JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Mayock said after watching game tape of DGB, "he
> didn't have a clue what he was doing".
>
> Really likes Jalean Strong. Reminds him of Larry
> Fitzgerald only not as technically sound.

I agree with him on dgb. He is raw. But he only played his fr & soph seasons. He's not going to be as developed as other guys.

Not sure about the Fitzgerald comp for strong though. I like him but not as much as that.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> > > > > Id sign for those first two picks right
> > now.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really love dorsett's game. I think
> he's
> > > > going
> > > > > to be a stud in the NFL.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would also allow us to part ways with
> > > > wallace
> > > > > after this season and not skip a beat.
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> > > > I was also thinking about Wallace, in that
> > > Dorsett
> > > > could take his position. Wallace is
> slightly
> > > > taller than Dorsett, but not by much. It is
> > > > reported that Dorsett is also the fastest
> > > player
> > > > in this year's draft.
> > > >
> > > > Read this AM of which teams could be
> > interested
> > > in
> > > > a trade with Miami to get Wallace.
> > Personally,
> > > I
> > > > highly doubt any team would be willing to
> > give
> > > up
> > > > as much as it would take to get Wallace,
> > > > however...if it is a team that is on the
> cusp
> > > and
> > > > all they need is that one guy (receiver)
> then
> > > it
> > > > is possible a deal could get done.
> > > >
> > > > But I, like the rest of you, don't believe
> > > > anything will happen with Wallace until
> after
> > > this
> > > > coming season.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd trade Wallace, but I'm not giving him
> away.
> >
> > > I'd want a late #1, or a 2 &3 this year, or
> a
> > 2
> > > this year and next.
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> > *******
> >
> > A 2 and something else at the minimum.
>
> come on guys, no one is even giving a late rounder
> for wallace with his insane contract and the fact
> we are just as likely to cut him and get nothing,
> because philbin can't handle him

Couple of points:

If Percy Harvin was tradeable then Wallace certainly is.

There are more than a few teams out there with HUGE cap space available (like Oakland) who could easily absorb the rest of his contract.

The guaranteed money left on his deal is small.

and what did the jets get for harvin? not much. and wallace is making a ton more, he's one of the highest paid WR in the league but doesn't perform like it and has an attitude problem

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

It will depend on whether or not these teams decide to get in the game and actually TRY to field a team.

Jax 60 mil, Oak 54 mil, Cle 48 mil, Jets 46 mil, Ten 40 mil....

You would think Jack Del Rio would not have taken the job without assurances. You can only do so much in the draft.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> > > > > Id sign for those first two picks right
> > now.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really love dorsett's game. I think
> he's
> > > > going
> > > > > to be a stud in the NFL.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would also allow us to part ways with
> > > > wallace
> > > > > after this season and not skip a beat.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> **************************************************
>
> >
> > >
> > > > ********
> > > >
> > > > I was also thinking about Wallace, in that
> > > Dorsett
> > > > could take his position. Wallace is
> slightly
> > > > taller than Dorsett, but not by much. It is
> > > > reported that Dorsett is also the fastest
> > > player
> > > > in this year's draft.
> > > >
> > > > Read this AM of which teams could be
> > interested
> > > in
> > > > a trade with Miami to get Wallace.
> > Personally,
> > > I
> > > > highly doubt any team would be willing to
> > give
> > > up
> > > > as much as it would take to get Wallace,
> > > > however...if it is a team that is on the
> cusp
> > > and
> > > > all they need is that one guy (receiver)
> then
> > > it
> > > > is possible a deal could get done.
> > > >
> > > > But I, like the rest of you, don't believe
> > > > anything will happen with Wallace until
> after
> > > this
> > > > coming season.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd trade Wallace, but I'm not giving him
> away.
> >
> > > I'd want a late #1, or a 2 &3 this year, or
> a
> > 2
> > > this year and next.
> >
> >
> **************************************************
>
> > *******
> >
> > A 2 and something else at the minimum.
>
> come on guys, no one is even giving a late rounder
> for wallace with his insane contract and the fact
> we are just as likely to cut him and get nothing,
> because philbin can't handle him

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Fins not gonna cut Wallace...too high of a cap hit and he does bring talent (and speed) to Miami's offense.

The NFL is a strange lot - no one thinks something can happen, and it does. Then no one thinks nothing will happen, and it does.

If someone is desperate enough, a deal can get done with any player.

I was pretty familiar with Jeff Ireland's draft philosophy and methodology. I can't say I've got Dennis Hickey figured out yet. My take on the draft is that the Dolphins are very likely to draft defense...the most highly rated defender on the board since they could use help everywhere.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> and what did the jets get for harvin? not much.
> and wallace is making a ton more, he's one of the
> highest paid WR in the league but doesn't perform
> like it and has an attitude problem


It doesn't matter what harvin did or didn't do. That's irrelevant. It just shows that top talent is tradable no matter the warts or the contract.

His attitude "problems" are overstated. His value to any offense just by his presence on the field is grossly understated.

yes but you are proposing getting a high pick and then some for a guy. Harvin was talented and had warts and SEA got pennies on the dollar and there was no vibe that he was about to be cut soon, unlike wallace. I don't see that as being irrelevant at all. I am sure we could get a 5th or 6th for wallace but I'd rather keep him. But yeah I'd trade him for a 1st round pick, who wouldn't? it's just not happening though

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> yes but you are proposing getting a high pick and
> then some for a guy. Harvin was talented and had
> warts and SEA got pennies on the dollar and there
> was no vibe that he was about to be cut soon,
> unlike wallace. I don't see that as being
> irrelevant at all. I am sure we could get a 5th or
> 6th for wallace but I'd rather keep him. But yeah
> I'd trade him for a 1st round pick, who wouldn't?
> it's just not happening though


I wasn't predicting we'd get it. Just said I wouldn't trade him for less because what he brings to my offense I can't replace this off-season.

Wallace is 10X the player Harvin is and 1/10th the headache. The fact that ANY team would give up mid round pick for Harvin and his 10m a year deal should indicate that Wallace would get more interest.

fair enough

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After watching the few highlight clips of him, I'd have no problem if we got him, preferably in the 2nd because of the off field stuff, but I'm starting to think he doesn't last that long.

Big, fast WR is top of the draft list for us in my opinion, and he'd be one I'd definitely consider. This draft has a good amount of 1st-round talent at the WR position.

I'd like to see DT and G handled via FA and WR in the 1st.

tsstamper Wrote:
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> Big, fast WR is top of the draft list for us in my
> opinion, and he'd be one I'd definitely consider.
> This draft has a good amount of 1st-round talent
> at the WR position.
>
> I'd like to see DT and G handled via FA and WR in
> the 1st.

Exactly.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> tsstamper Wrote:
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> > Big, fast WR is top of the draft list for us in
> my
> > opinion, and he'd be one I'd definitely
> consider.
> > This draft has a good amount of 1st-round
> talent
> > at the WR position.
> >
> > I'd like to see DT and G handled via FA and WR
> in
> > the 1st.
>
> Exactly.

Thirdly.

I'll go one better.

I'd like to see two WR in the first 3 rounds.

#1 WR come in the draft

White and Cooper will be gone

Parker or Strong

I'm not big on WR at 14. We are not a team like the Ravens, or Broncos, or Dallas, that need a volume wideout (150+ targets). We need a tall guy to get a 50/50 ball occasionally in the redzone. We also need an athletic WR for about 80-90 attempts at #2 boundary, and at the #4, Gibson spot.

There are several ways to go about this. Lockett can be very functional at #2. DeAndrew White is a good #4. Mathews can move to #4 as well. The guy from Rice, Taylor, is an excellent 50/50 redzone target. Rather than carrying Hazel on the roster, that's the kind of WR Dolphins should carry.

What we need is a franchise receiver or running back. Enough of the "functional" players. We need studs that teams game plan around. Philbin's whole theory of "we don't need a #1" is complete BS. We need point scorers and play makers!

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> What we need is a franchise receiver or running
> back. Enough of the "functional" players. We need
> studs that teams game plan around. Philbin's whole
> theory of "we don't need a #1" is complete BS. We
> need point scorers and play makers!


Definetely.

No, we don't. We do not need a franchise receiver. Franchise receiver is for teams like Bengals who run power football--2-wide sets, and need a guy who will get volume targets, 150+.
We need a #2 boundary guy, and a #4--Hartline and Gibson replacements. Hartline guy will get 80 targets, and Gibson guy is in for 4-wide sets, red zone.


Miller is a franchise RB, he's a top 5 RB in ypc. Miller ran track, he is super fast, ran 4.4, and Williams ran 4.45 last year. Both are big, can protect, and have a year experience. That is better than most if not all RBs in this year's draft. We don't neeed to waste picks on RBs.

RE: WR....That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. ANY team could use a franchise receiver. It's about scoring points. 17 total TD's from our top 3 WR's is not going to cut it. Not if you want to make the jump to an elite offense.

Are you seriously going to try and tell me that a Jordy Nelson or DeMaryius Thomas would not greatly benefit this offense? GB and Denver do not run 2 WR, power offenses. No way in hell they are letting those WR's out of town either.

How did that philosophy work out for the Bengals this year? Dalton only threw 19 TD's. 8 fewer than Tannehill.

There was a serious infusion of WR talent into the league last year. It's going to happen again this year. Either keep up or be left behind.

Miller is an adequate back. He improved by leaps and bounds this year and they should have used him more. Williams has shown little in the way of field vision or making plays. He had 122 yards and 3.4 ypc so let's not get too carried away with a 40 time. Neither one were very effective on the goal line.

Personally, I like having a stable of backs. Injuries happen and it's better to keep them fresh. Williams MAY be ok if he improves but he has a lot of work to do.

We definitely need a short yardage/power back.

Miller is NOT a franchise RB. He is a so-so receiver, a terrible blocker, and average at best in short yardage.

Franchise backs do all of that stuff well.

We definitely need to draft a RB. The only question is do you spend a high draft pick on a stud, or a later pick on a roll player?

I'd prefer an impact WR, DT, or OL in the first but I'm not going to complain even a little bit if we take Gurley or Gordon in the 1st instead.

1A - trade up, 1B at our slot, 1C = trade down

1A: Leo Williams, Kevin White, Amari Cooper, Vic Beasley, Dan Shelton, Donte Fowler,

1B: Melvin Gordan, Davante Parker, Trae Waynes,

1C: Malcomb Brown, TJ Clemmings, Brandon Scherff, Landon Collins, Jalean Strong, La'el Collins

Preferrably I would go WR first if I could get a top one. I would take Gordan if the top 2 WR's are gone. OL if Gordan and WR are gone.

RB and WR is pretty deep so I am not settling. I do like Strong enough to possibly take him at 14.

This is the year to trade up as well. Not 2013! Thanks Jeff...None of the top 12 picks that year have done much. Lane Johnson (who we should have picked) is probably the best one from 1-12.