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> > > > People are blaming this game on the
> > quarterback?
> > >
> > > > lol
> > >
> > >
> > > Its the defense fault. Its not easy going
> > against
> > > a hall of famer.
> >
> > The Rams had zero problems doing it? They have
> a
> > fraction of the talent or so at least we
> thought.
> > So which is it? Injuries? Coaching? Or just
> > average players?
>
> The rams problem isn't on defense. It's at qb
> and oline.
>
> They beat Denver because the game wasn't in
> Denver, because their defense benefited from
> crowd noise and their offense didn't have deal
> with it, and because they have a phenomenal dline
> that doesn't need to blitz to pressure the qb.
>
> Comparing what one team did at home vs what
> another did on the road vs a common opponent is
> just silly.


Sigh.. Again if you can not beat elite teams at home then you do not deserve to be in the playoffs. Damn sure not going to win in Drnver or NE in January.

As William Munney said, "deserve's got nothing to do with it".

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> > > > -----
> > > > > People are blaming this game on the
> > > quarterback?
> > > >
> > > > > lol
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Its the defense fault. Its not easy going
> > > against
> > > > a hall of famer.
> > >
> > > The Rams had zero problems doing it? They
> have
> > a
> > > fraction of the talent or so at least we
> > thought.
> > > So which is it? Injuries? Coaching? Or just
> > > average players?
> >
> > The rams problem isn't on defense. It's at
> qb
> > and oline.
> >
> > They beat Denver because the game wasn't in
> > Denver, because their defense benefited from
> > crowd noise and their offense didn't have deal
> > with it, and because they have a phenomenal
> dline
> > that doesn't need to blitz to pressure the qb.
>
> >
> > Comparing what one team did at home vs what
> > another did on the road vs a common opponent is
> > just silly.
>
>
> Sigh.. Again if you can not beat elite teams at
> home then you do not deserve to be in the
> playoffs. Damn sure not going to win in Drnver or
> NE in January.

Who said that we deserved to be in the playoffs?

We went toe to toe with one of the top teams in the sport in their building, which is one of the best homefield advantages in the sport. There no shame in that. And there's no reason to think we couldn't win there if we had Taylor, finnegan, James and clay healthy.

The losses to GB and at Detroit are far more painful than this one and are why we won't make the playoffs.

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> They beat Denver because the game wasn't in
> Denver

A lot of 'Truth' there lol. You can't discount the home cookin' given to Denver, New England, etc. We got a call or two here and there but:

-3rd and 20 Last Denver drive of the half, DB gets picked, then shoved by receiver, no call, completion, first down...

-Same drive, they have one timeout left and three straight 'tackled in bounds plays' get meaningless, declined penalty calls stopping the clock. Denver scores with seconds left...

- on the much lauded 4th and 2 play in the 3rd Thomas practically tackled Rose right in front of the ref...no call. I've went back and looked several times HOW that dosen't get called is only explained one way...

-2 pt conversion on their 'pull to within 3 score' Welker does what he does best, pick play, sticks out a shoulder and knee as our db passes knocking him to the ground...no call...

-1st qtr, Grimes goes face mask to face mask with receiver after 3rd down incomplete play, gets slapped up side the head and gets called for head butting??? Drive continues, Denver scores...

The pick plays really gripe me, several others went uncalled on critical 3rd downs, Denver and New England run them at will and almost NEVER get called.

You know what's happening with Ref calls that seem to favor NE and the Broncos? It's their reputation for being really good and having the very best QBs.

Ted Williams was baseball's last 400 hitter. He was renowned for knowing balls and strikes. He had great vision everyone believed, whether it was 100% true or not. He received favorable treatment--that is he wasn't challenged. If he didn't swing at it it wasn't a strike. Umps believed that. I saw him play; even had a Ted Williams glove. He was a terrific ball player, and I saw him toward the end of his career.

The other thing I noticed that I've seen them do with Brady, a ref helped Manning to his feet. Let me know when you see that happen with RT or any of the lesser QBs in the NFL. "Rank has its privileges" as they say.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/24/2014 06:01AM by colonel.

Here's our problems as I see them;

1. Kevin Coyle: too conservative in his schemes. I hate that bend but don't break crap and not being agressive on defense...this has not gotten us anything except losses since oh, 1980.

2. No DT's on the team that can rush the passer and push the pocket. All of our QB pressure often comes only from Vernon and Wake who are too easily double teamed and taken out of games.

3. Dominant LB, we don't have one. Not one.

4. OL needs another high quality starter to put it over the top as a group...and no injuries.

5. Big play TE...don't have one. I like Clay mostly and Simms had a good game yesterday and showed some promise but neither one of them is a dominating kind of player.

6. Dominant WR...we have to find one. Landry is doing a really good job and we need the speed of Wallace. However, if we can we have to try and radically upgrade Hartline with a large, fast, physical player.

7. Depth...we don't have enough to account for inuries without major drop off.

8. Injuries...hate to add this one because the players we do have, have to step up. It is however, a factor.

The things that are NOT problems;

1. QB, RT is playing well and he continues to get better...thats all that we could have hoped for really. He's right on the very cusp of greatness.

2. RB, the group we have is good enough to get it done...would I like to see more big plays from them? Sure, but the per carry average is more than good from the group.

3. CB, when healthy we are as good as anyone...that said we need to add some size to the group in the off season.

Dolphins missed 14 tackles yesterday!

we have 43 players under contract next year and are at 141mm.

We aren't going to have a lot of spending money this offseason.

They will make some cuts like they always do
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I see DB as a big need for this team.

Really need a game change LB too

I think the offense can be solid with the game plans. Lazor seems to be getting it,,,,, although I do wonder what happened to running game in 3rd quarter

PFF - Miami Dolphins – Performances of Note

Defensive Line: -20.7

Breakdown: This game started and ended in the trenches. The Broncos came in looking to re-stablish their identity at the line of scrimmage and the Dolphins were simply unable to keep up. Denver quarterback Peyton Manning was only pressured on three of his 36 drop-backs and Miami had no answer for a Denver running game that picked up 201 yards on 35 carries. Seven defensive linemen played at least 10 snaps, with DT Randy Starks posting the lowest grade of the bunch (-5.6) as it was often his gap that was targeted by Denver’s cutback zone running scheme.

Signature Stat: The defensive line managed only one hurry on Manning’s 36 dropbacks.

The 200+ yards rushing I can't explain but HOW do you expect to rush 3 and get ANY pressure against a top offense. It was like a Tom Olivadotti Prevent on MANY OBVIOUS passing downs...

It was sad. The zone defense was just riddled. At what point to you show some nuts and go man to man? Do something anything but the same thing over and over.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> It was sad. The zone defense was just riddled.
> At what point to you show some nuts and go man to
> man? Do something anything but the same thing
> over and over.


He was trying to hide the weaknesses at our 2nd CB and Nickle/Dime slots after Taylor got hurt.

Against a guy like Manning that is impossible. You can blitz, but QB's like that LOVE when you blitz because they get single coverage with CB's that are so far down on your depth chart they were delivering pizzas a week ago. Going that route is suicide.

The other option is to go zone and rush 4 hoping your vaunted DE's get the job done. They didn't, but it was the better option.

No quarterback loves to get blitzed again and again and again and again and if you a touchdown on me...the next time you get the ball, you know what I'll do?...I blitz you again and again and again and again.

I don't care how damn good you are, I have seen every great QB from Griese and Elway and Marino and Johnny Unitas get up from the ground and say "Damn!" and look at his bench like "Can we get someone in here that can block?" Ultimately, it shows in his performance.

But even if not...................

The alternative is to play coverage against a quarterback who can hit the middle of a needle from 50 yards away....and Peyton can.........

The thought process you see expressed in the post immediately above is that of our coaches.

Send in our very expensive 2nd yr "blitzing specialist" Dion Jordan. ........

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Hahahahahahahha! Just because I know how you yourself feel about him.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Send in our very expensive 2nd yr "blitzing
> specialist" Dion Jordan. ........

You must LAUGH to KEEP FROM CRYING about that one. Do you realize, we have only had THREE TOP FIVE picks IN THE LAST 47 YEARS?!?!?! And one of them was this guy He HAS to be THE WORST Dolphin 1st rnd draft pick EVER!!! just due to that fact! WAY worse than Yatil Green, Billy Milner, or even Jake Long at #1 overall. And everyone flamed me when I said pick Eddie Lacy. He would have made more sense then this clown at #3...

The depressing part is that we've had 3 top 5 picks in the last 9 years. Jake Long, Ronnie Brown and Dion Jordan. That's depressing.

Should have been DeMarcus Ware, Branden Albert & Sheldon Richardson/LeVeon Bell or Kiko Alonso.



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ChyrenB I base my assertion of 'Worst Ever' MAINLY on the fact that this goob who has hardly played a down in almost 2 years was drafted #3 OVERALL. You have to go back to our FIRST DRAFT in 1966 and QB Rick Norton to find as highly selected a BUST (#2 Overall managed to start 11 games and win only 1 in 4 years). At least Fletcher PLAYED while he was here and a playing bust at #25 beats a bench rider at #3 any day. That we could have had Brees...yea thats ANOTHER story...

and that "another story" is my point. Not saying Jamar was the worst pick ever or even the worst first round pick ever based on his play. Just saying based on who we passed up.

Sammie smith chren. Thats got to be the worst pick ever.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Sammie smith chren. Thats got to be the worst pick
> ever.

LOL I'd almost forgotten about Sammie... a 6'2'' power back who can't stay out of the snow...

Still, I stand by my choice, at least Smith started and had 1500 yards 15 TD's his first two seasons. A far cry better than the miserable 2 carer sacks and 2 carer passes defended thus far by our second highest draft pick since 1966...



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That's a tough one given the buffoons we have had in personnel.

Worst first round pick nominees....

1996-1999: Any first round pick by Jimmy Johnson.

1996: DT Daryl Gardener ahead of MLB Ray Lewis
1997: WR Yatil Green ahead of QB Jake Plummer or RB Tiki Barber
1998: Traded down and missed Randy Moss and took John Avery.
1999: pick traded away


2001: Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees and Reggie Wayne

2002: traded for Ricky. Could have had Clinton Portis.

2003: traded for Ricky Williams with running backs Willis McGahee and Larry Johnson being picked late in the round as well as TE Dallas Clark and CB Nnamdi Asomugha. Took OLB Eddie Moore over WR Anquan Boldin, DE Osi Umenyiora & TE Jason Witten. CB Asante Samuel is taken 1 pick after the Dolphins traded 4th round pick.

2005: Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers, Matt Roth over WR Vincent Jackson or RB Frank Gore in round three. The Dolphins could have chosen Rodgers at 2, and Gore in round 3.

2006: Jason Allen over Tamba Hali, DeMeco Ryans, Nick Mangold.

2007: Ted Ginn Jr over Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis.

2009: Pat White over LeSean McCoy

2010: Traded (2) second round picks for Brandon Marshall. Traded away the players like Earl Thomas, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, DeMaryius Thomas for Odrick and Misi. Could have had Rob Gronk with the Misi pick.

That's a hell of a lot of star players to miss on!

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> That's a tough one given the buffoons we have had
> in personnel.
>
> Worst first round pick nominees....
>
> 1996-1999: Any first round pick by Jimmy Johnson.
>
> 1996: DT Daryl Gardener ahead of MLB Ray Lewis
> 1997: WR Yatil Green ahead of QB Jake Plummer or
> RB Tiki Barber
> 1998: Traded down and missed Randy Moss and took
> John Avery.
> 1999: pick traded away
>
>
> 2001: Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees and Reggie
> Wayne
>
> 2002: traded for Ricky. Could have had Clinton
> Portis.
>
> 2003: traded for Ricky Williams with running backs
> Willis McGahee and Larry Johnson being picked late
> in the round as well as TE Dallas Clark and CB
> Nnamdi Asomugha. Took OLB Eddie Moore over WR
> Anquan Boldin, DE Osi Umenyiora & TE Jason Witten.
> CB Asante Samuel is taken 1 pick after the
> Dolphins traded 4th round pick.
>
> 2005: Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers, Matt Roth
> over WR Vincent Jackson or RB Frank Gore in round
> three. The Dolphins could have chosen Rodgers at
> 2, and Gore in round 3.
>
> 2006: Jason Allen over Tamba Hali, DeMeco Ryans,
> Nick Mangold.
>
> 2007: Ted Ginn Jr over Patrick Willis and Darrelle
> Revis.
>
> 2009: Pat White over LeSean McCoy
>
> 2010: Traded (2) second round picks for Brandon
> Marshall. Traded away the players like Earl
> Thomas, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, DeMaryius
> Thomas for Odrick and Misi. Could have had Rob
> Gronk with the Misi pick.
>
> That's a hell of a lot of star players to miss on!

TRUE!! ESPECIALLY PAINFUL are those years wehn everyone who knows what first and 10 means KNEW the Dolphins needed a QB and the merry band of idiots running our team were content with Jay Feidler, A.J. Feeley, Chad Henne, etc...

I still think based soley on the position drafted and performance of the player, Jordan will go down as the worst ever. Even if he were a late round 'project' his perfomance so far has been dismal at best.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> That's a tough one given the buffoons we have had
> in personnel.
>
> Worst first round pick nominees....
>
> 1996-1999: Any first round pick by Jimmy Johnson.
>
> 1996: DT Daryl Gardener ahead of MLB Ray Lewis
> 1997: WR Yatil Green ahead of QB Jake Plummer or
> RB Tiki Barber
> 1998: Traded down and missed Randy Moss and took
> John Avery.
> 1999: pick traded away
>
>
> 2001: Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees and Reggie
> Wayne
>
> 2002: traded for Ricky. Could have had Clinton
> Portis.
>
> 2003: traded for Ricky Williams with running backs
> Willis McGahee and Larry Johnson being picked late
> in the round as well as TE Dallas Clark and CB
> Nnamdi Asomugha. Took OLB Eddie Moore over WR
> Anquan Boldin, DE Osi Umenyiora & TE Jason Witten.
> CB Asante Samuel is taken 1 pick after the
> Dolphins traded 4th round pick.
>
> 2005: Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers, Matt Roth
> over WR Vincent Jackson or RB Frank Gore in round
> three. The Dolphins could have chosen Rodgers at
> 2, and Gore in round 3.
>
> 2006: Jason Allen over Tamba Hali, DeMeco Ryans,
> Nick Mangold.
>
> 2007: Ted Ginn Jr over Patrick Willis and Darrelle
> Revis.
>
> 2009: Pat White over LeSean McCoy
>
> 2010: Traded (2) second round picks for Brandon
> Marshall. Traded away the players like Earl
> Thomas, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, DeMaryius
> Thomas for Odrick and Misi. Could have had Rob
> Gronk with the Misi pick.
>
> That's a hell of a lot of star players to miss on!


I add....................traded a second rounder for pro bowler hall of famer Mr feely.

You guys apparently don't remember Eric Kumerow. I would like to forget him as well.

Wow, Joe. It's good that you follow the Drew Brees model and talked about "could have" because it looks so much worse when you put it that way. I thought Brees was the only but you showed me so much more.

Was it a single malt, a blend, or dry wine that caused those picks to happen? Geesh...all big mistakes.

I read somewhere (take that for what it's worth) that Jordan only was in one play on D against the Broncos.