There's a few problems with Armondo's "theory".

Scenario 1: Ross reaches out to SF to acquire Harbaugh BEFORE he fires Philbin and we have the same situation as when he did that to Sparano! laughing stock...again. Not much chance they can keep this quiet since they would need the leagues permission.

They also have to meet the Rooney rule and interview a minority coach.

Scenario 2: He fires Philbin and goes after Harbaugh. No way to keep JP if Harbaugh declines. He is more likely to take Oakland job or Michigan job IMO. Now we are out on both coaches.



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I don't want Harbaugh the guy is brings just as many distractions as he has plays in his playbook.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> There's a few problems with Armondo's "theory".
>
> Scenario 1: Ross reaches out to SF to acquire
> Harbaugh BEFORE he fires Philbin and we have the
> same situation as when he did that to Sparano!
> laughing stock...again. Not much chance they can
> keep this quiet since they would need the leagues
> permission.
>
> They also have to meet the Rooney rule and
> interview a minority coach.
>
> Scenario 2: He fires Philbin and goes after
> Harbaugh. No way to keep JP if Harbaugh declines.
> He is more likely to take Oakland job or Michigan
> job IMO. Now we are out on both coaches.


I don't think either scenario comes to pass Joe. It's not the same situation as it was when harbaugh was at Stanford. At least not until harbaugh gets fired.

If we are trying to trade for a coach under contract we don't have to fire Philbin first and we won't have to satisfy the rooney rule. We won't be interviewing candidates for hc, we'd be acquiring one already under contract a difference extending him.

No. We don't have to fire Philbin first but how did that work out for us last time?

To top it all off. Harbaugh has to approve the trade.

Harbaugh is likely not getting fired.

I would take Ryan in a heartbeat before settling for keeping Philbin.

I can go back and use the "search" function on this webboard and show you TWO GAMES last year and two games this year we lost solely to coaching errors on FOUR PLAYS, ONE IN EACH OF THOSE GAMES.

You can have the best talent in the world but if you lose by making critical mistakes on timeouts, whether to get your kicker nearer for a field goal that at least assures you of overtime, when to run the ball and when to pass, what play to run on 4th and short, what lineup to defend 4th and short that Philbin blew, I can assure you, you've got a pile of sh*t on your tuxedo that you are trying to wear to the Oscars.

That pile of sh*t is Philbin.

Get rid of him and shut-up. (as BNF would say).

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> No. We don't have to fire Philbin first but how
> did that work out for us last time?
>
> To top it all off. Harbaugh has to approve the
> trade.
>
> Harbaugh is likely not getting fired.

Do you have to cut a player before you explore trading for his replacement?

What if Tom Coughlin is fired? The NYG want to get rid of him, but they don't want to fire him outright. We could work a deal with them. Maybe swap HCs?

Does he come with a life alert system? He is retiring after one more year and from what I heard, not getting fired.

Joe, is it the talent or coaching holding the phins back?

jsm08 Wrote:
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> Joe, is it the talent or coaching holding the
> phins back?

BOTH

But this year is a perfect example of how (with us sitting at 7-7) how coaching can screw you out of games THAT EVEN WITH YOUR LACK OF TALENT, you could have won.

Philflam screwed us out of both GB and Detroit victories....WITH coaching errors.


Without that, we would now be 9-5 a much better shot at the playoffs and with two GIMMES like the Vikings and the Jets left so we would probably end up 11-5.

As an aside, I don't agree with those people on this board who say, "what's the point in making the playoffs". You have a team in order to win the SuperBowl.

You can't win the SuperBowl unless you are in the playoffs.

There is nothing in the rules that PROHIBIT a wild card team from winning the SuperBowl.

That's the difference between COACHING ERRORS and POOR PLAY BY PLAYERS.

There are so many factors to be considered about a player's performance.

But for Godsakes.

Do you want to know why I AM HARDER on Philbin than any other poster on the board EXCEPT NCFishFan???

Because all coaches have to do is think. That's it.

48-20-1, 3 conference championship games, one super bowl appearance ins just under 4 years in san fran. one bad year which happens to be the norm in Miami.

with parity in the NFL a good coach can make a big difference.

worth a 1st round pick in my opinion.

If we can get him with little to no draft pick compensation I'll be all for it, I definitely don't want to give up a 1st for him

it's one pick for years of good coaching.

you get what you pay for. if a pick deters us from getting a proven coach then this team deserves to be mired in mediocrity.

ChyrenB--you're right, with better coaching applied at the right moments, the GB and Detroit game should have been wins for us (Dolphins). Mistakes in judgment did us in, probably more than anything else.

Also, without question, there is no reason why a wild card team, with less than a stellar record could get it together, get on a roll, and win the SB.

Players have to have talent, have to know plays, work to execute them, and sort out the opposition's moves when the ball is snapped. Lots of things going on, many variables when the play is underway.

The coaches have to do a little more than think as you put it. They are command and control. If they are not intuitive, lack good judgment, make the wrong calls, and so on, communicating bad info to the field usually has poor results on the field. Players and coaches both have to have situational awareness. When this is lacking in both spheres, oops...there's failure. (Reference: Fake play by GB and short pass for TD, a la Marino v. Jets.)

Philbin is a weak HC. After 3 seasons of mediocre play and less than a 50/50 winning record, he needs to take a back seat to some other coach with a proven winning record. Mr. Ross this is your cue....you're on stage next.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> it's one pick for years of good coaching.
>
> you get what you pay for. if a pick deters us
> from getting a proven coach then this team
> deserves to be mired in mediocrity.


With the Michigan offer floating around out there, I don't think the 49ers are in any kind of position to get much. Harbaugh holds the key here, he gets to pick where he's going. I think the only other real competition Miami has for his services is Oakland, and that's only because of the reports of his wife wanting to stay in the Bay area. But again, that's a call that Harbaugh gets to make, not the 49ers. They've painted themselves into the corner by making it so public that divorce is coming, what leverage do they have now?

The trade that would have sent him to Cleveland would have cost the browns 2 3rd round picks.

That's chump change.

The Buccaneers gave up 2 1sts, 2 2nds and $8mm for Gruden and they won a Super Bowl. I bet they don't regret that.

I've been told Ross is willing to pay $10 mill per year for Harbaugh.

He laughs at the Michigan offer.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> I've been told Ross is willing to pay $10 mill per
> year for Harbaugh.
>
> He laughs at the Michigan offer.


Probably because it's his money Michigan is offering...


?

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > With the Michigan offer floating around out
> there,
> > I don't think the 49ers are in any kind of
> > position to get much. Harbaugh holds the key
> here,
> > he gets to pick where he's going. I think the
> only
> > other real competition Miami has for his
> services
> > is Oakland, and that's only because of the
> reports
> > of his wife wanting to stay in the Bay area.
> But
> > again, that's a call that Harbaugh gets to
> make,
> > not the 49ers. They've painted themselves into
> the
> > corner by making it so public that divorce is
> > coming, what leverage do they have now?
>
>
> You only work 8 hours a day but the other
> 16..........

For $10 Mil a year...my wife learns to live with it lol.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Aqua&Orange Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've been told Ross is willing to pay $10 mill
> per
> > year for Harbaugh.
> >
> > He laughs at the Michigan offer.
>
>
> Probably because it's his money Michigan is
> offering...
>
>
> ?


I don't know, I think Ross might stay out of it unless Harbaugh flat out tells Michigan no.. I don't think Ross wants to create any bad feelings with his Alma mater, by being the guy that stole the coach away from them. The coach that could have given Michigan relevance again after a long drought... That would be a tough deal for Ross, don't see him playing that card or fighting to steal Harbaugh from Michigan.. I imagine that is a delicate situation for him, if he really has his eye on Harbaugh in aqua and orange...

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So SF went through all the trouble to court and sign this big name coach. He supposedly turns the team around and now they are going to get rid of him in favor of a GM who couldn't find a decent player at the HOF?

I think it may all be posturing on Harbaugh's part to get a bigger contract (extension) in SF. He did use Miami to negotiate a larger deal, in SF to begin with when he had no intention of signing here.

Chances are he resigns in SF.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> So SF went through all the trouble to court and
> sign this big name coach. He supposedly turns the
> team around and now they are going to get rid of
> him in favor of a GM who couldn't find a decent
> player at the HOF?
>
> I think it may all be posturing on Harbaugh's part
> to get a bigger contract (extension) in SF. He did
> use Miami to negotiate a larger deal, in SF to
> begin with when he had no intention of signing
> here.
>
> Chances are he resigns in SF.

True, he's more than a big enough ASS to do something like that...

But supposedly, his blankie has been "soiled" in 49er land and highly doubtful there's sufficient ass kissing to go around. Therefore, as the most historically accurate poster in these here woods, I doubt there's any chance he coaches in NY next year.

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