I've been told from people close to the locker room, and even by 1 agent directly that Joe Philbin is respected about as much as a shoe within the locker room.

He has no leadership qualities, and the agent told me directly that the players biggest issue is his "lack of fire and passion". The agent told me that the Joe Philbin we see on the sidelines is the exact same Joe Philbin the players get in the lockeroom, very dry, quiet, monotone, and lacks any and all emotion.

Joe Philbin is below .500 as a HC. Not sure what world you guys live in, but for me, that's unacceptable. Say what you want, although their are some roster issues, this team is good enough to win games. The HC is a major problem and simply a mediocre HC.

What does a mediocre HC reflect? A mediocre record.

#JoesGottaGo

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I always shied away from wanting to start over......AGAIN, but after seeing Odrick yelling at him on the sidelines yesterday, that pretty much told me all I need to know about Philbin and the respect the players have for him (I still have a bitter taste in my mouth for what he did in Buffalo at the end of the half, that completely deflated that team). Unless they go 3-0 the rest of the way, I'm waving the white flag.

Who would you like to see Miami target A&O? And what's your thoughts on signing RT17 to the long term deal?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/08/2014 03:18AM by dolphaholic.

I agree with Dolphaholic. I am not one to want to start over again and again. This is two straight years though that the team has not measured up in must win situations.

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> Who would you like to see Miami target A&O? And
> what's your thoughts on signing RT17 to the long
> term deal?


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I think Harbaugh has to be the target. Watch out for Sean Payton, if something happens there, then he vaults to the top of the list, as well.

I would. But it would be a fair deal that is incentive laden. One that doesn't break the bank, and is not a back breaker if he for some reason regresses.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

The bottom line with RT17 is, who out there available is better? Surely not Brian Hoyer. Not any of the rookies.

He's the best we have & the best we could get. Need to fix the OL (still), and need to add a legit #1. Wallace is not, he should be a #2, Landry in the slot.

Hartline can skedaddle. He doesn't fit this offense. I would part ways with Wallace too. But, 2015 is not the year to do that, 2016 is.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Time to start over, because if we dont you can see Patriot nation at the top year after year. Philbin has lost the locker room and its time Ross really makes a bid for Harbough

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Who would you like to see Miami target A&O? And
> > what's your thoughts on signing RT17 to the
> long
> > term deal?
>
>
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> I think Harbaugh has to be the target. Watch out
> for Sean Payton, if something happens there, then
> he vaults to the top of the list, as well.
>
> I would. But it would be a fair deal that is
> incentive laden. One that doesn't break the bank,
> and is not a back breaker if he for some reason
> regresses.

What if Harbaugh costs us our #1 pick? Still your man?

Pats should enjoy their final 3 years of relevancy.

pats fans are getting pretty close to putting all their pats gear back in the closet and pulling back out all their Celtics, Red Sox, and Bruins gear.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

3 years is a long time. We will be at the bottom for another 3 at least.

The phins don't need to do anything with Tannehill at this time.

Let him play out the remainder of his contract and decide then. If we clean house you don't want to saddle the new coach with a QB he didn't pick.

If we get humiliated by NE they should cut the cord on Philbin then.

Maybe Philbin isn't good enough BUT this team is not good enough to be a playoff team either. They are borderline and very close when they are healthy. Given our injuries, we just don't have the depth to overcome them.

Hickey could not fix years of neglect by Ireland in one year. The 2013 draft is a complete waste other that getting lucky on a 4th round LB'er. Hickey found two quality players this year but no one else has really contributed. That makes the score 2 out of 8. Too many years of (Ireland) getting two or three good, above average players and no studs.

Everyone wants to crown Lazor as a guru when the offense does well. When they struggle, they blame Philbin. I don't get it.

We could have made a run had we stayed healthy but we didn't. Doesn't anyone remember the 2008 team when we made the playoffs? We were the healthiest team in the league. That's not a coincidence.

Branden Albert:
Knowshon Moreno:
Cortland Finnegan:
Charles Clay/Arthur Lynch
Michael Thomas
Dannelle Ellerbe
Will Davis
Jamar Taylor
Louis Delmas

You just don't overcome that unless your an established playoff team with years of quality acquisitions.

Philbin should shoulder some of the blame but he is not the end-all, be-all of our problems. His allegiance with players like Colledge and D-Thomas are hurting us. How about the decline of Mike Pouncey at RG, Brian Hartline, Randy Starks?

The decision to put Satele at center was ok at first but the truth is Satele has sucked for 5 weeks straight. Why? because he cannot compete with top defensive linemen and that's what we've faced over the last 5 weeks. (Det, Buf, Den, NYJ, Bal).

Until you get sad-sack players like Dallas Thomas replaced with adequate players, you are screwed. He is practice squad type material at best.

If you want to blame Philbin, I can understand but it's for the bad moves or non moves. Not for every thing that has gone wrong.

No reason he shouldn't have at least tried different variations along the line.

LT James
LG Smith
C Pouncey
RG Turner/Garner
RT Fox/Garner

Look at Denver. They were sucking big time on the line after injuries and they moved everyone until they fixed it and it's not like they had great depth to begin with.

This season is over. The writing has been on the wall since week 10.

That being said, making it this far on the o-line is a hell of an accomplishment when you consider the complete makeover in one year and the utter disarray we are in last season.

Who knows what this team will be next year and who will be in charge? I'm not anxious for a regime change. I'm anxious for the opportunity to build the roster and fill the holes.

DT, OT, OG, LB, FS, CB

You don't have those kinds/numbers of needs if you're a playoff team.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> > dolphaholic Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > Who would you like to see Miami target A&O?
> And
> > > what's your thoughts on signing RT17 to the
> > long
> > > term deal?
> >
> >
> > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
> > I think Harbaugh has to be the target. Watch
> out
> > for Sean Payton, if something happens there,
> then
> > he vaults to the top of the list, as well.
> >
> > I would. But it would be a fair deal that is
> > incentive laden. One that doesn't break the
> bank,
> > and is not a back breaker if he for some reason
> > regresses.
>
> What if Harbaugh costs us our #1 pick? Still your
> man?


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This roster is similar to SF's when Harbaugh took over, matter of fact, they were a terrible, terrible team.

He took them to the NFC Championship in the first year. He has subsequently had them there more & took them to a SB.

Do you think that's worth a 1st round pick? lol

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

why is it Harbaugh is so enticing to some of you? The QB guru's QB is playing like crap, he's pretty much lost his team and he's got the same record this year as the coach you want to replace.

He took over a worse team that the Dolphins and had them in the Conference Championship the very first year..

I would say that is a big reason for the enticement.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

bellacheck is the best coach in the league, bar none

because he's gotten them to the conference champ game and super bowl his first 3 years.

he wants out because he doesn't gave say in personnel.

i'd bet anything he would have rather kept smith and dealt kap. they're a ground and pound team that needs an efficient game manager type qb.

he's proven to be a good coach but I agree about the talent. we don't have much. you look at the first 4 picks in the last 6 drafts you'll be hard pressed to find any difference makers aside from Hickey's top 2 picks.

I agree that it's not all Philbin's fault. You need talent to win but he's the head honcho and the one that'll take the fall. If/when he does he'll leave this team in much better shape than when he took over.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> he wants out because he doesn't gave say in
> personnel.

That scares me. Bill Parcels was a successful head coach and kept moving because he didn't have enough 'control'. If you look at the rest of his career after leaving the Giants (Pats, Jets, Cowboys, Dolphins) his success became inversely proportional to the amount of 'control' he had. Ending of course with the debacle in Miami where he had almost total control of the franchise. Jimmy Johnson comes to mind also.

To be honest I'd rather have Sean Peyton...

It also goes to show how injuries on the o-line can derail a promising QB. San Fran had one of the best lines in football when Keapernick was doing well. Now he has Jonathan Martin starting at RT and a struggling rookie center and they are in the same boat as Miami. Difference being 3/5 of their o-line is still good and their defense is still loaded with talent.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> I think Harbaugh has to be the target.

NOOOO!! He's just another JJ/Parcells. He wants complete control. He'll burn bridges and leave us in ruins!!

If Philbin goes, I'm petitioning for us to promote Lazor to HC.

JoeFootball is so correct with his assessment of Philbin. However, there are more things that add to the mechanics of the failure that this season seems to be leading to. I'm talking about inept in-game play calling, horrible time management, and a general feel that there is a lack of guidance across the board within the leadership ranks of this team.

I've seen cerebral/quiet type of coaches succeed before in the NFL...
so I wouldn't say that its a problem, but those guys that have been successful with that type of personality have done so by earning the admiration of the players in some capacity. I have yet to see that happening on this team during Philbin's three years here.

I watch scores and trends and the psychology of what is going on sometimes and as a result, here is my unusual prediction: The Pats/Fins game will be close. The reason? Belichick wants Philbin to stick around for a few, knowing he has the edge on him in tactics and player management. A close game or even a win will give Ross hope, and we will be stuck with Philbin for a few more years or until Ross sells the team.

If my prediction is off, and Philbin gets canned, sadly it is true that there aren't many good coaches around but if Sean Payton is available..that would be my choice.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> i'd bet anything he would have rather kept smith
> and dealt kap. they're a ground and pound team
> that needs an efficient game manager type qb.

Everything I've ever read is that Kap was Harbaughs choice

I too hate to start over and the injuries have really added up.

Hard to pinpoint where all the issues are exactly, but I know team was playing well before all those set in.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Maybe Philbin isn't good enough BUT this team is
> not good enough to be a playoff team either. They
> are borderline and very close when they are
> healthy. Given our injuries, we just don't have
> the depth to overcome them.
>
> Hickey could not fix years of neglect by Ireland
> in one year. The 2013 draft is a complete waste
> other that getting lucky on a 4th round LB'er.
> Hickey found two quality players this year but no
> one else has really contributed. That makes the
> score 2 out of 8. Too many years of (Ireland)
> getting two or three good, above average players
> and no studs.
>
> Everyone wants to crown Lazor as a guru when the
> offense does well. When they struggle, they blame
> Philbin. I don't get it.
>
> We could have made a run had we stayed healthy but
> we didn't. Doesn't anyone remember the 2008 team
> when we made the playoffs? We were the healthiest
> team in the league. That's not a coincidence.
>
> Branden Albert:
> Knowshon Moreno:
> Cortland Finnegan:
> Charles Clay/Arthur Lynch
> Michael Thomas
> Dannelle Ellerbe
> Will Davis
> Jamar Taylor
> Louis Delmas
>
> You just don't overcome that unless your an
> established playoff team with years of quality
> acquisitions.
>
> Philbin should shoulder some of the blame but he
> is not the end-all, be-all of our problems. His
> allegiance with players like Colledge and D-Thomas
> are hurting us. How about the decline of Mike
> Pouncey at RG, Brian Hartline, Randy Starks?
>
> The decision to put Satele at center was ok at
> first but the truth is Satele has sucked for 5
> weeks straight. Why? because he cannot compete
> with top defensive linemen and that's what we've
> faced over the last 5 weeks. (Det, Buf, Den, NYJ,
> Bal).
>
> Until you get sad-sack players like Dallas Thomas
> replaced with adequate players, you are screwed.
> He is practice squad type material at best.
>
> If you want to blame Philbin, I can understand but
> it's for the bad moves or non moves. Not for every
> thing that has gone wrong.
>
> No reason he shouldn't have at least tried
> different variations along the line.
>
> LT James
> LG Smith
> C Pouncey
> RG Turner/Garner
> RT Fox/Garner
>
> Look at Denver. They were sucking big time on the
> line after injuries and they moved everyone until
> they fixed it and it's not like they had great
> depth to begin with.
>
> This season is over. The writing has been on the
> wall since week 10.
>
> That being said, making it this far on the o-line
> is a hell of an accomplishment when you consider
> the complete makeover in one year and the utter
> disarray we are in last season.
>
> Who knows what this team will be next year and who
> will be in charge? I'm not anxious for a regime
> change. I'm anxious for the opportunity to build
> the roster and fill the holes.
>
> DT, OT, OG, LB, FS, CB
>
> You don't have those kinds/numbers of needs if
> you're a playoff team.


RE: I agree, Philbin should not be replaced. People will blame him to be sure and he does have to shoulder part of the blame but he is not the cause of our woes. Injuries are the #1 reason why we have slipped. As I've said in other threads, we have lost too many players that we simply can't replace. This team is going in the right direction we just need to add more playmaking talent and add more quality depth while keeping the strengths we have already. The best course of action is to do that while keeping the continuity we have. The only coach I would entertain replacing is Coyle at this point...but with someone who is much more agressive.

The only thing I'd do with Philbin if I was Ross would be to tell him this; Don't change Lazor's plays...he runs the offense so allow him to do it.

Starting over isn't the answer, JMO.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/08/2014 06:51AM by Ken.

Yes he mist go. Yes we have had injuries, but I called for him to be fired after Green bay game.

Any coach who gives Rodgers 3 time outs on his final drive is shooting heroin...sorry that showed his lack of game coaching and he continues to give teams time outs ever since!

I'd rather have Wanny than this stooge!

Very hard to figure out. Philpin certainly has issues.

Some game plan stuff is confusing. why not help thomas chip the DE ?

Why blitz but play 7 yards off allowing easy slants?

etc etc

Colonel, a bigger gamble is timing. The problem is that if you fire your coach, the would-be hires have the bargaining power over you, however, if you hang on to your coach without committing whether he will stay, your desired coach might sign elsewhere where the coach has been fired. I don't think there is a right answer.