Anyone catching your eye that will be available from 12-19? Who would make the biggest impact for us?

I am thinking we need to fortify the lines. that means looking at college OT's who can kick inside in the NFL. I say OT's because they are the athletes needed for this zone scheme. I don't foresee changing schemes if if we have a regime change.

I do foresee a potential switch to a 3-4 defense or hybrid.

Players I am following.....

DEFENSE:

DT Danny Shelton (Was), DT, Eddie Goldman (FSU)
ILB, Benardrick McKinney (Miss St), ILB Denzel Perrymen (Mia)

OFFENSE:

OT, TJ Clemmings (Pit), OT, Ronnie Stanley, (ND) (Zach Martin replacement)
WR, Jaleen Strong (AZ St)

These are just a few of the ones I have read about or seen so far and liked. Haven't gotten too far into it yet.

I am thinking DT and OT in first two rounds.

Jaelen Strong, Duke Williams, La'el Collins, Brandon Scherff, Kevin White, Shaq Thompson, and Marcus Peters are the best potential prospects for the Phins in the 1st.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I like these guys for the Phins in 2015

1. Eddie Goldman DT FSU
2. Perryman ILB UM ** If we stay in the 4-3
2B Arik Armstead DE OR Im trading Wake to the Saints
3. Eric Lefeld T UofCincy
4. David Johnson RB N.IA Like him the way I liked Turner at N D State
5. CB
6. S
7. CB

I would go batshit if we drafted a DT in the 1st.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Why?

Odrick, Mitchell, and Anthony Johnson will be fine. Sign a FA for depth.

Our first round pick has to be an IMMEDIATE impact kind of guy..

Want to know those postions?

Would be eith OL, WR, LB, CB, or TE.

a DT ain't starting over Odrick and Mitchell.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Odrick, Mitchell, and Anthony Johnson will be
> fine. Sign a FA for depth.
>
> Our first round pick has to be an IMMEDIATE impact
> kind of guy..
>
> Want to know those postions?
>
> Would be eith OL, WR, LB, CB, or TE.
>
> a DT ain't starting over Odrick and Mitchell.

I would respectfully disagree.

Odrick still has to be signed. Starks will likely be cut. Odrick is our best DT at the moment. I am not impressed with Mitchell, he is a backup type player IMO, and very undersized. 6'1 295. Saying a DT isn't going to start over Odrick and Mitchell does not compute. Mitchell was a part time player this year and was not good vs the run.

There have been many rookie DT's that have started and been excellent in the past few years that have come from the mid-first and second rounds.

2014: Aaron Donald (1-13) has been the best DT in the NFL this year, Timmy Jernigan (2-16) has been very disruptive.

2013 Sheldon Richardson (1-13), Star Lotulelei (1-14), Kawaan Short (2-12), Sharrif Floyd (1-23), Johnathan Hankins (2-17).

There is no reason we shouldn't be able to find a starting DT who is an improvement over Odrick. Every player mentioned above has been better than Odrick, who is in his 5th year.

Nobody even knows what A. Johnson will offer. He is on IR and had 84 snaps and 3 tackles this year.

I don't see any TE's even projected as 1st round picks. A LB won't do much good if we don't improve the DT position but I would be ok with a LB in the first IF he is a better player than what we could get at DT.

I don't view WR as such a critical need. Sure we could use a big body but I'm not convinced our current group played to their potential this year given the way they were used.

Even with all the injuries in the secondary, it was still a strong point this year. We are 4th in the league is passing yards allowed. Not as big a priority as stopping the run where we are ranked 22nd.

I do think drafting an OT who can also play OG is worthy of a 1st round pick. James will likely start the first half of the season at LT so we need a guy who can play right away at either RT or LT and also kick inside when Albert comes back. That's a tall order for a rookie and why I recommend signing a guy like Orlando Franklin, who is a FA and did that exact thing this year for Denver at a high level.

So DT, OL LB are our biggest needs IMO, in that order.

Yeah, we completely disagree. It's all good. Would be a boring board if everybody agreed.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Not pretty but you build at the lines. We need 2 OL & 2 DL in draft or FA

Try to get Aaron Murray out of KC

I absolutely believe we have holes on the lines. And we need to address them.

I just don't see any DT's on the board, in the range we pick that are homeruns.

But I do see some other positions & players that will be.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I would go with best available guy.

How was Odrick our best tackle?

Odrick has less tackles per snap than MItchell or Starks and less sacks. Based on what is he the best, the eye test?!? Because it certainly isn't production.

I don't see why Odrick should be resigned. We can get his production from Anthony Johnson for far less money.

Denzel Perryman said he met with Dolphins staff today at the Senior Bowl.

We need a MLB, CB, DT and offensive lineman... Which guys are in that wheelhouse for 1st rd, that I should look into and spend time checking out? I haven't spent much time investigating prospects yet... thanks for the guidance in advance...

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thegreathoo Wrote:
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> How was Odrick our best tackle?
>
> Odrick has less tackles per snap than MItchell or
> Starks and less sacks. Based on what is he the
> best, the eye test?!? Because it certainly isn't
> production.
>
> I don't see why Odrick should be resigned. We can
> get his production from Anthony Johnson for far
> less money.

I guess if the number of tackles and sacks is the only factor in determining how a player performed then you would be right.

Do the tackle stats show where the player was tackled?
Do they show if the player fought off a double team to make the tackle?
Do they show who was double teamed so they were free to make the sack?
Do they show missed tackles? How many yards were made by the runner after a missed tackle? Batted passes?
Do they show who was fresher because they only played half the snaps?

Who do you think was playing one-technique while Starks was making those sacks?

You would have to examine a little closer to see that Mitchell and Starks were rotating and played a larger percentage of run snaps.

The problem with the change of personnel this year is that we still ran the same scheme. Meaning two DT's with a 1-technique and a 3-teqnique. The job of the 1 tech is to shoot the gap between the center and the guard, force a double team and create one-on-one situations across the rest of the line. That's where Odrick was most of the time. That's a little out of position for a natural 5 technique.

Jared Odrick 817 snaps, 29 tackles, 1 sack: 305 run snaps, 472 pass
Earl Mitchell 544 snaps, 33 tackles, 2 sacks: 280 run snaps, 240 pass
Randy Starks 543 snaps, 29 tackles, 4.5 sacks: 271 run snaps, 249 pass

Only two DT's in the league had more snaps at DT than Odrick but they were playing at their natural positions. It was Suh and Poe.

You think he might of worn down a bit more than the other two guys?

Great job by the coaching staff BTW. It's a wonder Odrick didn't snap at some point....oh wait, never mind.

And...."get the same production from Anthony Johnson"? You lost all credibility with that statement.

Anthony Johnson was a better DT in college, a better prospect, and will be a better DT for us. Odrick has not done a single thing to warrant 800+ snaps that he played, and now he should not be resigned because he is a situational player, no more. He is no good and easily replaceable.

That's great for an opinion/projection and you have a right to it but...

Better college prospect? Is that based on his 13 career college starts, the fact that every other NFL team passed on him at least 6 times or that he made it as far as IR in his rookie year?

We could sure some help at DT so I hope you're right but there's not a GM in the league who would take that chance. Nobody is banking on Anthony Johnson as a starter. It would be nice and a HUGE bonus if he was able to pull it off but the odds are not good. He needs to put in the work first before we turn him into Jay Ratiff (7th rounder).

Odrick is not an elite player. Never will be but he is a good D-lineman who is also very versatile. He's played 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE, 4-3 DT and 4-3 NT.

He was drafted to be a 3-4 DE. Some team will pay him to be one again but I doubt it will be Miami writing the check.

To say he is no good and easy replaceable is not reality. He was a big part of a damn good line for several years now.

As far as warranting his snaps? Who else was going to take them? Mitchell has never played that much, he has always been a 500 snap guy. Starks is 30 & he hasn't played more than Odrick since 2011 and even then it was only about 70 more snaps. I don't think either one could have played that much if they wanted to. Starks has NEVER played more than 750 snaps and that's when he was in his mid twenties.

Odrick and Starks are probably gone and we probaly sign a FA AND a high draft pick.

Hickey will stick with Mitchell because he JUST signed him but he is not naive enough to bank on Mitchell and Johnson as the starters next year. That would be one (more) long, disappointing season.

AJ will be lucky to make the practice squad next year as we upgrade.

I liked Odrick at DE he consistently stopped the run on his side.

I'd look at these guys...right out of the gate.

Michael Bennet DT
Lael Collins, OT
Shaq Thompson, OLB
Vic Beasley, OLB
Marcus Peters, CB
Marcus Waynes, CB
Jalen Strong, WR
Sammie Coates, WR

Ken Wrote:
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> I'd look at these guys...right out of the gate.
>
> Michael Bennet DT
> Lael Collins, OT
> Shaq Thompson, OLB
> Vic Beasley, OLB
> Marcus Peters, CB
> Marcus Waynes, CB
> Jalen Strong, WR
> Sammie Coates, WR


At 14? Based on multiple preliminary reports, I see...

Michael Bennet DT: undersized at 288 lbs, 2nd round
Lael Collins, OT: Better be a dominant guard at 14
Shaq Thompson, OLB: Why draft a WLB when we have an up and coming WLB?
Vic Beasley, OLB: see above. undersized LB being touted as a 3-4 pass rusher
Marcus Peters, CB: 2nd round grade dismissed from school due to coachability issues. 1st round talent. Not a fit with Philbin.
Marcus Waynes, CB: Is that Trae Waynes?
Jalen Strong, WR: low round 1, round 2
> Sammie Coates, WR: raw route runner with dropsies, round 2



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JoeFootball Wrote:
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> DEFENSE:
>
> DT Danny Shelton (Was), DT, Eddie Goldman (FSU)
> ILB, Benardrick McKinney (Miss St), ILB Denzel
> Perrymen (Mia)

I like your thinking here. At DT Goldman is still a bit raw for me and I dont see much of a difference between him and Odrick in terms of impact. The measurables on Perryman tell me he is a 3rd rounder but the guy makes plays all over the place; he just has a nose for the ball and THAT'S something I don't see enough of from the current group the Dolphins have.

Linebacker is this team's #1 need, but someone like Thompson doesn't feel like the right fit scheme-wise. But if a guy like Shelton slides to the Dolphins...

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'd look at these guys...right out of the gate.
> >
> > Michael Bennet DT
> > Lael Collins, OT
> > Shaq Thompson, OLB
> > Vic Beasley, OLB
> > Marcus Peters, CB
> > Marcus Waynes, CB
> > Jalen Strong, WR
> > Sammie Coates, WR
>
>
> At 14? Based on multiple preliminary reports, I
> see...
>
> Michael Bennet DT: undersized at 288 lbs, 2nd
> round

RE: High motor, great feet, great quickness and body control, can play any position on the DL, Great hands, good vision, consistently penetrates the backfield.


> Lael Collins, OT: Better be a dominant guard at
> 14

RE: Phyisical, great and devistating drive blocker, can play tackle or guard, quick feet, long arms, very quick off the snap, surprisingly quick to the second level and has good body control to adjust to moving targets.

> Shaq Thompson, OLB: Why draft a WLB when we have
> an up and coming WLB?

RE: We need playmakers on defense.

> Vic Beasley, OLB: see above. undersized LB being
> touted as a 3-4 pass rusher

RE: See above.

> Marcus Peters, CB: 2nd round grade dismissed from
> school due to coachability issues. 1st round
> talent. Not a fit with Philbin.

RE: He's got size, ball skills and speed.

> Marcus Waynes, CB: Is that Trae Waynes?
> Jalen Strong, WR: low round 1, round 2
> > Sammie Coates, WR: raw route runner with
> dropsies, round 2

RE: Yes Trae Waynes...my bad.

RE: Jalen Strong...height, size, (6'3/215) body control and leaping ability make him a difficult matchup, runs hard, breaks tackles, good yardage after the catch, quick acceleration, effective vertical threat.

RE: Sammie Coates...Freakish blend of size (6'2/213), speed (reportedly ran a 4.3) and strength, explosive leaping ability, very physical, extends and catches outside frame, the best elite deep threat in college.

thegreathoo Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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>
> AJ will be lucky to make the practice squad next
> year as we upgrade.
>
> Luckily Kacy Rodgers is off the staff.
> Unfortunately, Coyle is staying.
> I think Hickey pulled a miracle getting those two
> studs, Johnson and Coleman in FA. They should
> split Odrick's 800 snaps next year, and watch the
> front improve.

Where do you come up with this stuff? Kacy Rodgers is a very well respected position coach around the NFL. I challenge you to find anyone who says different.

Todd Bowles was one of the best DC's in the league last year at making the most out of a bad situation. Enough to get him a HC job....and he thought enough of Rodgers to name him the new DC.

I'll have to earmark this thread so we can look back on your predictions of these two stud starters coming out of nowhere.

Coleman: I can see the headlines now. Undrafted and cut from lowly Jaguars to Pro Bowl.

That Dline was the worst unit on the team. Kacy Rodgers was the worst positional coach on the team. Moreover, the Dline was full of guys who don't care and underperform. I suppose Rodgers also did not care and underperformed.
Good riddance to that loser!

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Odrick, Mitchell, and Anthony Johnson will be
> fine. Sign a FA for depth...
>
> .
>
> a DT ain't starting over Odrick and Mitchell.


Anyone we sign/draft would start, and be an upgrade for MITCHELL, who was exposed as being DICK-ON-TOAST. ODRICK's a little better, but he's nothing special as well. Didn't you even WATCH our interior DL perform in the last 1/3 of the season??? Even mickey-mouse HBs put up All-Pro numbers against us!!!

MIAMI MUST FIND ANOTHER "BIG PAUL", or be run out of every Stadium it plays in next season! But, first a Question, so I know who I'm dealing with! And it's this: Do ANY of you alleged "DOLFANS" still think that we didn't miss SOLIAI...BAD???!!!???

I do think we missed Paul but I've been saying that for a while now. To expand on that even further, I think he is yet another player in decline (31 yrs old) and I would not have matched the 5 year, 32 mil contract offer (11 mil guaranteed) he got from Atlanta.

They were no better than Miami vs the run this year. And by not much better I am referring to the 21st ranked run defense to our 24th. They also gave up more points on the ground. 27th ranked in points allowed compared to our 20th ranking. That's a difference of 8 rushing TD's.

I may have paid something similar to what Starks got....2 year 10 mil with only 5 guaranteed.

Would we have been better with Paul this year? Yes.

Would Starks have been better playing next to Paul? Yes.

This was just another mess created by Ireland in lack of planning. He knew the age of our DT's and did nothing in past drafts. He knew we needed instant results and gambled on projection and potential.

Instead, giving up two draft picks for Jordan when we could have had Starks' replacement in Sheldon Richardson or Soliai's replacement in Star Lotulelei. That PLUS another player like Kawann Short, Kiko Alonso, Le'Veon Bell or Jonathan Hankins, who had a better year than all of the them. He was drafted in the second round at 49. Ireland gave up 42.

Imagine this defense with Sheldon Richardson at 3 technique and one of the other DT's next to him. That's two PB caliber players for small money that we could be spending on other positions.



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I was sold on Gurley, but the more I watch the videos of different prospects, I want Josh Shaw DB USC at 14. This dude is elite and can play all 4 DB spots at an elite level.
The second guy I am looking at is Donovan Smith OT from PSU. He's a beast, athletic, flexible, strong, at 340 lbs, 6-5. I'd play him at RG.

I feel like if we get those two in rounds on and two, we improve the offense and the defense significantly. That's where I'm at right now.