I got to thinking,

I haven't been around these parts much recently, but what happened to Berkley? Is Ghotirule hanging out anymore?

What about ThunderStunnerAceMia1Gogan?

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"



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Harbaugh is great, yet his team is not going to make the playoffs.

One could say his teams have gotten worse.

He got rid of a Tannehill type QB (Smith) to go with Kapernick; not sure that is a win so far.

If you win last two games that is an improvement to 9-7.

dolphin Wrote:
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> Harbaugh is great, yet his team is not going to
> make the playoffs.


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So what was Don Shula's argument for not making the playoffs?

I guess he has no excuse, right?

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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>
> What about ThunderStunnerAceMia1Gogan?


The retard got erased the hell away from here.

I think Ghotirule "came out" (as they say in West Hollywood) as a poster by a different name. Some might remember.

Berk is still here and has posted in the last few days.

Mia1 got offended in a political thread when he said something about one of his relatives by marriage and someone asked what did that relative think of him.

What happened to Treasure?

re: How good was hickey?

My first was really great. It led to additional capillaries being busted!

No. She didn't ride a pony.

BNF.

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> What happened to Treasure?

You mean your question as an aside, of course.

He isn't any of the personalities above.

Working real hard to uphold law and order, no doubt.

If Harbaugh is so much better than Philbin, why are Harbaugh's 49'ers 7-8, while Philbin's Dolphins are 8-7?

Draft:

Solved a need at tackle. However the quality was not there in the first round. Anytime you reach to fill a need, it is fool's gold. This was an Ireland pick.

So now that he failed to draft a beast in Kelvin Kenjamin in the 1st rd, he got Jarvis Landry in the 2nd. Excellent slot receiver. But he is no KB. He traded down and was able to get Landry in the second, that was an excellent move.

Billy Turner was an excellent pick in the 3rd round. However, we traded up to get him nullifying the good move in the second round. Bad pick management.

Walt Aikens and Terrence Fede were good picks, but nothing spectacular. Lynch, Tripp, Hazel were misses.

Overall, the draft was meh. C-. Just below expectations. We continue to suck at college scouting and picking talent.


Undrafted FA:

We got Anthony Johnson, Chris McCain, Deandre Coleman, De Williams, Da Williams. Those were good gets at important positions. Overall a B+ on UDFA. Exceeded expectations.


FA:

ALbert and Delmas and Finnegan were great gets. Unfortunately none solved anything and did not contribute when it counted. Throw in Moreno there too. College and Shelley Smith and Satele were excellent signings too and they did contribute well. Overall grade is A, far exceeded expectations. Then he got Mitchell and let Satele go, kept Starks. That was an F.
Did not resign Carroll who is young but got Finnegan who is done. An F.


In Season adjustment:

This was a D for me. Failed to find a RT when Albert went down. RJ Stanford was meh. Linebackers kept falling off a cliff, he got Knott and Kelvin Sheppard.



Overall an up and down year for Hickey. More Ireland like than anything. He hit on some things but not enough to improve the team, and had many meh moves and some F moves.

thegreathoo Wrote:
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> Draft:
>
> Solved a need at tackle. However the quality was
> not there in the first round. Anytime you reach
> to fill a need, it is fool's gold. This was an
> Ireland pick.

Disagree. James turned out to be great value. Others said it was a reach but Hickey had him higher and was right. He was B+ at RT and C+ at LT. Started 16 games and will only get better. We also had no choice. We signed one big FA at LT. You can't do both. James outperformed every tackle taken ahead of him. Lewan, Robinson, Mathews. Martin was a right guard.

> So now that he failed to draft a beast in Kelvin
> Kenjamin in the 1st rd, he got Jarvis Landry in
> the 2nd. Excellent slot receiver. But he is no
> KB. He traded down and was able to get Landry in
> the second, that was an excellent move.

Slot receiver, play maker as well as highly ranked kick returner. Landry was 6th in NFL in all purpose yards. Benjamin was 50th. We didn't have a huge need at WR and had the highest paid WR's corp in the NFL.

> Billy Turner was an excellent pick in the 3rd
> round. However, we traded up to get him
> nullifying the good move in the second round. Bad
> pick management.

Excellent pick is yet to be seen.

>
> Walt Aikens and Terrence Fede were good picks, but
> nothing spectacular. Lynch, Tripp, Hazel were
> misses.

Jury still WAY out on all those players.

>
> Overall, the draft was meh. C-. Just below
> expectations. We continue to suck at college
> scouting and picking talent.

Agreed. Nothing special but we still have players to see.

> Undrafted FA:
>
> We got Anthony Johnson, Chris McCain, Deandre
> Coleman, De Williams, Da Williams. Those were
> good gets at important positions. Overall a B+ on
> UDFA. Exceeded expectations.

Good potential but NONE of those players contributed much. Very limited snaps except for Williams.

> FA:
>
> ALbert and Delmas and Finnegan were great gets.
> Unfortunately none solved anything and did not
> contribute when it counted. Throw in Moreno there
> too. College and Shelley Smith and Satele were
> excellent signings too and they did contribute
> well. Overall grade is A, far exceeded
> expectations. Then he got Mitchell and let
> Satele go, kept Starks. That was an F.
> Did not resign Carroll who is young but got
> Finnegan who is done. An F.

I think you meant Soliai, not Satele. Problem was both players (Soliai and Starks were in decline. Soliai is the better run stopper but Starks played at a high level in 2013. Tops in the league. Hard to judge that drop off. Soliai was a part time player.

In hindsight, probably better to stick with Soliai, not sign Mitchell and sign a player like Jay Ratliff or Henry Melton.

I think part of this was on Coyle. He wanted a package with up-field pressure from the middle and sacrificed size to attempt it. Mitchell did not deliver. Don't like the philosophy behind it. need size.
>
>
> In Season adjustment:
>
> This was a D for me. Failed to find a RT when
> Albert went down. RJ Stanford was meh.
> Linebackers kept falling off a cliff, he got Knott
> and Kelvin Sheppard.

And the options were? Don't like Sheppard signing.

> Overall an up and down year for Hickey. More
> Ireland like than anything. He hit on some things
> but not enough to improve the team, and had many
> meh moves and some F moves.

Disagree. No forecasting injuries. Our o-line was a complete makeover and twice the squad of the cluster *$#@ that was 2013. We could actually run the ball and still reduced sacks. Secondary was better. run defense suffered. offense was much better.



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I agree on Oline. That was his best work. This Oline is excellent and should be brought back imo.

The main problem with the Oline was bad personnel decisions. We played Satele, Pouncey, Thomas. That is 3 bad links against strong fronts. Should've been Pouncey at center and Smith at RG, with Fox and Thomas at RT switching snaps to stay fresh, since they are both backups.

The Dolphins have been missing on picks and FA signings for a long time. That is what makes teams like Seattle 7 the Pats stand out. They hit more often on picks and sometimes big on late round or undrafted picks, and don' overpay for average players like Hartline determining there are a bunch of them available cheap


If Harbaugh is so great why did the niners self destruct on his watch?

we need to draft or sign 2 OL & 2 DL at a minimum. teams are built at the lines

jlyell13 Wrote:
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>
>
> If Harbaugh is so great why did the niners self
> destruct on his watch?
>


Self Destruct?

They play an ARZ team on its 4th QB in SF this weekend so they should finish 8-8.

Don Shula, the greatest (or second greatest) HC of all time, posted that many or fewer wins 7 times (not including the strike shortened season).

Harbaugh's greatness or lack thereof is yet to be determined. He's been HC for only 4 years.

History tells us that even a stumblembum like Barry Switzer can win a super bowl when handed a great team, and that even the greatest of coaches have down years.

JC Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
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> -----
> > Don Shula, the greatest (or second greatest) HC
> of
> > all time, posted that many or fewer wins 7
> times
> > (not including the strike shortened season).
> >
> >
>
> I'm nitpicking here, but I only count 5 times not
> including strike-shortened years. This is because
> in 1977 and earlier there was only a 14-game
> regular season.


I've got six seasons with 8 or fewer wins after '77:

'91, '89, '88, '87, '86, & '80

I'm also going to include '76 because despite there have been only 14 games we went only 6-8.


oh, and I know its not a popular position on a Dolphin website, but I'll allow for the argument that Vince Lomardi is the greatest NFL head coach of all time.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> JC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > THE Truth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Don Shula, the greatest (or second greatest)
> HC
> > of
> > > all time, posted that many or fewer wins 7
> > times
> > > (not including the strike shortened season).
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I'm nitpicking here, but I only count 5 times
> not
> > including strike-shortened years. This is
> because
> > in 1977 and earlier there was only a 14-game
> > regular season.
>
>
> I've got six seasons with 8 or fewer wins after
> '77:
>
> '91, '89, '88, '87, '86, & '80
>
> I'm also going to include '76 because despite
> there have been only 14 games we went only 6-8.
>
>
> oh, and I know its not a popular position on a
> Dolphin website, but I'll allow for the argument
> that Vince Lomardi is the greatest NFL head coach
> of all time.


1987 was strike shortened, albeit by only one game.

And Lombardi was great. One of the greatest, most successful, inspiring, all that. Most would agree with you. Only reason I put him behind Shula is his longevity. Vince left this world way before his time---only coached 10 seasons in the NFL. OH yeah, that and I'm a Miami HOMER lol

JC Wrote:
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>
>
> 1987 was strike shortened, albeit by only one
> game.


Yeah...I was torn on that. That's why I used 8 wins at the bench mark instead of .500 or sub .500 seasons.

Even without it, Shula still proves my point.




>
> And Lombardi was great. One of the greatest, most
> successful, inspiring, all that. Most would agree
> with you. Only reason I put him behind Shula is
> his longevity. Vince left this world way before
> his time---only coached 10 seasons in the NFL.
> OH yeah, that and I'm a Miami HOMER lol

I give get the Lombardi argument. 10 seasons, 5 titles. no losing seasons. Worst season was 2 games over .500. Highest winning % of all time.

Its kind of like those who want to call Sandy Kofax the greatest pitcher in MLB history. The body of work wasn't as long as most elite's but it was so spectacular that it doesn't really matter.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> JC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> >
> > 1987 was strike shortened, albeit by only one
> > game.
>
>
> Yeah...I was torn on that. That's why I used 8
> wins at the bench mark instead of .500 or sub .500
> seasons.
>
> Even without it, Shula still proves my point.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > And Lombardi was great. One of the greatest,
> most
> > successful, inspiring, all that. Most would
> agree
> > with you. Only reason I put him behind Shula
> is
> > his longevity. Vince left this world way
> before
> > his time---only coached 10 seasons in the NFL.
>
> > OH yeah, that and I'm a Miami HOMER lol
>
> I give get the Lombardi argument. 10 seasons, 5
> titles. no losing seasons. Worst season was 2
> games over .500. Highest winning % of all time.
>



The five titles in ten years is definitely the most compelling (to me) argument in favor of Lombardi.

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> The Dolphins have been missing on picks and FA
> signings for a long time. That is what makes teams
> like Seattle 7 the Pats stand out. They hit more
> often on picks and sometimes big on late round or
> undrafted picks, and don' overpay for average
> players like Hartline determining there are a
> bunch of them available cheap
>
>
> If Harbaugh is so great why did the niners self
> destruct on his watch?
>
> we need to draft or sign 2 OL & 2 DL at a minimum.
> teams are built at the lines

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When Hartline signed his extension for big bucks, he wasn't an average player; he had just come off of two straight 1,000 yard seasons and was RT's go-to guy.

Did the Niners self-destruct? All teams go thru a slump at one time or another. I don't look at this year's Harbaugh-led team; I look at his first three years. I can't tell you why they self-destructed, but part of it may be due to injuries to their OLine. Also, Kap isn't having the kind of year he had previously; he is just an average QB this year.

I will agree that Miami has to get two more (starting) OLinemen, in any way they can. The defense? Not so sure it is our DLine that needs upgrading; our LBers were the weak link most of the time, IMO.

Let's look at the guys who turned down the Dolphins Job....

Ray Farmer:

Veteran Additions:
RB Ben Tate, WR Andrew Hawkins, WR Miles Austin, WR Nate Burleson, S Donte Whitner.

A swing and a miss!

Draft Picks:
CB Justin Gilbert, QB Johnny Manziel, OT/G Joel Bitonio, ILB Christian Kirksey, RB Terrance West, CB Pierre Desir.

Joel Bitonio was the best pick. Manziel is and will be a flop. Gilbert didn't do much of anything.

Off-season losses: QB Brandon Weeden, QB Jason Campbell, WR Davone Bess, G Shawn Lauvao, G Oniel Cousins, ILB D'Qwell Jackson, CB Chris Owens, S T.J. Ward.

Nick Caserio: Still Bill's flunky

Jason Licht:

Veteran Additions:
QB Josh McCown, TE Brandon Myers, OT Anthony Collins, G/OT Oniel Cousins, C Evan Dietrich-Smith, DE Michael Johnson, DT Clinton McDonald, ILB Dane Fletcher, CB Alterraun Verner, CB Mike Jenkins, S Major Wright.

Draft Picks:
WR Mike Evans, TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, RB Charles Sims, G Kadeem Edwards, OT Kevin Pamphile.

Offseason Losses:
QB Dan Orlovsky, FB Erik Lorig, WR Mike Williams, OT Donald Penn, G Davin Joseph, G Gabe Carimi, C Jeremy Zuttah, C Ted Larsen, OLB Dekoda Watson, OLB Adam Hayward, CB Darrelle Revis.

Don't see much good for the team that is picking #1. Mike Evans is a player but it's sort of hard to miss at 7.

Excellent post Joe. Those guys did worse and Philbin made the right choice of the available options. Injuries ruined the FA signings, which was FO's forte last offseason. They did well together for the most part, injuries notwithstanding.

It will be interesting to see how they attack talent acquisitions this offseason. It's a challenging year considering the state of the defense and the cap situation.

No doubt. The more I look at it the more I realize the only way we are going to be successful is to get 4 players from the 2013 & 2014 draft class to TAKE prominent roles. We will have NO choice but to release many of our current "starters" due to the cap situation. This doesn't even include re-signing some of our own FA's.

That means players like Jordan Tripp, Billy Turner, one of the young CB's, Walt Aikens and Dion Jordan need to EARN starting spots.

In addition to that we will nee 3 players from the 2015 draft to START.

Starters needed: DT, NT, MLB, FS, CB2, NCB, LG, RG, TE

It's going to be an interesting off season a the true test for Hickey. A make or break year to say the least.