal in all
> 50
> > states...but not the guy who likes to smoke
> pot,
> > something that is legal in two states today and
> > probably in another 6-8 states by the end of
> > 2016.
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand the logic there.
>
>
> its not about whats worse murder or pot.....its
> about that he will not be playing for any team if
> he test positive.
>
> What good is jordan now for us.



What does Jordan have to do with this?


And what good is La'el Collins to us if he's on trial for murder for the next two years or if he's doing 25 to LIFE in Angola??


Gregory controls his own fate. He can choose to stop smoking pot.

As long as Collins isn't in the clear or could be a suspect, his fate is completely out of his control, guilty or innocent.

Gregory is a weed head all of Jordan's suspensions have come from PED's is not that correct. To my knowledge Jordan never failed an illegal drugs test.

Is it a huge coincidence that his pregnant X was shot in the torso multiple times as she answered the door, all while Collins was out of town and about to be a millionaire?

There is motive there if the paternity test come back positive for Collins as the father. The baby lived through the ordeal.

It looks like an assassination Just a random one or planned? Scary stuff!

I hope the FO has some contacts in the BRPD.

It's not far fetched to imagine a man, about to become a millionaire and finds out he will be sharing a large % of that income with his X, to hire someone a large sum of money to do this. I hope not but...

The truth wrote:

What does Jordan have to do with this?



Its the same example two dimwits that won't amount to nothing because of dumb mistakes.

The fact that its pot or murder is irrelevant...

Drugs are a reason enough to be expelled from the NFL. And dion jordan again is the perfect example.

Once a pothead always a pothead.

Dont you know that man?

THE Truth Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > doesn't matter no way Philbin could handle him
> and
> > no way team takes a drug testing failure after
> > getting burned by Jordan
> >
> > my bigger questions is do we take LaEl Collins
> if
> > he falls to us in 4th. I say HELL YEAH. If he
> had
> > nothing to do with his girl's death, then he
> was
> > truly screwed by how this played out and we are
> > getting a mid-first round talent at the cost of
> a
> > 4th. If he was involved we cut him ASAP and are
> > just out that 4th rounder. It's black and
> > white--none of this "maybe he can change," he
> is
> > in (with no issues going forward) or out and we
> > would know this right away.
>
>
> Interesting.
>
> You'd take a shot on a guy who could be involved
> in a murder, something that is illegal in all 50
> states...but not the guy who likes to smoke pot,
> something that is legal in two states today and
> probably in another 6-8 states by the end of
> 2016.
>
> I'm not sure I understand the logic there.


he is either 100% innocent or 100% guilty. I would roll the dice that it is the former and if it is the latter I cut him. It's a more simple scenario than picking someone who is 100% guilty of doing something that just got our former #3 overall pick suspended for a season. Certainly not a comment on the severity of the crime at issue in the cases.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> The truth wrote:
>
> What does Jordan have to do with this?
>
>
>
> Its the same example two dimwits that won't amount
> to nothing because of dumb mistakes.
>
> The fact that its pot or murder is irrelevant...
>
> Drugs are a reason enough to be expelled from the
> NFL. And dion jordan again is the perfect example.


Sorry sam, but that like saying "I'm never drafting a WR from Ohio St because Tedd Ginn sucked.".

The two players have nothing in common that would suggest that one's career is a precursor to the other's.


Heck, if you want to make silly correlations like that then what if he has a career similar to our most infamous pot smoker, Ricky Williams? You still don't want him?

Smoking weed and failing drug tests. He's not even denying it. Sounds 100% guilty to me

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The truth wrote:
> >
> > What does Jordan have to do with this?
> >
> >
> >
> > Its the same example two dimwits that won't
> amount
> > to nothing because of dumb mistakes.
> >
> > The fact that its pot or murder is
> irrelevant...
> >
> > Drugs are a reason enough to be expelled from
> the
> > NFL. And dion jordan again is the perfect
> example.
>
>
> Sorry sam, but that like saying "I'm never
> drafting a WR from Ohio St because Tedd Ginn
> sucked.".
>
> The two players have nothing in common that would
> suggest that one's career is a precursor to the
> other's.
>
>
> Heck, if you want to make silly correlations like
> that then what if he has a career similar to our
> most infamous pot smoker, Ricky Williams? You
> still don't want him?


Nobody knew ricky did pot while he was in the nfl right?

Correct me if iam wrong....

Gregory is alreadya marked man and he hasnt played a down in the nfl.

I think gregory is going to be in trouble even before he plays a down in the nfl.

BTW no i dont want him. He will test positive again and be suspended like dion jordan.

I suppose ricky got tested while he as in the nfl and never found positive....Right?

Iam asking....

I think if ricky would had been found positive before draft he would not had a stellar career like he did.

Maybe he was...I dont remember.....Anybody care to answer if they remember....

The truth wrote; Sorry sam, but that like saying "I'm never drafting a WR from Ohio St because Tedd Ginn sucked.".


Once a pothead always a pothead.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> The truth wrote; Sorry sam, but that like saying
> "I'm never drafting a WR from Ohio St because Tedd
> Ginn sucked.".
>
>
> Once a pothead always a pothead.


Ricky doesn't smoke anymore.

I smoked in college. Haven't in 25 years.

What happens when its legal in a few years or when they don't even bother to test for it in the next CBA...you still going to be against taking people who smoke pot?

coming up..I would pass. He has more than drug problems according to reports I am reading.

At least he didn't go to Pats. But I think we should have grabbed him.

Im not that impressed w/ Gregory did not want him for the Phins. All this guy has to do is decide that he would rather collect an nfl paycheck or smoke weed. Right now the spot light will stay on him 24/7.

If he's the same person who made the ill judgement to smoke weed instead of collect an nfl paycheck and that shines through, you will be right.

If he shakes that off and becomes what he was projected as, the best DE in the draft, then Holy Moly, what a replacement of Dion Jordan would he have become.

Glad he got drafted in the 2nd.

He's a terrific talent in the right system and NOBODY should be judged for life based on a silly decision that didn't hurt anyone when they were 20 years old.