I like suh but hate giving him QB money. It makes the fringe players have to outperform their contracts. I agree it will help the LBs but don't expect anything from Misi. he's been average from his first snap here and I don't expect that tiger to change it's stripes.

I'd give Tripp the first shot at MLB. They all said Borland was too small and he dominated. Heart and instincts overcome physical limitations.

Not happy with gutting our WR corp for Stills and Cameron. I don't think Cameron plays more than 6 games and stills won't be the 4th option this year. He also doesn't have Brees throwing him the ball.

Going with Dallas Thomas at G because he's cheap is a mistake. Again, he hasn't been very good. Expecting something different is a stretch.

I see an improved defensive unit and the offense take a step back. We have the makings of an 8-8 team again.

quote: We have the makings of an 8-8
> team again.

Unless...


1. We pick a receiver in the first round and becomes a great number one target.

2. Both the guard spots are fixed.....I dont see dallas thomas as a starter yet. Maybe he takes it to the next level in his second year.

3. Suh dominates and the LBs whoever they are play well stuffing the run and cover the screen well and short passes which was a weakness last year....Wheeler was always getting beat with that.

4. Jamar taylor becomes dominant.

5. Brandon fields has a better year.

6. Landry keeps improving as a passing threat in the slot and quits his mistakes on returns.

7. Tannehill takes it to the next level.

8. Cameron jordan stays healthy.

9. The LT stays healthy for an entire year.

10. Miller keeps improving.

11. Stills is as good as advertised.

12. One of the most important....We develop at least 3 or 4 2015 draftees and improve the depth.


And many more things..need to happen for us to make the playoffs in 2015.

Im optimistic at the beginning of every year and then come crashing down in december.

a lot of "ifs" on that list.

it's only march. we'll be making a lot more changes between now and camp.

anyone know our OTA scd?

1. Philbins gotta get us to the playoffs this year or he is done.

2. Stills and company have to give us the td's that Wallace gave us. Philbin says his game matches Tanne I like that.

3. Tanne like Philbin has got to make this year his year and deliver. I like the way he raised his game last year. He is one player I do like the way the team is developing him.

4. I think Thomas can play guard. I saw Turner play LT in 3 ND state games and the guy impressed me. I hope he picked up what it takes to play in the nfl over the off season. We need depth so we can stop the musical chairs when a player is injured. Thomas and Turner need the reps at guard to master the position.

5. I would rather Jordan played LB got to get that guy on the field he has talent. Misi has never given us second rnd production and I don't expect him to do so now. Hope Suh's play help elevates his play or Sheppard comes in and guns for his position over the summer.

6. Draft I still would like a DT in rnd 1 and a rb in rnd 2. A dt to maximize Suhs impact and a power back to share the load w/ Miller and help Tanne keep drives alive.

c'mon. Anyone who calls himself "joefootball" has got to see Phlimflam is total garbage as an "NFL" head coach.

He's a freaking banquet coordinator on a good day.

As far as the rest of the staff -- the "best" have already departed.

Bottom line. It's a team with a mixed bag of talent (seemingly thinning) with certifiably the WORST coaching (top to bottom) in the division. We'll be lucky to make 500.

After that -- like 95% of us already see -- we start doing what would could have should have been doing for like 20 years...

Ross = Loss

It's a winning formula.

My opinion. Of course.

BNF.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2015 07:07AM by BigNastyFish.

As long as the jets keep stinking im happy.

Barring catastrophic injuries, this team will be as good as it's offensive line.

Period.

We have a solid qb at a minimum. He also has a chance to improve.

We have a pretty good RB. We may add another.

We have a good group of te's.

We have two very good young wr's and two other good prospects. We could use another veteran starter.

If our oline is a top ten unit then our offense will be a top ten unit. If it isn't improved then our offense won't be improved.


Right now, our oline isn't a top ten unit. And if Dallas Thomas is a starter, it won't be.

Priority #1 is finding a guy who can put Thomas on the bench.

MAYBE not top 10 but not far off IF healthy.

Albert at LT, Pouncey at C and James at RT all year = fewer sacks.

The Dolphins gave up 20 sacks total until Albert got injured through 10 weeks of play. That's 2 per game on average.

After Albert got hurt, they gave up 36 in 6 games! 6 per game.

We were already top 12 in rushing with injuries.
We were on pace to be 9th in pass pro (sacks) until BA got hurt. 32 sacks.

One could project that IF healthy and with improved guard play those numbers are likely to jump significantly.

We lost Colledge (no great loss). For a pass pro specialist, he gave up 7 sacks.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> MAYBE not top 10 but not far off IF healthy.
>
> Albert at LT, Pouncey at C and James at RT all
> year = fewer sacks.
>
> The Dolphins gave up 20 sacks total until Albert
> got injured through 10 weeks of play. That's 2 per
> game on average.
>
> After Albert got hurt, they gave up 36 in 6 games!
> 6 per game.
>
> We were already top 12 in rushing with injuries.
> We were on pace to be 9th in pass pro (sacks)
> until BA got hurt. 32 sacks.
>
> One could project that IF healthy and with
> improved guard play those numbers are likely to
> jump significantly.
>
> We lost Colledge (no great loss). For a pass pro
> specialist, he gave up 7 sacks.


The oline is only as good as its weakest link.

I like Turner. I think he's going to be an excellent onlinemen.

Still need a LG and still need Albert to comeback at 100%.

Then we have to hope nobody goes down.

We can be a top 10 unit with one good addition and perfect health all year. We can also be a bottom 5 unit if we don't upgrade over Dallas Thomas and if Albert never returns to form.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Who is kodaking?

LOL. Not A 'WHO' but a 'WHAT'...Philbin's term for what he does at the end of close games: calling timeout to take a 'picture' of the opposing offense and make sure everyone on D knows what they're doing.


> I think we already saw Hartline's ceiling and I'm
> not too worried about losing him. Not a play maker
> or points scorer.

A little more respect for Hartline's talent please! 300 receptions for over 4,200 yards (including a 1,000 yard season) is not exactly chopped liver!!


> Actually, I see it more as putting another Jeff
> Ireland mistake behind us and stopping the
> bleeding. No team can afford to pay the guys who
> don't deliver extra.

Wallace may have gone about expressing his frustrations the wrong way, but it's Tannehill who couldn't deliver the ball on target and Lazor who took a thoroughbred racehorse and hitched a plow to him with Philbin's consent. Who is the bigger sinner here? There is nothing wrong with Wallace's skill set; he came as advertised. Ben Roethlisberger didn't have any trouble whatsoever getting him the ball.


> Stills scouting report is the opposite except he
> also has elite speed. No, he didn't come out as a
> rookie dominating but some players take longer.
> His numbers are still pretty darn good. he also
> was not targeted as much as Wallace but his ypc
> average is right on pace with MW's over the first
> two years.

I haven't judged Stills yet, except to note that he hasn't shown himself to be the dominator or intimidator that Wallace is. Let's see what the kid's got.


> OG: I'm all with giving Turner and Thomas first
> cracks at OG. Good call.
>
> Who said that? Turner at RG maybe but Thomas at
> LG...I would not depend on that. He would need a
> turn around in the style of Evan Mathis to earn
> that role.


That's Joe Philbin's intention. Again, no problem with it given what we paid for them.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2015 10:51AM by cshashaty.

Wallace intimidator?

All i remember wallace doing was exactly was ted ginn did...shy away from contact and not going up for the ball..

Instead of intimidator he looked more like a pussy cat.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Barring catastrophic injuries, this team will be
> as good as it's offensive line.
>
> Period.
>
> We have a solid qb at a minimum. He also has a
> chance to improve.
>
> We have a pretty good RB. We may add another.
>
> We have a good group of te's.
>
> We have two very good young wr's and two other
> good prospects. We could use another veteran
> starter.
>
> If our oline is a top ten unit then our offense
> will be a top ten unit. If it isn't improved
> then our offense won't be improved.
>
>
> Right now, our oline isn't a top ten unit. And
> if Dallas Thomas is a starter, it won't be.
>
> Priority #1 is finding a guy who can put Thomas on
> the bench.

Priority #1 should be to take the player who will have the most impact at 14.

And what position impacted our 2014 season more than any one thing?

I think it was the loss of Branden Albert. It shook up our entire line.

I could see them going after the best O-linemen available or possibly trading down a few spots to take one. You take a guy like DJ Humphries, Brandon Scherff or La'el Collins, who can play LT, RT or G and we have someone we can plug into LG day one. If James or Albert get hurt, then he slides over to tackle and we aren't jockeying every position to fill a void.

If we could drop down to 20 or 21 and pick up a 2nd rounder, that would be nice. it would more than make up for the 3 we gave up.

That being said, If Parker is available at 14, I'm taking him and going after a G/T in 2.

Either way, I think we need to sign a LG and draft one high and do the same thing to fill the void at split end.

Oh....and we need a starting CB.

A trade down is the best way to fill all 3 spots.

I have a sneaking suspicion the Dolphins want to run an offense with two receiving threat TE's. Just the fact that they went after Jimmy Graham and Cameron while still trying to sign Clay....I just hope they don't take one too high.

Omar Kelly ?@OmarKelly 34m34 minutes ago
Joe Philbin made a point of saying the coaches now know what Tannehill can, and can't throw & are building the offense around it. GREAT!

Philbin has said stuff in the past, let's hope he actually follows thru on it this time

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Wallace intimidator?
>
> All i remember wallace doing was exactly was ted
> ginn did...shy away from contact and not going up
> for the ball..
>
> Instead of intimidator he looked more like a pussy
> cat.


There wasn't an opposing HC or DC coach who didn't fear Wallace knocking the top off of their defense. Those that manned him up did so at their own peril, betting Tannehill would miss. Often times, they were right.

You have a point but that might have been at the beginning of the year.....

By mid season every team knew tannehill was either going to underthrow or overthrow wallace and the few times he did hit him in stride wallace dropped.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> We all have reservations about our coaching staff.
> I know some of you outright detest Philbin,
> however...
>
> I have seen signs from him that I've never seen
> before that are promising. He seems like he is
> taking more control over his coordinators as
> needed. He even called out Coyle for trying to do
> too much. We all saw the friction last year when
> Odrick was spotted yelling at Philbin (about Kevin
> Coyle). JP said they WILL BE simplifying the
> scheme and not try to do so much. That means fewer
> fancy sub packages, personnel substitutions and
> more focus on fundamentals like tackling which was
> a HUGE problem last year. JP has vowed to fix the
> defense.
>
> My optimism is based on the fact that for the last
> decade or so, this team has defied logic at every
> turn from the GM down to the position coaches.
> They failed to address even the most obvious flaws
> and seemed to stick their heads in the sand, time
> and time again.
>
> They ignored the loss of talent and failed to
> replace unsuccessful players. They offered huge
> contracts to average players and let more talented
> players walk.
>
> Coaches and GM's kept force feeding their
> philosophies when it was apparent things were not
> working. All along denying their was even an
> issue. This goes back to the turn of the century
> all the way through last year....although it
> seemed to get corrected, partially with Hickey.
>
> He stopped the madness Ireland perpetuated and
> seemed to address every need he could possibly
> manage. In the end, it did not work but I blame
> that on injuries (and suspensions) as much as
> anything. The players he brought in were great
> until injury struck.
>
> Two big losses were Branden Albert and Knowshon
> Moreno. The loss of Albert shook up the entire
> offense and introduced "depth" that we had not
> really established yet.
>
> No one really knew what to expect from Moreno but
> he impressed everyone with his passion and hard
> nosed running. All those issues on a relatively
> new and rebuilding team were too hard to overcome,
> let alone when you factor in the inexperience of a
> green (and stubborn) defensive coordinator (and
> HC).
>
> Those three things were the only difference
> between 8-8 and the playoffs in my opinion.
>
> Only deep and established teams are able to
> overcome a severe injury bug. The last time we
> made the playoffs, we were the healthiest team in
> the league and our roster has been turned over by
> a large percentage several times since then.
>
> We have moved on from the Ireland wasteland and I
> like what I have seen for only the second year in
> a row. We moved on from the Ireland acquisitions
> and are getting scheme fitting players and not
> overpaying for mediocrity and unknowns.
>
> Philbin has actually admitted where the problems
> were. Is it possible that he is (as some of us
> suspected) actually able to grow as a head coach?
> Things are looking up.
>
> Problem 1: Injuries: We get back the biggest
> negating factor of 2014 in Branden Albert and
> hopefully find better depth along the o-line.
> Moreno could get a do-over. Imagine M&M as the
> thunder and lightning we were missing last year,
> running behind an improved line that was already
> 12th ranked in the NFL in 2014. This also fills
> one more hole and allows us to focus on greater
> needs in the draft. Those two could boost us to a
> top 5 running game. Moreno is only 27 years old.
> Koa Misi was his typical solid-not-spectacular
> self at MLB last year. He was also injured pretty
> much from day one and fought threw that injury all
> season. Now he gets to run around healthy, behind
> Ndamukong Suh and make plays.
>
> Problem 2: Defensive scheme: Sounds like they are
> going to put an end to the fancy stuff and focus
> on basics. This starts with Suh and works itself
> outward. Can we finally get back some toughness
> that has been missing since Zach Thomas and JT
> played together? That is the hope. We have 4 stars
> on defense. Suh, Wake, Grimes and Jones...AND more
> waiting to get their shot. This CAN actually
> happen now that the schemes won't be so
> complicated. This makes it possible for young
> players to actually get on the field without
> having to get a DC degree. McCain is getting a
> shot to start at SLB and Jordan will FOCUS on
> playing DE. Should be a little easier when he is
> lining up with Suh & Wake and will also give us
> that extra pass rusher to spell Vernon and/or
> Wake.
>
> Problem 3: Logic void: We still have Hickey but
> have (hopefully) freed him up to concentrate on
> player evaluation. We got two quality starters out
> of last year but also had some injury issues with
> the rookies.
>
> Instead of signing mediocrity, we signed the best
> DT in football. We let some talent walk but
> Wallace was just not a good fit here. We replaced
> him with a younger, cheaper option (Stills) who is
> not short on potential or production. Sounds like
> he may work out as a better scheme fit. We
> upgraded TE if you are just looking at talent.
> Hopefully the concussion issues will not be a
> problem for our new seam threat.
>
> We still have holes to fill at CB, OG & WR as well
> as depth throughout the team. Like last year, we
> can still address those issues in FA as more
> players become available as cap casualties as well
> as in the draft.
>
> Some will disagree but I think we are solid at
> LB.
>
> WLB Jenkins: Breakout year for a guy who made more
> plays than either of his high priced predecessors.
> We also have a young and emerging Jordan Tripp who
> I expect to offer much competition in camp at one
> of the three positions. He's a great option as an
> insurance policy to Jenkins as well.
>
> MLB Misi: I believe he was solid last year but not
> even at full strength. He was also learning a new
> position. Both of those issues should be improved
> this season. He will also be freed up to roam (as
> will Jenkins) with Suh and good DE's in front of
> him (them).
>
> SLB: I'm not sure that Tripp is a fit here unless
> he has put on some functional strength this year.
> He was more of a roamer/WLB. He was at a healthy
> 6'3, 235 lbs last year but had the frame to add 15
> easily. If he did that, he could play the middle
> or strong side, IMO....as long as he hones his
> technique to shed and tackle.
>
> I think McCain will get first shot here in an
> effort to get some good talent on the field. If he
> can grow up a bit, he could be a star player. I
> have no idea what kind of work ethic he has but he
> will need a great one to start. He has the tools.
>
> How do you guys see it? Any optimism? It seems our
> needs are not near as great as they were.

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As we have all said numerous times, Miami has a lot of holes to fill. Extremely important they find a trading partner to at least get that third rounder back. Lot of talent in this year's draft, and there will be some good players still available in that third. Drop to the fourth, and now it will be whatever the brass can find (and keep our fingers crossed).

I still think LB is a position that Miami needs to go after. What we have isn't real strong. Jenkins played well last year, but lets see how he does this year. Hopefully 2014 wasn't a fluke.

I can't agree that ..."our needs are not near as great as they were." We need two starting OGs. Are they presently on the roster? Albert went down last year...no one was able to replace him. No telling if he will be ready for the season this year. If not, once again, who will replace him? Right now, Miami has Pouncey starting at center and James at right tackle. That's it.

Need one or two more WRs. Good talent in this year's draft where one will be available in the second round. Then Miami has to look for a veteran to fill out the WR corps. TE is set, unless the concussion problems return for Cameron. If that happens, we have Sims and.....?

DB. Grimes, with everyone else fighting for the other starting spot. No guarantees with Davis nor Taylor. Can Delmas be ready for the start of the season? Need to get another safety just in case.

DLine is top notch with Suh in the middle. No complaints there. RT is set at QB, and will probably be even better than he has been....depending on what Hickey and Tannenbaum put around him.

Well, there ya have it. Just my opinion, of course.

cshashaty Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And the whole "Tannehill couldn't deliver" is
> > complete and utter crapola.
>
> No it isn't, and it was a lot was a lot more than
> 4-5 passes. It was 1-2 per game, one of which was
> usually a wide open TD. I'm not even counting the
> times where Wallace was standing alone and
> Tannehill didn't even see him. It was THE
> difference between 8-8 and 11-5.
>
> I knew we had a problem in the third preseason
> game vs Dallas when Tannehill threw a ball so far
> over Wallace's head that Manute Bol couldn't have
> caught it.
>
> I love the upside on Tannehill but he has GOT to
> improve his deep third game. Trading Wallace won't
> make Tannehill better in this regard.
>
>
> > I knew the Ben Roeth comparison would be
> brought
> > up....so what happened in Mike's final year in
> > Pit? He didn't do so hot. Did he?
>
> Forget it. Wallace knew he was headed to FA, and
> he played not to get hurt. A lot of guys do that
> (unfortunately).
>
>
> > You haven't judged Stills but you have judged
> he
> > is not a dominator?
>
> I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen defensive
> adjustments that compare to the respect that
> Wallace commanded. The only way to change that is
> to put plays on film. Again, let's see if the kid
> does it. The Dolphins certainly need him to.
>
>
>
> > Bill Lazor, the rookie OC should be the end
> all,
> > be all coordinator, and adapt his BRAND SPANKIN
> > NEW system to fit a couple vet WR's...all while
> on
> > the job training, teaching a new system and
> > getting to know those players.
>
> The best coaches in football adapt to the talent
> he has to work with. Shula was a master at this.
> So was Bill Arnsparger. Belichick is a great
> modern day example as well. One of my continuous
> criticisms of Joe Philbin is that he does not do a
> good job of maximizing what he has to work with.
>
>
> > Ryan Tannehill, the inexperienced, developing
> QB
> > should be chastised for struggling in one area
> of
> > his game, after working on, and getting better
> in
> > most other aspects...oh and setting a few
> records
> > in Miami...for Qb's.
>
> I'm delighted to see Tannehill's development.
> We've waited a long time to see a franchise
> caliber guy take the reigns. But the deep third
> ball is his glaring weakness right now, and
> opponents do not respect his ability to throw it.
> Only Tannehill can change that, and he won't lead
> this team to a championship until he does.
>
> ***************************************************

Yes, RT's long ball is his weakness, but the opponents don't respect it? Miami had Wallace on the outside. You don't think the defenders had a deep safety on his side? Stills is now with Miami. The guy has speed. You don't think defenders will be wary of him? Teams don't have to respect RTs inability to connect on the deep ball, but they do have to respect the speed that RT has on his side. Go ahead, let the defenders play one-on-one with Stills and see what happens. RT won't connect on the long ball 100 percent of the time there is a one-on-one, but he will connect.

RT is working on changing that, as he is on working to get better in his whole game. He doesn't have to connect on the long ones to get this team to a championship. It's what his guys do with the ball once they catch it.

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>
> > Mike Wallace, the veteran, highest paid WR in
> the
> > league (at the time) should not been held
> > accountable to be a complete WR because he had
> a
> > couple good years in the deep passing game with
> > one of the best all time deep passers?
>
> No one worked harder in practice (and AFTER
> practice) than Wallace. He was the shining
> example. If everyone put in the time he did, we
> would have qualified for the postseason. His route
> running improved leaps and bounds from when he
> arrived, and he became even more physical in the
> route. Yeah, he dropped some easy passes but so
> did Hartline, Gibson, Landry, and the others.
>
> My point here with Wallace is that shipping him
> off to the Vikings doesn't make this team better.
> Tannehill still cant complete deep throws
> consistently. maybe the two of them just couldn't
> get along. That's a shame but definitely toxic for
> team chemistry. Let's see if Tannehill improves
> this offseason. If he continues to fight this,
> even with a fresh stable of receivers, it's just
> going to continue to cost us wins.

THE Truth Wrote:
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>
> We can be a top 10 unit with one good addition and
> perfect health all year.


I hope to god that our organization doesn't count on this. I can't remember one year where we didn't have to replace someone on the line. Just doesn't happen. O line needs depth thru versatility players. You need one or two guys that can hop from tackle to guard and vice versa EFFECTIVELY to be a good unit in this league.

I think they will probably approach WR and OL in a similar fashion. See who you get in the draft at those positions and infill with FA's after unless a guy comes along at the right price.

Like it was written last week, you don't want to bring in a guy thinking he's going to be the starting split end and then draft Davante Parker....it's a waste. Same philosophy for the line.

Not many out there in FA but you're not going to pay Evan Mathis (if he comes available) big money and then spend a 2nd round pic on a LG.

FootballGod Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > We can be a top 10 unit with one good addition
> and
> > perfect health all year.
>
>
> I hope to god that our organization doesn't count
> on this. I can't remember one year where we didn't
> have to replace someone on the line. Just doesn't
> happen. O line needs depth thru versatility
> players. You need one or two guys that can hop
> from tackle to guard and vice versa EFFECTIVELY to
> be a good unit in this league.


Yes. that was the point of my original post. That the offensive line isn't complete and it needs to be the top priority. That doesn't mean we need to spend our 1st round pick on an olineman. It means we need to find a 5th legit starter and add some depth.

Finding a 5th legit starter will help our depth. it will push Thomas to the bench along with Walton and Fox.


we can't fix every hole in the roster each year. There are only so many picks and so much money available to spend.

For this year we need one more guy to round out the starting lienup. Unless someone shakes loose after the draft I don't think there is going to be a guy on the market that will improve our depth dramatically.

That might have to wait one more year, which means we need a year where we don't lose an irreplaceable part of our line (like Albert) or our offense won't improve.

Last year our offense fell apart when we lost albert and moved james to LT and Thomas to RT. We just couldn't pass block with that lineup.

Lets hope that doesn't happen this year.